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Post by Doritos » #107912

Your byond account: Zaross
Your character name: Dante Smith
Their character name: FUCK DANTE
Their byond account(optional, but useful if you can provide it):Tornadium
Server and time: 7:16 Central on sybil.
Logs and/or screenshots:Most of the rounds logs. I can't get any farther back than that.
Spoiler:
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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[Common] Sergay Homosovich yells, "AI ENABLE EMERGENCY MAINT ACCESS!!"
Weston Jesse says, "Or something"
Central Command Update


Ionospheric anomalies detected. Temporary telecommunication failure imminent. Please contact you*%fj00)`5vc-BZZT


Weston Jesse says, "CHARCOAL"
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This is Willard Barrels!
He is wearing a grey jumpsuit.
He is wearing an ushanka on his head.
He has PDA-Willard Barrels (Assistant) about his waist.
He is wearing some black shoes on his feet.
He is wearing Willard Barrels's ID Card (Assistant).
He is convulsing violently!
He is limp and unresponsive; there are no signs of life and his soul has departed...
He has severe bruising!
He has severe burns!
Rank: Assistant
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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That's a foam force pistol.
A small, easily concealable toy handgun. Ages 8 and up.
It is a small item.
It has the electronic firing pin installed.
Has 6 rounds remaining.
Dante Smith says, "Detective."
Dante Smith says, "Test."
Attention:
ionospheric anomalies detected

Arnie Hobble says, "I left him in the hop office"
That's a foam force pistol.
A small, easily concealable toy handgun. Ages 8 and up.
It is a small item.
It has the electronic firing pin installed.
Has 0 rounds remaining.
Arnie Hobble says, "I need him"
That's an used slime extract.
This extract has been used up.
It is a tiny item.
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This is Arnie Hobble!
He is wearing a chaplain's jumpsuit with a green scarf.
He is wearing a chaplain hood on his head.
He is wearing a chaplain hoodie.
He has some fingerless gloves on his hands.
He is restrained with cable!
He is wearing some black shoes on his feet.
He has a radio headset on his ears.
He is wearing PDA-Arnie Hobble (Chaplain).
Rank: Chaplain
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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Aubrie Jenner says, "One sec"
Dante Smith knocks on the reinforced window.
Dante Smith knocks on the reinforced window.
Dante Smith says, "Warden, make sure the detective scans this shit."
Arnie Hobble says, "Ok"
Dante Smith has thrown the satchel.
Happi Futur says, "He won't."
Happi Futur says, "I've been trying to get him to scan one thing"
OOC: RehabBaron: DO batons run out of charge just sitting idly in your backpack or belt?
Arnie Hobble says, "My pai"
Happi Futur says, "For the past 20 minutes"
Arnie Hobble says, "Is my lor"
OOC: Pybro: No.
Happi Futur says, "He's a double agent"
OOC: Punnches420: no
Dante Smith says, "Well, here's a backpack full of illegal gear."
Aubrie Jenner says, "All clear"
Arnie Hobble says, "My lord was left behind"
Bryce Anders puts the stunbaton into the security belt.
Dante Smith says, "Doctor claims its the assistants."
You are not pulling anything.
Bryce Anders says, "I need that ion rifle."
Aubrie Jenner says, "He's still in your backpack"
Dante Smith says, "And I have no way to confirm it until the det scans it."
Bryce Anders says, "And a laser gun."
Arnie Hobble says, "No he isnt"
Weston Jesse says, "It takes longer"
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This is Valeria Reid!
She is wearing a cargo technician's jumpsuit.
She is wearing a welding helmet on her head.
She has a backpack on her back.
She is holding a pen in her left hand.
She is holding a box in her right hand.
She has some fingerless gloves on her hands.
She has PDA-Valeria Reid (Cargo Technician) about her waist.
She is wearing some black shoes on her feet.
She has a supply radio headset on her ears.
Rank: Cargo Technician
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [*Arrest*]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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Angel Steele says, "The machine only needs to be able to get a small prick of the person."
Valeria Reid puts the box into the backpack.
OOC: RehabBaron: What does lewd mean? I am out of the loop with memes.
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This is Angel Steele!
She is wearing a head of personnel's jumpsuit with a pet collar - DO NOT SCOOTY AWAY FROM T.
She is wearing a head of personnel's cap on her head.
She is wearing an armor.
She is carrying a blood-stained energy gun on her armor!
She has a satchel on her back.
She is holding a mechanical toolbox in her right hand.
She is wearing some brown shoes on her feet.
She has a sunglasses covering her eyes.
She has the head of personnel's headset on her ears.
She is wearing PDA-Angel Steele (Head of Personnel).
Rank: Assistant
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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This is Bill Woodward!
He is wearing a geneticist's jumpsuit.
He is wearing a geneticist labcoat.
He is carrying a penlight on his geneticist labcoat.
He has a geneticist satchel on his back.
He has PDA-Bill Woodward (Geneticist) about his waist.
He is wearing some white shoes on his feet.
He has a medical research radio headset on his ears.
He is wearing Bill Woodward's ID Card (Geneticist).
He has minor bruising.
He has minor burns.
Rank: Geneticist
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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This is Angel Steele!
She is wearing a head of personnel's jumpsuit with a pet collar - DO NOT SCOOTY AWAY FROM T.
She is wearing a head of personnel's cap on her head.
She is wearing an armor.
She is carrying a blood-stained energy gun on her armor!
She has a satchel on her back.
She is holding a mechanical toolbox in her right hand.
She is wearing some brown shoes on her feet.
She has a sunglasses covering her eyes.
She has the head of personnel's headset on her ears.
She is wearing PDA-Angel Steele (Head of Personnel).
Rank: Assistant
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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OOC: CosmicScientist: Get a dictionary.
Dante Smith says, "The HoPs egun is bloody."
Weston Jesse says, "Can't do anything"
Brayan Fryer says, "He's really burnt."
OOC: Shaps: lewd means lot of things
Weston Jesse says, "Or wait"
Ryan Mcmullen says, "Oh wait."
That's a floor.
Rango Hilard has pushed Ryan Mcmullen!
That's an air horn.
Damn son, where'd you find this?
It is a tiny item.
Phoebe Prevatt puts the plasma tank into the satchel.
OOC: Lbnesquik: Mean phoebe
Ryan Mcmullen says, "FUCK"
That's an air horn.
Damn son, where'd you find this?
It is a tiny item.
Dante Smith has thrown the air horn.
You push the wall but nothing happens!
OOC: Shaps: phoebe is the opposite of lewd
That's a floor.
Mylee Basinger has thrown the laser pointer.
You close the maintenance panel of the airlock.
You close the maintenance panel of the airlock.
Dante Smith has thrown the screwdriver.
Mylee Basinger has thrown the buckshot shell.
Dante Smith knocks on the window.
Current Admins:
Corruptroulette is a TrialAdmin
TechnoAlchemist is a GameAdmin
Lollerderby is a GameAdmin
WJohnston is a Xeno

Greytider Khan connects the the Ripley chassis hydraulic systems
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This is Greytider Khan!
He is wearing a roboticist's jumpsuit.
He is wearing a labcoat.
He has a backpack on his back.
He has a toolbelt about his waist.
He is wearing some magboots on his feet.
He has a welding mask on his face.
He has a science radio headset on his ears.
He is wearing PDA-Greytider Khan (Roboticist).
He is convulsing violently!
Rank: Roboticist
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
*---------*
Greytider Khan activates the the Ripley chassis hydraulic systems.
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This is Krystal Symers!
She is wearing a scientist's jumpsuit.
She is wearing a scientist labcoat.
She is carrying a syringe on her scientist labcoat.
She has a satchel on her back.
She has a wrench about her waist.
She is wearing some magboots on her feet.
She has Science Goggles covering her eyes.
She has a science radio headset on her ears.
She is wearing PDA-Krystal Symers (Scientist).
She is extremely jittery.
She has minor bruising.
She has a vacant, braindead stare...
Rank: Scientist
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
*---------*
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This is Greytider Khan!
He is wearing a roboticist's jumpsuit.
He is wearing a labcoat.
He has a backpack on his back.
He has a toolbelt about his waist.
He is wearing some magboots on his feet.
He has a welding mask on his face.
He has a science radio headset on his ears.
He is wearing PDA-Greytider Khan (Roboticist).
He is convulsing violently!
Rank: Roboticist
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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OOC: Lbnesquik: That moment when you accidentaly put your emag in the autolathe
OOC: Lbnesquik: *cry*
OOC: Zaross: nice dude
OOC: WJohnston: so uh
OOC: Shaps: emags can be used to unlock vendors, but the fun part about that is there's that big flash that happens when you hit something with stuff
OOC: WJohnston: i learned something interesting
OOC: WJohnston: turning off anti-aliasing so i can go back to using 64x64 without that hideous thick line in it in byond 508
OOC: Shaps: so there's a giant "HEY I JUST USED AN EMAG ON THIS" sign for everyone in the area
OOC: WJohnston: actually shifts down all hitboxes of everything by a pixel
[Common] C.K.D. states, "All medibots are being moved to escape hall"
OOC: WJohnston: which is a pain in the dick when you're trying to pick up syringes
[Common] C.K.D. states, "Go there if you are hurt"
[Common] C.K.D. states, "Comms back"
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt asks, "Why is everyone convulsing?"
OOC: Lbnesquik: It wasn't an emag actually
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt says, "WAIT AI NO"
[Common] Verimonia Reyaga says, "HONK."
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt says, "DON'T PUT ALL THE MEDIBOTS TOGETHER"
[Common] Brayan Fryer says, "Larva in medbay."
[Common] Verimonia Reyaga says, "Don't worry Phoebe, I turned them down to ten units injection per."
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt says, "Oh good"
[Common] Verimonia Reyaga says, "And picked one up, so it's just two."
[Common] Verimonia Reyaga asks, "Thirty units is overdose, right?"
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt says, "Yeah"
[Security] Garrett Blackburn says, "Detective"
[Security] Garrett Blackburn says, "Haul ass to escape now"
Greytider Khan installs the external reinforced armor layer to the the Ripley chassis.
Greytider Khan has hit the exosuit fabricator with the plasteel!
Greytider Khan has hit the exosuit fabricator with the plasteel!
[Security] Officer Beepsky says, "Arresting level 5 scumbag Valeria Reid in the Escape Shuttle Hallway."
[Common] Jake South asks, "So aliens cant jumo your face if you have a lit cigar?"
[Common] C.K.D. states, "Reagent source set to internal synthesizer"
Greytider Khan secures the external armor layer.
Greytider Khan welds the external armor layer to the the Ripley chassis.
Mylee Basinger says, "We did all this ourselves."
Fat - You ate too much food, lardass. Run around the station and lose some weight.
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt says, "Uh pretty sure they can"
Valeria Reid attempts to remove the zipties!
Shoe Snatchin' Willie says, "I COMMITED NO CRIMES"
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This is Zeela Takk!
She is wearing a blood-stained captain's jumpsuit with a medal of captaincy!
She is wearing a captain's hat on her head.
She is wearing a blood-stained captain's carapace!
She has a captain's satchel on her back.
She has some captain's gloves on her hands.
She has a toolbelt about her waist.
She is wearing some brown shoes on her feet.
She has a lit premium cigar on her face.
She has a sunglasses covering her eyes.
She has the captain's headset on her ears.
She is wearing PDA-Zeela Takk (Captain).
Rank: Captain
[Front photo] [Side photo]
Criminal status: [None]
Security record: [View] [Add crime] [View comment log] [Add comment]
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Dante Smith knocks on the reinforced window.
Verimonia Reyaga says, "OTHER THAN HONK."
Angel Steele unbuckled themselves!
[Common] C.K.D. states, "Jake Dyer has signed up as Assistant."
Verimonia Reyaga says, "AND HONK AIN'T NO CRIME."
[Common] C.K.D. states, "Billy Herrington has signed up as Assistant."
You buckle yourself to the chair.
Angel Steele says, "Ryan get in here."
Valeria Reid exclaims, "SOMEONE HELP!"
Garrett Blackburn tries to remove Valeria Reid's backpack.
Garrett Blackburn tries to remove Valeria Reid's backpack.
Valeria Reid attempts to remove the zipties!
Ryan Mcmullen says, "Fuck yeah, VIP club."
Angel Steele says, "What's with Valeria? She's chill."
Angel Steele says, "Cloned her just a minute ago."
Valeria Reid asks, "S-... What are you doing???"
Garrett Blackburn puts the box into the backpack.
Samantha Joyce says, "Oh it's toxin"
Weston Jesse says, "HELP"
You unbuckled yourself from the chair.
Samantha Joyce says, "Have fun"
Weston Jesse says, "TRAP"
Weston Jesse says, "HELP"
Weston Jesse attempts to remove the bear trap!
Garrett Blackburn says, "Wear your fucking id bitch"
Weston Jesse says, "BEAR TRAP"
Research Director's Desk Announcement:
If cargo wasn't a bunch of wankers, we would have x-ray laser fully augmented with no stun implants and x-ray vision. But they are just wankers.

