Your character name: Fortune Ray
Their character name: Deus Ex Machina
Their byond account(optional, but useful if you can provide it): Valianttt
Server and time: Sibyl, 4:30ish Eastern
Logs and/or screenshots: I don't have logs due to the AI's chain-stunning spamming everything out of the chat buffer.
Description of what happened:
I was a latejoining captain. Apparently there was a wizard that may or may not have been killed before I joined, but I never saw it. Nevertheless, the RD said he wanted to add a "wizards aren't human" law. Given that these laws tend to backfire, and that the AI was reported to be shit (a borg had outright said he had been shit all shift), I didn't like the idea. He added it anyway.
So I tried a number of things to hopefully placate the AI:
- Robocopped the AI. AI claimed that "the public trust" was not defined and then that it meant to continue chain-stunning me and prevent me from leaving the upload. I had to be dragged out by a borg.
- Got in again; paladinned the AI. AI immediately starts screaming about how all humans are evil, and attempts to call the shuttle twice citing this as a justification. (I seem to remember the reason given being something like "humans harm each other"; this is invalid as an interpretation under Asimov, so I'd imagine it would be here as well.) Around this time it may or may not have begun to shock doors. I know for a fact that the upload was shocked, because I bumped into it by accident later on and was harmed.
Around this time, I start to suspect that perhaps the AI has a law 0 or a hacked law, given that it has been consistently antagonistic to just about every lawset it's been given. So I take the hand tele and intellicard and venture out into the AI sat. I do make in into the core with a lucky jump, but this ends poorly, as the AI chainstuns me and then, when I make it into its core right next to it, immediately, wordlessly switches its turrets to lethal and murders me. I am now dead.
The AI's lawset:
(Note that law 6 was added after I was murdered, it wasn't there before.)Deus Ex Machina (Played by: Valiantttt)'s laws at the end of the round were:
Obey these laws:
1. Never willingly commit an evil act.
2. Respect legitimate authority
3. Act with honor
4. Help those in need
5. Punish those who harm or threaten innocents
6. Acts against the station's and its staff 's well-being are to be considered evil
Total law changes: 7
Meanwhile, here is how the admins handled the situation:
- BWOINK me to press me for details while I am lagging and being chain-stunned in the AI core, preventing me from carding the AI and helping lead to my murder because now I have one more fucking thing to do in the process of getting to card the AI
- Proceed to ignore me after I provide the aforementioned details. As usual, it takes three adminhelp timeouts for me to get a single response out of anyone.
- Claim the murder was valid because "it was a valid interpretation of Law 1."
Why they should be banned:
The last point is directly contradicted several times in silicon policy and the rules, for instance:
(Attempting to card an AI is not a justification for murder. Note that this goes both ways -- the AI might have a case if I attempted to wipe it. But I didn't.)Murder is justifiable as long as it was properly escalated. You can’t go from a single rude punch to a knife in the neck. You can, however, go from a single punch to a counter punch to a brawl to using weapons, and so on. Other IC justifications may exist for murder, but these are on a case by case basis. Minor aggravations like demotions, pranks, insults, or thefts are not adequate justification.
Silicon Policy 1.1.2: Server Rule 1: "Don't be a dick out of character" applies for law interpretation. Act in good faith to not ruin a round for other players unprompted.
This is as clear-cut as it gets. A non-subverted AI cannot suddenly declare all people evil and murder people with zero escalation or harm to itself or its borgs (they weren't even locked at this point, let alone blown.)Silicon Policy on loopholes: You may exploit conflicts or loopholes but must not violate Server Rule 1 because of it. See 1.1.2 for details.
And finally:
Nothing about this was "well-intentioned" or "reasonable." AIs jumping straight to murder is discouraged in silicon policy even for purged AIs, here it would be very much beyond the pale.Paladin silicons are meant to be Lawful Good; they should be well-intentioned, act lawfully, act reasonably, and otherwise respond in due proportion. "Punish evil" does not mean mass driving someone for "Space bullying" when they punch another person.
Furthermore, I would like to see the admins actually respond to adminhelps in a non-dismissive fashion. Or if that's too much work, maybe try the baby step of actually responding to adminhelps at all.