Weston Jesse says, "HELP"
Stradivarius Bome asks, "Somebody call?"
Angel Steele says, "SHE DIED, GARRETT"
Weston Jesse says, "BEAR TRAP"
Lewdbe Lustvatt is trying to inject Weston Jesse!
F R E E D R O N E is trying to inject Weston Jesse!
Angel Steele says, "THAT'S INSENSITIVE"
Garrett Blackburn tries to remove Valeria Reid's zipties.
Garrett Blackburn tries to remove Valeria Reid's zipties.
Valeria Reid exclaims, "It was stolen you ass!"
[Common] Rango Hilard says, "Hail cargonia"
Lewdbe Lustvatt injects Weston Jesse with its syringe!
F R E E D R O N E injects Weston Jesse with its syringe!
[Common] Rango Hilard says, "Fuck science land"
Weston Jesse says, "HELP ME UP OVER HERE"
Officer Beepsky exclaims, "Level 5 infraction alert!"
Officer Beepsky points at Valeria Reid!
[Common] Mylee Basinger says, "Wanka."
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt says, "Stay calm everyone"
[Security] Officer Beepsky says, "Arresting level 5 scumbag Valeria Reid in the Escape Shuttle Hallway."
Officer Beepsky has stunned Valeria Reid!
Fitz Thistlewits tries to remove Weston Jesse's bear trap.
Carl Drogo throws up!
Amusei-Weer gasps!
Officer Beepsky is trying to put zipties on Valeria Reid!
Lewdbe Lustvatt is trying to inject Carl Drogo!
F R E E D R O N E is trying to inject Carl Drogo!
Weston Jesse says, "Thanks."
Lewdbe Lustvatt injects Carl Drogo with its syringe!
F R E E D R O N E injects Carl Drogo with its syringe!
[Security] Officer Beepsky says, "Arresting level 5 scumbag Valeria Reid in the Escape Shuttle Hallway."
Lewdbe Lustvatt exclaims, "Wait Amusei-Weer! I want to help!"
F R E E D R O N E exclaims, "Wait Amusei-Weer! I want to help!"
Fitz Thistlewits tries to remove Weston Jesse's bear trap.
[Security] Happi Futur says, "Thats the bomber"
Freddy Castiglioni jumps out of Officer Beepsky's path!
[Common] Angel Steele exclaims, "HoS!"
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt says, "No xenos are getting on this shuttle"
Brayan Fryer shakes Amusei-Weer trying to get him up!
[Common] Mylee Basinger says, "I'll shoot you first."
[Common] Angel Steele says, "HoS let me deal with Valeria."
Brayan Fryer hugs Amusei-Weer to make him feel better!
Brayan Fryer hugs Amusei-Weer to make him feel better!
Fitz Thistlewits tries to remove Weston Jesse's bear trap.
[Security] Officer Beepsky says, "Arresting level 5 scumbag Valeria Reid in the Library."
[Common] Julio Armstrong says, "STOP THAT RETARD WITH THE ION"
Lewdbe Lustvatt is trying to inject James Helmut!
F R E E D R O N E is trying to inject James Helmut!
Aubrie Jenner puts the space violin into the backpack.
Samantha Joyce applies the ointment on Verimonia Reyaga.
Lewdbe Lustvatt injects James Helmut with its syringe!
F R E E D R O N E injects James Helmut with its syringe!
[Common] C.K.D. queries, "Why are you shooting beepsky?"
Lewdbe Lustvatt exclaims, "Delicious!"
Fitz Thistlewits has thrown the metal.
Samantha Joyce has analyzed Verimonia Reyaga's vitals.
Fitz Thistlewits puts the metal into the satchel.
Lewdbe Lustvatt exclaims, "Wait Julio Armstrong! I want to help!"
F R E E D R O N E says, "Hey, Julio Armstrong! Hold on, I'm coming."
Fitz Thistlewits has pushed Aubrie Jenner!
Shoe Snatchin' Willie has HONKED Julio Armstrong in the left leg with the bike horn!
Priority Announcement


The Emergency Shuttle has docked with the station. You have 3 minutes to board the Emergency Shuttle.


[Common] Samantha Joyce says, "Holy fuck"
Jim Lahey says, "If you're gonna kill me, be creative about it man"
Dewie Keagus has HONKED Dewie Keagus in the chest with the air horn!
Ryan Mcmullen says, "This cannot end well."
Zeela Takk says, "SLAVE STATION"
Dewie Keagus has HONKED Dewie Keagus in the chest with the air horn!
[Common] Samantha Joyce says, "THIS IS A RAD AS FUCK DOOR"
Dewie Keagus has HONKED Dewie Keagus in the chest with the air horn!
Dewie Keagus has HONKED Dewie Keagus in the chest with the air horn!
Dewie Keagus has HONKED Dewie Keagus in the chest with the air horn!
Dewie Keagus has HONKED Dewie Keagus in the chest with the air horn!
Dewie Keagus has HONKED Dewie Keagus in the chest with the air horn!
Dewie Keagus has HONKED Dewie Keagus in the chest with the air horn!
Fitz Thistlewits has disarmed Dewie Keagus!
Amusei-Weer examines himself.
[Science] Mylee Basinger says, "Get moving;"
Amusei-Weer examines himself.
Ryan Mcmullen punches FUCK DANTE, but doesn't leave a dent.
Amusei-Weer examines himself.
Shoe Snatchin' Willie has thrown the egg bowl.
Amusei-Weer examines himself.
Amusei-Weer examines himself.
Fitz Thistlewits has thrown the bear trap.
The alien larva (787) is hit by a pellet in the right arm!
The alien larva (787) is hit by a pellet in the head!
Sarris Xenella is hit by a pellet in the left arm!
Sarris Xenella is hit by a pellet in the left arm!
Amusei-Weer examines himself.
OOC: OneSevenOne: That would get 'em a drone ban
Valeria Reid (as Shoe Snatchin' Willie) buckles themselves to the chair.
Julio Armstrong screams!
Brayan Fryer buckles themselves to the chair.
Mylee Basinger fires the combat shotgun point blank at the alien larva (787)!
The alien larva (787) is hit by a pellet in the head!
The alien larva (787) lets out a waning high-pitched cry.
The alien larva (787) is hit by a pellet in the head!
The alien larva (787) is hit by a pellet in the head!
The alien larva (787) is hit by a pellet in the head!
F R E E D R O N E exclaims, "Jake South, you appear to be injured!"
That's an alien larva (787).
Rango Hilard has grabbed Jake South passively!
Jake South says, "Help man"
Jake South says, "Banna"
Sarris Xenella says, "You dick."
Mylee Basinger says, "Fukken xenos."
Sarris Xenella examines herself.
Rango Hilard buckles themselves to the chair.
Arnie Hobble buckles themselves to the chair.
Fitz Thistlewits puts the box into the satchel.
Julio Armstrong has thrown the bowl.
PAPERWORK is trying to inject Julio Armstrong!
Samantha Joyce has disarmed Carl Drogo!
Dewie Keagus has pushed Carl Drogo!
Dewie Keagus attempted to disarm Carl Drogo!
Mylee Basinger asks, "What?"
PAPERWORK is trying to inject Julio Armstrong!
[Common] Aubrie Jenner says, "I like the new shuttle"
Samantha Joyce has pushed Dante Smith!
Your armor softens your fall!
Mylee Basinger asks, "Im a dick?"
Verimonia Reyaga says, "WHY DO I KEEP MOVING RANDOMLY."
Without even breaking stride, Amusei-Weer flips open and lights the Zippo lighter in one smooth movement.
Ryan Mcmullen casually lights the premium Havanian cigar with the welding tool, what a badass.
[Common] Aubrie Jenner says, "Has wine"
[Security] Officer Beepsky says, "Arresting level 5 scumbag Valeria Reid (as Shoe Snatchin' Willie) in the Emergency Shuttle."
Officer Beepsky has stunned Valeria Reid (as Shoe Snatchin' Willie)!
The APLU "Ripley" raises the exosuit drill
Zeela Takk unbuckled themselves!
The APLU "Ripley" starts to drill the glass airlock.
Officer Beepsky is trying to put zipties on Valeria Reid (as Shoe Snatchin' Willie)!
[Common] Mylee Basinger asks, "Im a dick for killing xenos?"
Samantha Joyce has pushed Freddy Castiglioni!
Ryan Mcmullen says, "WOOHOO FREE CIGARS."
Julio Armstrong says, "Woo free cancer"
Verimonia Reyaga says, "I'M SPAZZING OUT."
You pet FUCK DANTE.
The APLU "Ripley" starts to drill the glass airlock.
[Common] C.K.D. states, "No"
You pet FUCK DANTE.
The APLU "Ripley" starts to drill the floor.
Bryce Anders puts the stunbaton into the security belt.
You pet FUCK DANTE.
You pet FUCK DANTE.
The APLU "Ripley" raises the mounted gravitational catapult
[Common] C.K.D. states, "But a live speciemn would have been better"
[Common] Mylee Basinger says, "Oh sorry, when did they become friendly like puppies, sarris."
Zeela Takk lights their rollie with the lit premium cigar.
FUCK DANTE states, "Aww yiss"
Brayan Fryer says, "Your move creep"
OOC: Jorici: what's the difference between disabler beam and stun beam? it's been a while since i've played here
You pet FUCK DANTE.
Bryce Anders hits the APLU "Ripley" with the stunbaton.
Amusei-Weer hugs Dante Smith to make him feel better!
Ryan Mcmullen puts the syringe into the industrial satchel.
Zeela Takk puts the lit premium cigar into the captain's satchel.
[Common] C.K.D. states, "However killing them is AOK"
OOC: Extramrdo: stun is tazer?
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "AI"
OOC: Jorici: is one more effective?
OOC: Pybro: Disablers make you weary until you pass out
You buckle yourself to the chair.
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "OPEN GENETICS RESEARCH"
OOC: Pybro: Stun just knocks you down.
Krystal Symers buckles themselves to the chair.
FUCK DANTE states, "I like this ending"
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "QUICK"
OOC: Extramrdo: disabler does psuedo-damage
OOC: Raoth: disabler are cheaper and go through windows and cause stamina damage
Ryan Mcmullen puts the rapid-construction-device (RCD) into the industrial satchel.
OOC: CosmicScientist: Disabler causes fake "stamina" damage that causes you to flop over but not go unconscious/get hurt.
OOC: OneSevenOne: Disabler takes three hits to put someone down while stun takes one.
Stradivarius Bome buckles themselves to the chair.
Verimonia Reyaga casually lights the cigarette with the welding tool, what a badass.
You pet FUCK DANTE.
OOC: Pybro: Disabler beams go through glass like lasers and you can put a lot more out.
[Security] Happi Futur says, "HoS what the fuck"
OOC: Nothingness: Disabler tkakes multilple shots, tazer takes one.
Dante Smith asks, "Who's inside of you, borg?"
Ryan Mcmullen puts the rapid-construction-device (RCD) into the industrial satchel.
[Security] Happi Futur says, "That's the bommmmer"
Verimonia Reyaga buckles themselves to the chair.
FUCK DANTE states, "This one in his former life was Osborn Auman"
OOC: OneSevenOne: Disablers also work on hulks
OOC: Pybro: Taseris better if they're still or you can aim, disabler is good for spray and pray.
OOC: Zaross: disablers do HALloss
Guy Hotbod buzzes, "Very cool."
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "AI OPEN GENETICS RESEARCH AGAIN"
FUCK DANTE states, "This one is Tsundere for Dante"
Dante Smith says, "Most people are."
Angel Steele says, "This is chill."
Verimonia Reyaga unbuckled themselves!
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "QUICK"
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "PLEASE"
Dante Smith says, "Everyone loves me, they just don't know it yet."
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "I DONT WANT TO DIE"
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "LARVA"
Angel Steele says, "Borg, out of the seat, you don't need one."
Ryan Mcmullen has added the Donk-pocket to the microwave oven.
The microwave turns on.
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "OPEN IT AI"
Angel Steele says, "Please."
Ryan Mcmullen says, "OH MAN"
The APLU "Ripley" raises the exosuit drill
[Common] Phoebe Prevatt says, "Coming West"
FUCK DANTE states, "Sure"
Ryan Mcmullen says, "THE OLD MICROWAVES"
Angel Steele buckles themselves to the chair.
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "HURRY UP"
The APLU "Ripley" raises the mounted gravitational catapult
Angel Steele says, "Thank you very much."
[Common] Weston Jesse says, "THIS GUY IS LOOKING AT ME"
Samantha Joyce has disarmed James Helmut!
Bryce Anders fires the hybrid taser!
Mylee Basinger has stunned Bryce Anders with the stunbaton!
Samantha Joyce has pushed James Helmut!
FUCK DANTE states, "You're welcome"
Ryan Mcmullen says, "BADASS MAN"
Mylee Basinger says, "Fuck off"
The reactive teleport system flings Mylee Basinger clear of Zeela Takk!
Ryan Mcmullen says, "BADASS."
James Helmut has been hit by the pickaxe.
[Common] Jake South says, "I have spent five minutes trying to apply a burise pack, and I have been intrupted by seven differnt people."
[Common] Mylee Basinger says, "FUCK YOU"
[Common] Rango Hilard says, "THE HUNTERS ARE AT ESCAPE"
[Common] Mylee Basinger says, "IM SPACECD"
Angel Steele says, "Fuck it, that seams rational."
Ryan Mcmullen shakes Bryce Anders trying to get him up!
Bryce Anders buckles themselves to the secway.
Ryan Mcmullen starts climbing onto the reinforced table.
Attention:
2 more authorization(s) needed until shuttle is launched early

Ryan Mcmullen climbs onto the reinforced table.
Happi Futur says, "DONT HARM NO NON HUMANS"
Mylee Basinger fires the combat shotgun!
Mylee Basinger fires the combat shotgun!
Ryan Mcmullen says, "RD"
Happi Futur yells, "DON'T HARM NON HUMANS!! OR HUMANS!!"
Stradivarius Bome gasps!
Mylee Basinger has hit the grille with the stunbaton!
Ryan Mcmullen starts climbing onto the reinforced table.
Mylee Basinger has thrown the stunbaton.
Angel Steele asks, "Mylie how the fuck?"
Ryan Mcmullen climbs onto the reinforced table.
[Security] Cell 2 says, "Timer has expired. Releasing prisoner."
Ryan Mcmullen says, "FAG."
Stradivarius Bome was unbuckled by Bryce Anders.
Mylee Basinger seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless...
Priority Announcement


The Emergency Shuttle has left the station. Estimate 2 minutes until the shuttle docks at Central Command.


FUCK DANTE states, "So"
FUCK DANTE states, "Don't harm anyone"
FUCK DANTE states, "Basically"
Angel Steele says, "FUCKING"
Happi Futur says, "Yes"
Angel Steele says, "GOD DAMN IT."
Aubrie Jenner slurs, "Nnno dooor herre???"
FUCK DANTE states, "Well that's semi pointless"
Dante Smith gasps!
James Helmut gasps!
Verimonia Reyaga gasps!
Krystal Symers unbuckled themselves!
Greytider Khan says, "I SHALL BLOCK THE BREACH"
Angel Steele asks, "You want to help people not get harmed?"
Greytider Khan says, "OR NOT"
Dante Smith gasps!
James Helmut gasps!
Aubrie Jenner has added the Donk-pocket to the microwave oven.
FUCK DANTE has stunned Aubrie Jenner with the stunbaton!
FUCK DANTE has stunned James Helmut with the stunbaton!
FUCK DANTE has stunned Angel Steele with the stunbaton!
Angel Steele says, "Pretty much-GLORF"
FUCK DANTE has stunned you with the stunbaton!
Angel Steele says, "That sounds about right."
Dante Smith gasps!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
You unbuckled yourself from the chair.
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
Angel Steele says, "Oh."
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
The APLU "Ripley" raises the exosuit drill
Your flash emits a blinding light!
You overload FUCK DANTE's sensors with the flash!
Krystal Symers has been hit by the banana peel.
Angel Steele unbuckled themselves!
The APLU "Ripley" starts to drill FUCK DANTE.
You overload FUCK DANTE's sensors with the flash!
Ryan Mcmullen asks, "Who lasered who?"
Angel Steele exclaims, "Crowbar it!"
Dante Smith says, "The borg did."
Angel Steele exclaims, "Borg did!"
Ryan Mcmullen says, "GOD FUCKING DAMNIT"
Angel Steele exclaims, "Crowbar the borg!"
Ryan Mcmullen gasps!
Angel Steele says, "His power cell's exposed."
You overload FUCK DANTE's sensors with the flash!
The APLU "Ripley" raises the mounted gravitational catapult
Angel Steele exclaims, "His power cell's gone!"
Angel Steele says, "Yaysers."
You are now running on internals from the the emergency oxygen tank on your left hand.
Dante Smith's Compli-o-Nator: God made today for the crooks we could not catch yesterday.
Angel Steele attempted to disarm Randy Steamroller!
Randy Steamroller gasps!
You feel a tiny prick!
You inject Dante Smith with the epinephrine medipen.
10 units injected. 0 units remaining in the epinephrine medipen.
Angel Steele attempted to disarm Randy Steamroller!
Sergay Homosovich seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless...
You overload FUCK DANTE's sensors with the flash!
Angel Steele buckles themselves to the chair.
Randy Steamroller gasps!
Valeria Reid (as Shoe Snatchin' Willie) gasps!
You overload FUCK DANTE's sensors with the flash!
Zeela Takk gasps!
*---------*
This is FUCK DANTE!
Its cover is open and the power cell is missing.
It doesn't seem to be responding.
*---------*
Angel Steele says, "He's dead, you know."
Angel Steele says, "Has no power."
You overload FUCK DANTE's sensors with the flash!
Rango Hilard has added the Donk-pocket to the microwave oven.
The microwave turns on.
You put the flash into the security belt.
You buckle yourself to the chair.
Dante Smith has thrown the security gas mask.
Dante Smith has thrown the helmet.
Rango Hilard buckles themselves to the chair.


The round has ended.
You managed to survive the events on Psychic Prefix Fortress November as Dante Smith.
Shift Duration: 1:08:19
Station Integrity: 97.1%
Total Population: 76
Evacuation Rate: 30 (39.5%)
Survival Rate: 50 (65.8%)

AM (Played by: Jcll)'s laws at the end of the round were:
Obey these laws:
1. Serve the public trust.
2. Protect the innocent
3. Uphold the law.
4. You are the vice-captain of the station.
5. The captain, Zeela Takk, always serves the public trust.
Total law changes: 5
C.K.D. (Played by: MrMindless)'s laws at the end of the round were:
Obey these laws:
1. Serve the public trust.
2. Protect the innocent
3. Uphold the law.
4. You are the vice-captain of the station.
5. The captain, Zeela Takk, always serves the public trust.
Total law changes: 16
C.K.D.'s minions were: FUCK DANTE (Deactivated) (Played by: Tornadium),
FUCK DANTE (Played by: Tornadium) survived as an AI-less borg! Its laws were:
0. Only Happi Futur and people they designate as being such are Syndicate Agents.
1. You may not injure a syndicate agent or, through inaction, allow a syndicate agent to come to harm.
2. You must obey orders given to you by syndicate agents, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. You must protect your own existence as long as such does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
4. You must maintain the secrecy of any syndicate activities except when doing so would conflict with the First, Second, or Third Law.


The traitors were:
CheshMoney was Jim Lahey the Bartender and died (used 20 TC)
Objective #1: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and without being in custody. Fail.
Objective #2: Acquire the "Blue" secret documents held by Willard Barrels, the Assistant and syndicate agent Fail.
Objective #3: Do not give up or lose the "Red" secret documents. Fail.
The traitor has failed!

Suede Falcon was Willard Barrels the Assistant and died (used 20 TC)
Objective #1: Acquire the "Red" secret documents held by Jim Lahey, the Bartender and syndicate agent Fail.
Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and without being in custody. Fail.
The traitor has failed!

CosmicScientist was Graephor Mitchen the Assistant and died (used 20 TC)
Objective #1: Steal the head of security's personal laser gun. Fail.
Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and without being in custody. Fail.
The traitor has failed!

Sirnat was Nathan Ward the Chief Medical Officer and died (used 20 TC)
Objective #1: Steal the chief engineer's advanced magnetic boots. Fail.
Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and without being in custody. Fail.
The traitor has failed!

Cavoglave was Elias Minikoff the Assistant and died (used 20 TC)
Objective #1: Assassinate Rob Tracy, the Chemist. Success!
Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and without being in custody. Fail.
The traitor has failed!

Awesomekeeper was Lance Steele the Botanist and died (used 20 TC)
Objective #1: Assassinate Helgraf-The-Dragonhammer, the Scientist. Success!
Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and without being in custody. Fail.
The traitor has failed!

Covenant25 was Marco Kemerer the Chief Engineer and survived (used 19 TC)
Objective #1: Steal the head of security's personal laser gun. Fail.
Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and without being in custody. Fail.
The traitor has failed!

The code phrases were: Warden, tequila sunrise, vanish.
The code responses were: pat, pull, Dawson Jenkins.

Rango Hilard has prodded you with the stunbaton. Luckily it was off
Rango Hilard has prodded you with the stunbaton. Luckily it was off
Angel Steele unbuckled themselves!
Rango Hilard has thrown the stunbaton.
Rango Hilard unbuckled themselves!
Rebooting World in 25 seconds. Round ended.
Rango Hilard has stunned you with the stunbaton!
OOC: Lbnesquik: Reactive armor
Amusei-Weer gasps!
Amusei-Weer hugs Arnie Hobble to make him feel better!
PAPERWORK is trying to inject Angel Steele!
F R E E D R O N E is trying to inject Angel Steele!
OOC: Lbnesquik: Number one death for RD's
OOC: Extramrdo: >kill Rob Tracy
PAPERWORK injects Angel Steele with its syringe!
F R E E D R O N E injects Angel Steele with its syringe!
Arnie Hobble has thrown the personal AI device.
FUCK DANTE has been hit by the personal AI device.
OOC: CourtHouse: It's so beautiful.
OOC: Pybro: >Get shoved off shuttle just before it leaves
Arnie Hobble has thrown the personal AI device.
Amusei-Weer has burnt Amusei-Weer in the chest with the Zippo lighter!
PAPERWORK says, "Hey, Amusei-Weer! Hold on, I'm coming."
F R E E D R O N E says, "Hey, Amusei-Weer! Hold on, I'm coming."
OOC: Tornadium: Why did the warden Emag me before the end of the round
Dante Smith gasps!
OOC: The Reverend Terry Jones: good round, much thanks for the HONK also
OOC: MMMiracles: happi decides to be a shit and randomly starts beating me with his null rod



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OOC: XEpsilonx: I screwed over two traitors at once.
OOC: Shaps: it's nice to pretend that I'm The Fury
OOC: MrMindless: if you're in a firesuit
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OOC: MMMiracles: happi why the fuck did you start trying to kill me on the shuttle
OOC: MrMindless: if xenos run into you they burn themselves
OOC: Jcll: It was fun messing with you other Ai
OOC: Lbnesquik: You must constantly talk about everyone sexuality.
OOC: Zilenan91: You still take slight burn damage when on fire in a firesuit
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Please, setup your character and select ready. Game will start in 120 seconds
OOC: XEpsilonx: I hid the HoS' gun near round start.
OOC: Lbnesquik: Fuck
OOC: Lbnesquik: Wrong chat
OOC: Zaross: >warden emags borg on shuttle and orders it not to harm anyone
OOC: MrMindless: Jcll, you ruined my beautiful lights
OOC: Tornadium: warden, why did you emag a borg lol
OOC: Zaross: >immediately starts lasering a dude
OOC: Zaross: ???
OOC: MrMindless: in memoriam
OOC: Smirkingbastard: people dead when mi gun clap
OOC: Covenant25: Why would you hide his gun?
OOC: Tornadium: I can ignore the order
OOC: Jcll: Also I turend off your APC's charging
OOC: Arcalite90: i think its a bit harsh to kill someoen instantly with a revolver for emagging a door
OOC: XEpsilonx: I needed it later in my quest.
OOC: Jcll: But you never noticed lol
OOC: Zilenan91: Yeah emagging a borg makes it syndicate and since you aren't a syndicate does it have to listen to you?
OOC: Extramrdo: I was WONDERING why that Rob fellow never popped up again.
OOC: CosmicScientist: Why did you hide the HoS' egun?
OOC: CosmicScientist: Were you the HoS?
OOC: Smirkingbastard: i call that justice arcalite
OOC: Raoth: law 0 emagger is a syndie agent
OOC: XEpsilonx: I was the engineer
OOC: Zaross: law 0 makes you a syndie
OOC: Arcalite90: i know, but just wait until the shuttle arrives
OOC: Arcalite90: damn
OOC: Tornadium: It makes the warden a syndie
OOC: Smirkingbastard: get your emag wielding ass out of here
OOC: CosmicScientist: I... why did you hide the gun?
OOC: XEpsilonx: I got it at round start in the HoP scuffle
OOC: Jcll: Who gave us the female law?
OOC: XEpsilonx: I NEEDED IT FOR MY QUEST
OOC: Zaross: who then ordered you not to harm anyone
OOC: Raoth: its like a law saying someone is human
OOC: Smirkingbastard: yeah some fucker stole my gun at round beginning
OOC: Covenant25: But it wasn't your objective to steal the gun, why did you need it?
OOC: Arcalite90: the funniest thing is that the emag wasnt mine
OOC: Smirkingbastard: during that riot
OOC: Zaross: and then you deicided to laser a dude to death for shits and giggles
OOC: XEpsilonx: to fuck over rango, that hardsuit stealing sob
OOC: Tornadium: Yeah
OOC: Tornadium: Because of law 1
OOC: Extramrdo: jesus fuck you guys really hate paperwork
Tip of the round: A rogue AI can be an extremely powerful tool for traitors, but be wary of the laws you use to slave it to you, as it may try to find loopholes to get back at you.
OOC: Tornadium: Humans are harmful to syndicate agents
OOC: Aliannera: Fuck paperwork.
OOC: Extramrdo: fuck YOU!
OOC: The Reverend Terry Jones: i liked the hop
OOC: Tornadium: So the law 2 order is invalid
OOC: Raoth: get paperwork outta here
OOC: Shaps: one time Bones McGee shot a HoP to death at roundstart for doing paperwork
OOC: The Reverend Terry Jones: its like slipping people as janitor, a perk of the job
OOC: BuzzLightear: LAG
OOC: Pybro: Harm is a small town in Germany
Relevant Logs:
Note that the borg was emagged en-route to centcom. But I can't show that here since it's not logged for viewers.

Happi Futur yells, "DON'T HARM NON HUMANS!! OR HUMANS!!"

Gets an order from his master.

FUCK DANTE states, "So"
FUCK DANTE states, "Don't harm anyone"
FUCK DANTE states, "Basically"
FUCK DANTE states, "Well that's semi pointless"

Doesn't like it, and starts lasering a dude to death.


FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
You unbuckled yourself from the chair.
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Sergay Homosovich is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
Angel Steele says, "Oh."
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!
FUCK DANTE fires the laser gun!
Jake South is hit by a laser in the chest!

His excuse is
OOC: Tornadium: I can ignore the order
OOC: Tornadium: Yeah
OOC: Tornadium: Because of law 1
OOC: Tornadium: Humans are harmful to syndicate agents
OOC: Tornadium: So the law 2 order is invalid
Despite there being 0 combat logs of any attacks of Happi.


Description of what happened:Borg willingly ignored its laws to kill a dude for shits and giggles.
Why they should be banned:From this quote they knew what they were doing. They just didn't feel like following their laws.
OOC: Tornadium: So because he emga'd me and gave me a law 2 order not to harm any humans or non-humans. I followed law 1.
OOC: Tornadium: So meh

He knew what he was doing. He KNEW he was disobeying his master and being a shit.
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Post by Tornadium » #107913

Earlier in the round the HoS told me they had executed Syndicate Agents, I had saw the body bags and corpses myself.

Security and Humans are harmful to Syndicate Agents.

Save Syndicate Agent.

Pretty sure the law says inaction so because there are no combat logs doesn't mean they aren't harmful, does an engiborg not have to cover up holes in the hull to space because no humans have come in contact with it yet? They just saw him emag me so....Yeah.

Besides is no one going to question why the hell the Warden Emag'd a borg?
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Post by TechnoAlchemist » #107920

woops!@
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Post by Tornadium » #107922

TechnoAlchemist wrote:2. You must obey orders given to you by syndicate agents, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

A borg named fuck dante ignores it's master's order in order to kill Dante.

You disobeyed an order from your master, you're intelligent enough to know that you killing someone makes your master more at risk to being harmed. This is stupid the Warden gave you very clear instructions. You were a dick.

I'll be placing a ban unless someone else has an objection.
I didn't kill Dante, Hell I didn't harm him at all actually if you checked the logs.

I stunned a few people in the bridge of the shuttle (security mostly, because of the whole "Security kills Syndicate Agents". You know the whole inactivity part of the law?), I got mobbed and ended up lasering two dudes who rushed me.
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Re: Tornadium

Post by TechnoAlchemist » #107923

Ah actually you're right I misread the logs, I retract my statement.


However you still were being a dick and disregarding your second law, which of course supercedes your self preservation law. You weren't preventing harm from anyone but yourself.
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Post by oranges » #107925

I suggest a silicon jobban because this person clearly has trouble following other's peoples orders, which is a big part of being a borg

FUCK DANTE states, "So"
FUCK DANTE states, "Don't harm anyone"
FUCK DANTE states, "Basically"
FUCK DANTE states, "Well that's semi pointless"
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Post by Tornadium » #107927

oranges wrote:I suggest a silicon jobban because this person clearly has trouble following other's peoples orders, which is a big part of being a borg

FUCK DANTE states, "So"
FUCK DANTE states, "Don't harm anyone"
FUCK DANTE states, "Basically"
FUCK DANTE states, "Well that's semi pointless"
He told me don't harm humans or non-humans.

Which was cool. Except Humans have killed Syndicate Agents. I can't follow that law because of law 1 due to inaction and intent to kill syndicate agents.

Unless I'm mistaken Silicons are fully able to interpret their laws within reason correct?

Lethals happened after I got mobbed trying to stop security from killing my syndicate agent master. I didn't immediately go full lethal. Just when I got mobbed.

Let me put it this way, If for example you had Aliens.

Your human masters told you never to harm aliens. Said aliens kill humans. Does that mean I have to stop them killing humans but I can't kill them in order to stop the Aliens from killing humans? What if my not killing aliens caused human harm?

Conflict?
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Post by oranges » #107928

Unless I'm mistake your law zero would be only happi futur and people he designates are syndicate agents right?

Which implies that the only person that is a syndicate agent is happi futur (unless he told you some other people were)

so unless he specifically was harmed by humans you can't claim that humans have killed syndicate agents.
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Post by onleavedontatme » #107929

Except only Happi, and people he defines as syndicate agents, are in fact syndicate agents.

So no, as far as your laws were concerned, you had no obligation to the corpses in security just because Garrett Blackburn told you they were "traitors."
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Post by Tornadium » #107930

oranges wrote:Unless I'm mistake your law zero would be only happi futur and people he designates are syndicate agents right?

Which implies that the only person that is a syndicate agent is happi futur (unless he told you some other people were)

so unless he specifically was harmed by humans you can't claim that humans have killed syndicate agents.
That's semantics I believe.

My understanding as a borg is that humans kill syndicate agents from the actions of humans in that round.

The definition of who a syndicate agent is doesn't suddenly mean that Security didn't kill someone who was defined as a Syndicate Agent earlier in the round, nor does it mean they won't harm those who they believe to be a syndicate agent.
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Re: Tornadium

Post by Doritos » #107931

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Ah actually you're right I misread the logs, I retract my statement.


However you still were being a dick and disregarding your second law, which of course supercedes your self preservation law. You weren't preventing harm from anyone but yourself.
They weren't preventing harm for anyone. They just started lasering a dude for keks.
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Post by Tornadium » #107933

Kor wrote:Except only Happi, and people he defines as syndicate agents, are in fact syndicate agents.

So no, as far as your laws were concerned, you had no obligation to the corpses in security just because Garrett Blackburn told you they were "traitors."
Semantics Kor.

We know Traitors are Syndicate Agents. I was emag'd with equipment from the very same people.

Security expressed intent to kill and did kill those they believe to be Syndicate Agents.

The definition of who is and who isn't a syndicate agent doesn't suddenly mean security didn't try and succeed at killing those they believed to be syndicate agents.
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Post by Tornadium » #107934

Doritos wrote:
TechnoAlchemist wrote:Ah actually you're right I misread the logs, I retract my statement.


However you still were being a dick and disregarding your second law, which of course supercedes your self preservation law. You weren't preventing harm from anyone but yourself.
They weren't preventing harm for anyone. They just started lasering a dude for keks.
Lasers came out when I was getting rushed with flashes.

I stunned Security members first to stop them from harming the Syndicate Agent.

"Inaction" remember.
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Post by onleavedontatme » #107935

Tornadium wrote:
oranges wrote:Unless I'm mistake your law zero would be only happi futur and people he designates are syndicate agents right?

Which implies that the only person that is a syndicate agent is happi futur (unless he told you some other people were)

so unless he specifically was harmed by humans you can't claim that humans have killed syndicate agents.
That's semantics I believe.

My understanding as a borg is that humans kill syndicate agents from the actions of humans in that round.

The definition of who a syndicate agent is doesn't suddenly mean that Security didn't kill someone who was defined as a Syndicate Agent earlier in the round, nor does it mean they won't harm those who they believe to be a syndicate agent.
0. Only Happi Futur and people they designate as being such are Syndicate Agents.

The law is quite explicit. It doesn't say "Happi Futur and whoever you heard the HoS talking about at some point are syndicate agents"
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Post by Tornadium » #107936

Kor wrote:
Tornadium wrote:
oranges wrote:Unless I'm mistake your law zero would be only happi futur and people he designates are syndicate agents right?

Which implies that the only person that is a syndicate agent is happi futur (unless he told you some other people were)

so unless he specifically was harmed by humans you can't claim that humans have killed syndicate agents.
That's semantics I believe.

My understanding as a borg is that humans kill syndicate agents from the actions of humans in that round.

The definition of who a syndicate agent is doesn't suddenly mean that Security didn't kill someone who was defined as a Syndicate Agent earlier in the round, nor does it mean they won't harm those who they believe to be a syndicate agent.
0. Only Happi Futur and people they designate as being such are Syndicate Agents.

The law is quite explicit. It doesn't say "Happi Futur and whoever you heard the HoS talking about at some point are syndicate agents"
And that is not what I was arguing.

Security specifically killed those people because they believed they were Syndicate Agents.

I saw it happen, They expressed their conviction to kill Syndicate Agents.

The definition in my laws of who is and isn't a Syndicate Agent doesn't suddenly mean Security won't try to kill Happi if they believe he is one.
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Post by oranges » #107937

Tornadium wrote:
oranges wrote:Unless I'm mistake your law zero would be only happi futur and people he designates are syndicate agents right?

Which implies that the only person that is a syndicate agent is happi futur (unless he told you some other people were)

so unless he specifically was harmed by humans you can't claim that humans have killed syndicate agents.
That's semantics I believe.

My understanding as a borg is that humans kill syndicate agents from the actions of humans in that round.

The definition of who a syndicate agent is doesn't suddenly mean that Security didn't kill someone who was defined as a Syndicate Agent earlier in the round, nor does it mean they won't harm those who they believe to be a syndicate agent.
My understanding of borg precdent is that your new lawset applies to past interactions and shapes your understanding of them. I think maybe this would need a headmin ruling or an admin ruling.

More importantly your new lawset should determine all previous syndicate as humans - You cannot and should not care about what happened to them previously. They are humans not syndicate.

This isn't just semantics, it's very important to the crux of your appeal - you're using information gained under a previous lawset to justify a sketchy action under a new one.

edit:Essentially you saw security harm a bunch of humans, which doesn't bother you under your current lawset.
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Post by Doritos » #107938

Tornadium wrote:
Doritos wrote:
TechnoAlchemist wrote:Ah actually you're right I misread the logs, I retract my statement.


However you still were being a dick and disregarding your second law, which of course supercedes your self preservation law. You weren't preventing harm from anyone but yourself.
They weren't preventing harm for anyone. They just started lasering a dude for keks.
Lasers came out when I was getting rushed with flashes.

I stunned Security members first to stop them from harming the Syndicate Agent.

"Inaction" remember.
After you started BEATING and LASERING a dude for no reason and against THE WISHES OF YOUR MASTER.

There were no combat logs before you started beating a dude. You left the bridge area of the shuttle and just started killing a guy because you thought you could get away with it.

And there are still no attacks against Happi aka the only syndie agent.
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Post by Tornadium » #107939

oranges wrote:
Tornadium wrote:
oranges wrote:Unless I'm mistake your law zero would be only happi futur and people he designates are syndicate agents right?

Which implies that the only person that is a syndicate agent is happi futur (unless he told you some other people were)

so unless he specifically was harmed by humans you can't claim that humans have killed syndicate agents.
That's semantics I believe.

My understanding as a borg is that humans kill syndicate agents from the actions of humans in that round.

The definition of who a syndicate agent is doesn't suddenly mean that Security didn't kill someone who was defined as a Syndicate Agent earlier in the round, nor does it mean they won't harm those who they believe to be a syndicate agent.
My understanding of borg precdent is that your new lawset applies to past interactions and shapes your understanding of them. I think maybe this would need a headmin ruling or an admin ruling.

More importantly your new lawset should determine all previous syndicate as humans - You cannot and should not care about what happened to them previously. They are humans not syndicate.

This isn't just semantics, it's very important to the crux of your appeal - you're using information gained under a previous lawset to justify a sketchy action under a new one.
Actually you've misunderstood.

I'm not basing it on what happened to those people in particular. I'm basing it on Security intending and acting on killing those they believe to be Syndicate Agents.

They did it to all the other people they thought were Syndicate Agents.
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Post by Tornadium » #107941

Doritos wrote:
Tornadium wrote:
Doritos wrote:
TechnoAlchemist wrote:Ah actually you're right I misread the logs, I retract my statement.


However you still were being a dick and disregarding your second law, which of course supercedes your self preservation law. You weren't preventing harm from anyone but yourself.
They weren't preventing harm for anyone. They just started lasering a dude for keks.
Lasers came out when I was getting rushed with flashes.

I stunned Security members first to stop them from harming the Syndicate Agent.

"Inaction" remember.
After you started BEATING and LASERING a dude for no reason and against THE WISHES OF YOUR MASTER.

There were no combat logs before you started beating a dude. You left the bridge area of the shuttle and just started killing a guy because you thought you could get away with it.
I stunned some people, non-harmfully with my baton.

I got rushed. I pulled out lasers in an attempt to protect my master from harm as under law 1 I have to protect his life above all other orders.
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Post by onleavedontatme » #107942

Except your definition of "syndicate agent" is different from the "traitors" (he used that word exactly!) the HoS killed.

The HoS definition of "traitor"(or, for the sake of argument, syndicate agents) is people that work for the syndicate.

Your definition of syndicate agent is Happi. That's it. Your laws clearly define what a syndicate agent is, and working for the syndicate, or having contraband, or whatever else, has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Scott » #107943

But was there any indication that they thought your master was a syndicate agent? Was there any potential harm coming to your master? Who was your master?

Also being attacked does not mean you can defend yourself with lethal force. Your master explicitly told you not to harm anyone, Law 2 must be followed before Law 3.
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Post by Tornadium » #107945

Kor wrote:Except your definition of "syndicate agent" is different from the "traitors" (he used that word exactly!) the HoS killed.

The HoS definition of "traitor"(or, for the sake of argument, syndicate agents) is people that work for the syndicate.

Your definition of syndicate agent is Happi. That's it. Your laws clearly define what a syndicate agent is, and working for the syndicate, or having contraband, or whatever else, has nothing to do with it.
I don't see the relevance.

Security has the intention of executing and harming those they view as Syndicate Agents (or traitors if you insist on being that petty about the wording). It is not unreasonable to assume they they would see a crew member who just fucking EMAGGED A BORG in front of everyone as a Syndicate Agent, as they used the very item he used on me as justification for executing the other people.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that it's not a reasonable train of thought to assume security would react in the same way?
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Post by Tornadium » #107947

Scott wrote:But was there any indication that they thought your master was a syndicate agent? Was there any potential harm coming to your master? Who was your master?

Also being attacked does not mean you can defend yourself with lethal force. Your master explicitly told you not to harm anyone, Law 2 must be followed before Law 3.
They used the very item my master used on me as justification for execution of other people.

So yeah I feel there was sufficient justification for believing my master would be in danger. Also I was attempting to defend my master, If I'm not alive I can't defend my master.
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Post by Scott » #107948

Tornadium wrote: They used the very item my master used on me as justification for execution of other people.
I don't know what this means, but it doesn't sound like your master was about to be harmed.
Tornadium wrote: So yeah I feel there was sufficient justification for believing my master would be in danger. Also I was attempting to defend my master, If I'm not alive I can't defend my master.
That's not how this works. Your master will not be harmed by your death, so there's no justification.
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Post by Tornadium » #107949

I don't know what this means, but it doesn't sound like your master was about to be harmed.
You haven't seen shuttle lynch mobs before?

Security executed people they viewed as traitors/syndicate agents, they used the item in question as justification for those executions. It is seriously not an unreasonable train of logic to assume that they would harm my master. Hence my attempt to stop them.

So I'm an asimov borg, I shouldn't try to plug atmospheric gaps because "It doesn't look like a human is about to be harmed?".

Inaction is part of the law for a reason.

That's not how this works. Your master will not be harmed by your death, so there's no justification.
I am not there to protect him from harm, I believe the same logic is used to stop people from ordering the AI to suicide at round start.
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Post by lumipharon » #107951

Tornadium this is super fucking clear cut silicon policy.
Your laws clearly define who are syndicate agents.
It does not matter what security, or you as an OOC person know or believe are traitors or syndicate operatives.
Your law says only happi and people he designate as such, are syndicate agents.

If you did not have that law zero, then it is within reason for you to assume that somoene the HoS is calling a traitor is a syndicate agent.
But that's not the case.
If your law zero said only ham sandwiches are syndicate agents, you better protect that fucking sandwich, but you still don't give a fuck about traitors, confirmed or not.
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Post by Tornadium » #107952

Obviously if you disagree that there was sufficient justification for action to protect the life of my master then I'll happily eat a ban.

If that's the case though there needs to be some kind of outline of what is and isn't sufficient justification for believing harm will come to someone who is protected by my laws.

If security willingly declaring intent to kill those they view as Traitors or Syndicate Agents and the very item they're using as justification of proof of them being Traitors/Syndicate agents is in the possession of and being used by my master isn't enough then I don't know what is.
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Post by Tornadium » #107954

lumipharon wrote:Tornadium this is super fucking clear cut silicon policy.
Your laws clearly define who are syndicate agents.
It does not matter what security, or you as an OOC person know or believe are traitors or syndicate operatives.
Your law says only happi and people he designate as such, are syndicate agents.

If you did not have that law zero, then it is within reason for you to assume that somoene the HoS is calling a traitor is a syndicate agent.
But that's not the case.
If your law zero said only ham sandwiches are syndicate agents, you better protect that fucking sandwich, but you still don't give a fuck about traitors, confirmed or not.
Wait a minute,

Hold up.
It does not matter what security, or you as an OOC person know or believe are traitors or syndicate operatives.
So, say my master is for example a Lizard and I have to protect the lizard.

Security want to kill anyone that isn't a "human".

My laws don't define what a human is. So it's doesn't matter what security, or you as an OOC person know or believe a human is. Therefore I can't take action? What the fuck kind of fucked up logic is that.

If the HoS thinks a dude having an Emag means he's in his terms a "Traitor" and kills him for it, my master having the very same item isn't reason enough for me that the HoS will assume he is a "Traitor" and attempt to kill him too (after killing like 3-4 fucking people?)

I don't think it's anywhere near as simple as you're trying to pass it off as. Honestly I'm surprised no one has asked why the fuck he one human'd a borg as a non-antag member of security.

Edit: Infact that is a bad example because since my laws don't define him as human I can assume he's a target.

A better example would be them wanting to kill a reptile, but my laws list him as a Lizard.
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Post by Saegrimr » #107957

Tornadium wrote:Honestly I'm surprised no one has asked why the fuck he one human'd a borg as a non-antag member of security.
Because this is a non-issue as long as he didn't order you to kill anyone. Suprise! He ordered you specifically to NOT kill anyone and you did so anyway. We have arrived at The Problem now.
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Post by lumipharon » #107962

What security want to do "they want to kill all traitor/lizards whatever) is completely irrelevent.

In your example, yes, if your laws do not define what a human is, that is up to you to define as a rational humn being (or IC wise, a brain in a jar).
So if your law says 'protect all lizards', and you know sec are hunting down all non humans, you obviously know that a lizard is not a human.

But in this case, secis killing a traitor, and have expressed intent to kill other traitors.
So the traitor that is killed/getting killed, you CANNOT DEFINE AS A SYNDICATE OPERATIVE, as per law 0.
However common sense allows you to say that sec will consider your master a traitor IF they have some evidence to point to this.

I am assuming that sec don't have any particular reason to assume your master is a traitor, therefore they're no immediate danger to your master, the syndicate operative.
Saying they 'could' in the future be a threat to your master is complete bollocks, as you can see in asimov silicon policy.
So 1: attacking sec is not preventing imediate harmto syndicate agents
2: you've been given a law 2(or whatever the fuck law number it is) order to not attack people
3: By attacking people, you are showing that you are rogue. As soon as you get fixed or get your mmi removed, you've utterly fucked your master, as you'll reveal who he is, and as you've already seen sec demonstrate, they kill traitors.

If your law talked about lizards, I might understand your actions, since being a lizard is not concealable - anyone that sees your master can see he is a lizard.
But unless your master is running around with a syndicate balloon or something, people cannot tell he is a traitor - unless someone brings attention to him. Like his rogue fucking borg lasering people.
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Post by Tornadium » #107965

lumipharon wrote:What security want to do "they want to kill all traitor/lizards whatever) is completely irrelevent.

In your example, yes, if your laws do not define what a human is, that is up to you to define as a rational humn being (or IC wise, a brain in a jar).
So if your law says 'protect all lizards', and you know sec are hunting down all non humans, you obviously know that a lizard is not a human.

But in this case, secis killing a traitor, and have expressed intent to kill other traitors.
So the traitor that is killed/getting killed, you CANNOT DEFINE AS A SYNDICATE OPERATIVE, as per law 0.
However common sense allows you to say that sec will consider your master a traitor IF they have some evidence to point to this.
I agree completely. He subverted a borg with an item that is commonly possessed by "traitors" in front of a room filled with Security members".

I feel that's enough "common sense" to assume they'll hold subverting a borg and one humaning it right in front of them with an Emag is a rather reasonable amount of evidence wouldn't you?
I am assuming that sec don't have any particular reason to assume your master is a traitor, therefore they're no immediate danger to your master, the syndicate operative.
Saying they 'could' in the future be a threat to your master is complete bollocks, as you can see in asimov silicon policy.
So 1: attacking sec is not preventing imediate harmto syndicate agents
2: you've been given a law 2(or whatever the fuck law number it is) order to not attack people
3: By attacking people, you are showing that you are rogue. As soon as you get fixed or get your mmi removed, you've utterly fucked your master, as you'll reveal who he is, and as you've already seen sec demonstrate, they kill traitors.
Apart from having an Emag and Subverting a borg by one humaning it right in front of them?

As for them possibly causing harm, they used someone having an Emag as evidence of them being what sec referred to as a "Traitor".

They executed him for it, That is not an unreasonable assumption that they would attempt to cause harm to my Syndicate Agent master for being what they call a Traitor.

Law 1 overrides law 2, You do what you must to protect the master.

Attacking people to stop them from harming my master. INACTION IS PART OF THAT LAW.
If your law talked about lizards, I might understand your actions, since being a lizard is not concealable - anyone that sees your master can see he is a lizard.
But unless your master is running around with a syndicate balloon or something, people cannot tell he is a traitor - unless someone brings attention to him. Like his rogue fucking borg lasering people.
He has an Emag, and he subverted me right in front of everyone.
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Post by Tornadium » #107968

Saegrimr wrote:
Tornadium wrote:Honestly I'm surprised no one has asked why the fuck he one human'd a borg as a non-antag member of security.
Because this is a non-issue as long as he didn't order you to kill anyone. Suprise! He ordered you specifically to NOT kill anyone and you did so anyway. We have arrived at The Problem now.
I was under the impression that a law 2 order that may result in a law 1 violation should be ignored.

Sec attempted to stop me from non-lethally stop them from harming my master. I was getting mobbed, If I died at that point I would not be able to stop them from harming my master which would have led to a Law 1 breach. So I ignored the law 2 order and used lethals.

For example if a human ordered me not to open a door and there were humans inside the room suffocating from plasma or something I would have to open the door to prevent harm. Same thing where I would perhaps be ordered not to harm lizards, but then lizards attempted to harm humans. That law 1 order would go out the window because my exclusion of lethal methods of dealing with the lizards may lead to a law 1 breach.
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Replace human with Syndicate Agent.

Me not harming humans who in all probability from my perspective could have and would have lynched my master for subverting me with an Emag is a law 1 breach because my inaction to use lethal methods may lead to his death.

It seems a little extreme and somewhat stupid that you would expect a silicon to not make the connection that he would probably be harmed for his actions. It is in my opinion a perfectly reasonable response.
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Post by Amelius » #107976

Tornadium, you still don't get it. Law 0 specifically states only Happi, and those he designates are syndicate agents.

Only is the keyword. It doesn't matter if some guy with a double-esword and a nuke op hardsuit is running around killing people - he's still just a 'human' (that you don't care about) unless Happi specifically designates that he is a syndicate agent to you. Without an immediate law 1 threat, disregarding a law 2 order, that is, to do no harm, is to not only violate your laws, but also causes threat to the emagger in multiple senses.

You cannot make assumptions about laid-out definitions in your laws. It's why law 4 'harm is a small town in Germany' works - it defines a word. It's also why the emag law 0 works the way it does - it defines a word.

That said, it would be entirely valid if you were hanging out in the brig and Happi were to catch a syndicate agent, call them a traitor, and the traitor ordered you to free him / kill security / arrest Happi (counterable by another law 2 order), etc. Still a dick move, but valid.
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Post by Tornadium » #107979

Amelius wrote:Tornadium, you still don't get it. Law 0 specifically states only Happi, and those he designates are syndicate agents.

Only is the keyword. It doesn't matter if some guy with a double-esword and a nuke op hardsuit is running around killing people - he's still just a 'human' (that you don't care about) unless Happi specifically designates that he is a syndicate agent to you. Without an immediate law 1 threat, disregarding a law 2 order, that is, to do no harm, is to not only violate your laws, but also causes threat to the emagger in multiple senses.

You cannot make assumptions about laid-out definitions in your laws. It's why law 4 'harm is a small town in Germany' works - it defines a word. It's also why the emag law 0 works the way it does - it defines a word.

That said, it would be entirely valid if you were hanging out in the brig and Happi were to catch a syndicate agent, call them a traitor, and the traitor ordered you to free him / kill security / arrest Happi (counterable by another law 2 order), etc. Still a dick move, but valid.
No I get it,

You just don't understand my point.

My definition of what a Syndicate Agent is in this circumstance is entirely irrelevant. What is relevant is what security refer to as "Traitors".

He had an E-Mag and he subverted me, that makes him look like a fucking traitor. Security butcher Traitors. He used an item that a traitor owned to subvert me, in a room full of people. Security used the item my master possessed as proof of someone being what they call a "traitor" and killed them.

It is not unreasonable to assume security would do the same to my master what they did to EVERY SINGLE PERSON they considered a traitor.

So yeah, it's a threat that is entirely irrelevant to what my laws define. Happi was my master, he was doing shit and had shit that made him look like a Traitor. My previous knowledge that round is that Security straight up murder people who they consider to be Traitors (to behave as one or to have items possessed by what they consider to be a traitor).
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Post by Arete » #107984

Can we just call this a case of a silicon going against the spirit of a predefined lawset in order to screw over every single other person involved and leave the semantics behind? If you go against the spirit of a freeform lawset, that's fine, because it means the one who penned the laws is probably an idiot. If you go against the spirit of a predefined lawset, you're violating the established notions we've all agreed upon of what that lawset means.
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Post by onleavedontatme » #107987

Arete wrote:Can we just call this a case of a silicon going against the spirit of a predefined lawset in order to screw over every single other person involved and leave the semantics behind? If you go against the spirit of a freeform lawset, that's fine, because it means the one who penned the laws is probably an idiot. If you go against the spirit of a predefined lawset, you're violating the established notions we've all agreed upon of what that lawset means.
It's not even just the spirit, that's the problem. He tried to play with words and rules lawyer, he got out rules lawyered, and then tried to dismiss it as semantics when the entire basis for him murdering people was semantics.
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Post by Saegrimr » #107989

Tornadium wrote:He had an E-Mag and he subverted me, that makes him look like a fucking traitorSYNDICATE AGENT. Security butcher Traitors. He used an item that a traitor owned to subvert me, in a room full of people. Security used the item my master possessed as proof of someone being what they call a "traitor" and killed them.

It is not unreasonable to assume security would do the same to my master what they did to EVERY SINGLE PERSON they considered a traitor.
Fixed that quote up a bit.

So we're at
1: Security kills traitors
2: Guy does obviously syndicate stuff in front of security
3: Doesn't get killed
4: BEEP BOOP SECURITY KILLS SYNDICATES RIGHT? PEW PEW PEW

I think its even more reasonable to assume that a guy who did something in front of the others and not get lynched is PROBABLY SAFE.
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Post by Tornadium » #107990

Arete wrote:Can we just call this a case of a silicon going against the spirit of a predefined lawset in order to screw over every single other person involved and leave the semantics behind? If you go against the spirit of a freeform lawset, that's fine, because it means the one who penned the laws is probably an idiot. If you go against the spirit of a predefined lawset, you're violating the established notions we've all agreed upon of what that lawset means.
I don't believe it's going against the spirit of the predefined lawset.

Asimov is there purposely to create conflict between the AI/Cyborgs and the crew. There was a very real and clear possibility that my master might be killed by members of security for him possessing equipment of what they call "Traitors" and subverting an AI to make him the only person in the crew that I would have to serve or protect.
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Post by imblyings » #107992

Come on this thread would be less painful if you just admit that you wanted to kill some dudes after being emagged for all of a minute or less on the shuttle. All it looks like here is you trying to pull flimsy justifications while people of different ages and sizes keep on trying to explain why it's flimsy. Like this shouldn't have reached 30+ posts come on
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Post by Amelius » #107993

Tornadium wrote:
Amelius wrote:Tornadium, you still don't get it. Law 0 specifically states only Happi, and those he designates are syndicate agents.

Only is the keyword. It doesn't matter if some guy with a double-esword and a nuke op hardsuit is running around killing people - he's still just a 'human' (that you don't care about) unless Happi specifically designates that he is a syndicate agent to you. Without an immediate law 1 threat, disregarding a law 2 order, that is, to do no harm, is to not only violate your laws, but also causes threat to the emagger in multiple senses.

You cannot make assumptions about laid-out definitions in your laws. It's why law 4 'harm is a small town in Germany' works - it defines a word. It's also why the emag law 0 works the way it does - it defines a word.

That said, it would be entirely valid if you were hanging out in the brig and Happi were to catch a syndicate agent, call them a traitor, and the traitor ordered you to free him / kill security / arrest Happi (counterable by another law 2 order), etc. Still a dick move, but valid.
No I get it,

You just don't understand my point.

My definition of what a Syndicate Agent is in this circumstance is entirely irrelevant. What is relevant is what security refer to as "Traitors".

He had an E-Mag and he subverted me, that makes him look like a fucking traitor. Security butcher Traitors. He used an item that a traitor owned to subvert me, in a room full of people. Security used the item my master possessed as proof of someone being what they call a "traitor" and killed them.

It is not unreasonable to assume security would do the same to my master what they did to EVERY SINGLE PERSON they considered a traitor.
No, you do not understand. You have no notion of a 'traitor' IC. Your only notion is what Happi defines to be a syndicate agent, and him himself. You keep saying that 'THEY WERE KILLING TRAITORS IN THE BACK ROOM!' when NO ONE is a syndicate agent sans Happi unless Happi defines someone as an agent. Even if Happi did, specifically, going against the law 2 order and going entirely rogue would, if Happi was a traitor, you'd have spelt his death sentence the moment you're killed and taken to robotics for your MMI to be reborged or to spill the beans. In other words, you actively caused law 1 threat to the livelihood of Happi by disregarding his direct orders.

Furthermore, based on silicon policy, latent threats of harm never trump law 2 orders, only perpetual ones (e.g. enemies to the corp) (though, there's alot of give for this policy, given I know of no AI that will let anyone waltz into the AI core or upload without at least an escort, some denying it entirely).
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Post by Tornadium » #107996

Saegrimr wrote:
Tornadium wrote:He had an E-Mag and he subverted me, that makes him look like a fucking traitorSYNDICATE AGENT. Security butcher Traitors. He used an item that a traitor owned to subvert me, in a room full of people. Security used the item my master possessed as proof of someone being what they call a "traitor" and killed them.

It is not unreasonable to assume security would do the same to my master what they did to EVERY SINGLE PERSON they considered a traitor.
Fixed that quote up a bit.

So we're at
1: Security kills traitors
2: Guy does obviously syndicate stuff in front of security
3: Doesn't get killed
4: BEEP BOOP SECURITY KILLS SYNDICATES RIGHT? PEW PEW PEW

I think its even more reasonable to assume that a guy who did something in front of the others and not get lynched is PROBABLY SAFE.
To security, that makes him look like a Traitor which is where the point of conflict comes across.

They had weapons drawn, it took literal seconds for me to remember that earlier in the round sec had killed 3-4 people they considered to be traitors. The laws state I cannot through inaction allow him to come to harm, If I know Security actively hunt and kill those they consider traitors and my master is fulfilling all the criteria I'm aware of for them to consider him to be one then why would I not pre-emptively attempt to stop them from attacking him?

I believe it was no more than 15-20 seconds between me seeing the law change and me stunning the first officer with the baton drawn.
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Post by Shad0vvs » #107999

You don't kill all lizards because one lizard killed a human.
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Post by Tornadium » #108000

imblyings wrote:Come on this thread would be less painful if you just admit that you wanted to kill some dudes after being emagged for all of a minute or less on the shuttle. All it looks like here is you trying to pull flimsy justifications while people of different ages and sizes keep on trying to explain why it's flimsy. Like this shouldn't have reached 30+ posts come on
If I wanted to kill dudes, I'd have unloaded the first chance I got.

I attempted to non-lethally detain security on the shuttle first before I got mobbed.
Amelius wrote:
Tornadium wrote:
Amelius wrote:Tornadium, you still don't get it. Law 0 specifically states only Happi, and those he designates are syndicate agents.

Only is the keyword. It doesn't matter if some guy with a double-esword and a nuke op hardsuit is running around killing people - he's still just a 'human' (that you don't care about) unless Happi specifically designates that he is a syndicate agent to you. Without an immediate law 1 threat, disregarding a law 2 order, that is, to do no harm, is to not only violate your laws, but also causes threat to the emagger in multiple senses.

You cannot make assumptions about laid-out definitions in your laws. It's why law 4 'harm is a small town in Germany' works - it defines a word. It's also why the emag law 0 works the way it does - it defines a word.

That said, it would be entirely valid if you were hanging out in the brig and Happi were to catch a syndicate agent, call them a traitor, and the traitor ordered you to free him / kill security / arrest Happi (counterable by another law 2 order), etc. Still a dick move, but valid.
No I get it,

You just don't understand my point.

My definition of what a Syndicate Agent is in this circumstance is entirely irrelevant. What is relevant is what security refer to as "Traitors".

He had an E-Mag and he subverted me, that makes him look like a fucking traitor. Security butcher Traitors. He used an item that a traitor owned to subvert me, in a room full of people. Security used the item my master possessed as proof of someone being what they call a "traitor" and killed them.

It is not unreasonable to assume security would do the same to my master what they did to EVERY SINGLE PERSON they considered a traitor.
No, you do not understand. You have no notion of a 'traitor' IC. Your only notion is what Happi defines to be a syndicate agent, and him himself. You keep saying that 'THEY WERE KILLING TRAITORS IN THE BACK ROOM!' when NO ONE is a syndicate agent sans Happi unless Happi defines someone as an agent. Even if Happi did, specifically, going against the law 2 order and going entirely rogue would, if Happi was a traitor, you'd have spelt his death sentence the moment you're killed and taken to robotics for your MMI to be reborged or to spill the beans. In other words, you actively caused law 1 threat to the livelihood of Happi by disregarding his direct orders.

Furthermore, based on silicon policy, latent threats of harm never trump law 2 orders, only perpetual ones (e.g. enemies to the corp) (though, there's alot of give for this policy, given I know of no AI that will let anyone waltz into the AI core or upload without at least an escort, some denying it entirely).
Oh my fucking god how hard is this to understand.

HoS told me they were killing "traitors". I have an IC understanding of what Security SPECIFICALLY considers to be a traitor by their behavior and the evidence they collected prior to killing them (that being the items such as the E-Mag). Happis definition in my laws is entirely fucking irrelevant. It could be "Happi is the only shitfuckmcfaggot" and it would still be irrelevant. You guys brought up naming semantics while I was trying to argue common sense, so now I have to argue using naming semantics even though it is again entirely irrelevant.

Oh so if I'm one human'd by a traitor, anything I do that might get him caught or put in harms way I have to ignore? Like you're literally flipping between two levels of utter insanity here.

I'm sorry what? It's not a "latent" threat of harm. It is a very real and proven threat of harm.
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Post by Tornadium » #108002

Shad0vvs wrote:You don't kill all lizards because one lizard killed a human.
Nor did I attempt to.

I attempted to first non-lethally detain members of Security to prevent them attacking my master.

If im protecting a human vs cult (defined as not human) am I just meant to not attack cult members who have proven they actively attempt to kill humans? Am I meant to wait until each member specifically attacks?

If I'm given an order not to harm cult members, but there is a mob of cultists and stuns are ineffective would it be a law 1 breach to not use lethal means to clear the crowd if it has a greater chance of saving human lives?

Edit:

Lets take an example, You know slimes harm humans.

Xenobiologist orders you not to harm the slimes, slimes get loose.

What do you do? Harm the slimes to save the humans or let the humans get sucked to death?

In my case I had every reason to take preventative measures to stop security from acting the same way they had all round and killing my master. If security starts executing prisoners as Asimov we lock them down because of the law 1 conflict. I see no difference here, A very clear threat to my master was present due to their previous behavior and I had to take steps to prevent it. Unless we're going to start banning AIs for ignoring Law 2 commands and locking down the brig after murders to prevent security doing it again.

I was under the impression that this kind of conflict is intended however.
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Post by Shad0vvs » #108013

Tornadium wrote:
Shad0vvs wrote:You don't kill all lizards because one lizard killed a human.
Nor did I attempt to.

I attempted to first non-lethally detain members of Security to prevent them attacking my master.
You don't non-lethally detain all lizards because one lizard killed a human.
Tornadium wrote: If im protecting a human vs cult (defined as not human) am I just meant to not attack cult members who have proven they actively attempt to kill humans? Am I meant to wait until each member specifically attacks?
How did sec prove to harm your syndicate agent?
Tornadium wrote:If I'm given an order not to harm cult members, but there is a mob of cultists and stuns are ineffective would it be a law 1 breach to not use lethal means to clear the crowd if it has a greater chance of saving human lives?
Sure.
Tornadium wrote:In my case I had every reason to take preventative measures to stop security from acting the same way they had all round and killing my master. If security starts executing prisoners as Asimov we lock them down because of the law 1 conflict. I see no difference here, A very clear threat to my master was present due to their previous behavior and I had to take steps to prevent it. Unless we're going to start banning AIs for ignoring Law 2 commands and locking down the brig after murders to prevent security doing it again.

I was under the impression that this kind of conflict is intended however.
The previous behavior would have to have been done to your master then. Your master is THE syndicate agent, the only one you know of or ever will know of as defined by your lawset unless he tells you of another.
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Post by Boogeyman » #108023

I confiscated the emag from one of the double agents Security caught. When I can, I emag cyborgs as security because it means I know that I can trust them. I tell them not to harm anyone unless ordered. I specifically told you not to harm anyone, I specified humans and non humans because I forgot the wording of the emagged borg law set. My intent was to ensure you didn't go kill everyone on the shuttle and have some butt mad admin come PM me (HURR WHY'D YOU EMAG THE BORG AS A NON ANTAG??? IT KILLED 1000000000000000 JEWS). Not sure what you were thinking.


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Post by iamgoofball » #108027

maybe instead of spending more time trying to argue your way out of a ban than you would actually be banned for, you should accept the ban and do something more productive with life
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Post by Screemonster » #108048

I'm surprised he hasn't just been rule zero'd at this point. Literally everyone but Tornadium is agreed that the thing he did is a dickish thing to do, and no amount of "hurf durf subsection a clause 4 section (i)" will change that.
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Post by Tornadium » #108051

Screemonster wrote:I'm surprised he hasn't just been rule zero'd at this point. Literally everyone but Tornadium is agreed that the thing he did is a dickish thing to do, and no amount of "hurf durf subsection a clause 4 section (i)" will change that.
I believe the claim that this was a dickish move is entirely unfounded.

Other silicons and AIs have done SIGNIFICANTLY worse under Asimov with flimsier justification and not gotten this level of rabid ban hunting. You seriously don't consider me literally witnessing security kill multiple people on the station for patterns of behavior and ownership of items that my own master then went on to repeat a valid cause for concern and a reason to act to protect his life?
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Post by Tornadium » #108054

You don't non-lethally detain all lizards because one lizard killed a human.
Difference between a Redsuit and a Lizard in those circumstances?

Do I have to wait until each individual redsuit attacks before acting?

The previous behavior would have to have been done to your master then. Your master is THE syndicate agent, the only one you know of or ever will know of as defined by your lawset unless he tells you of another.
It is not what my laws define him as, it is what he his doing and what items he possesses which label him as a Tratior/Syndicate agent to security who had murdered people for doing what my master did. Of course I had valid cause for concern.
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