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Jeb all that shit got handled, calm your nuts. Niknak even told you he was working on it but you were way too salty in deadchat to notice.Ban Requests has been closed
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
>adminhelps relayed to IRC because of afk admins
>2 admins respond and come online
>2 permabans, 1 weeklong headban, and another guy 2 week antag banned
Seems to be working as intended
>2 admins respond and come online
>2 permabans, 1 weeklong headban, and another guy 2 week antag banned
Seems to be working as intended
- Jeb
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Significantly less full of sodium today, that round was rage-tier.Kor wrote:>adminhelps relayed to IRC because of afk admins
>2 admins respond and come online
>2 permabans, 1 weeklong headban, and another guy 2 week antag banned
Seems to be working as intended
The two admins (thanks Niknak/Saeg/Bgo etc) that finally joined were at the end of the round/beginning of the new round. At that point, adminhelp's had gone ignored for 30+ minutes.
Appreciative to see that something was done about that mess though.
- Screemonster
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
still faster response time than the ban requests forum tbhJeb wrote: The two admins (thanks Niknak/Saeg/Bgo etc) that finally joined were at the end of the round/beginning of the new round. At that point, adminhelp's had gone ignored for 30+ minutes.
- Jeb
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Yes, but had they not joined, the shitlers that were removed would have essentially got away free and clear.Screemonster wrote:still faster response time than the ban requests forum tbhJeb wrote: The two admins (thanks Niknak/Saeg/Bgo etc) that finally joined were at the end of the round/beginning of the new round. At that point, adminhelp's had gone ignored for 30+ minutes.
Ban requests is nice, because it allows you to (hopefully) wait until you're not full of rage, write out your complaint in detail with supporting evidence, etc.
The steno side of it is shit, but there was a suggestion above to do something like support tickets or something. That'd be cool.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
I agree with Jeb
- Oldman Robustin
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
I don't like it. Ban requests was always an important part of having a complete coverage against griefers. I frequently see Bagil adminhelps cry out to an empty bus, and I know from first-hand experience that sometimes its hard to resolve shit that round. Sometimes I'd experience some awful behavior, assume its an antag, only to find out with 40 seconds to restart that it was just an asshole. At that point its sometimes easier to grab the log yourself and take it to Ban Requests than try to scramble out a coherent adminhelp before the round ends while forcing admins to make a call then and there with someone who probably quit after the round ended so you're only getting one side of the story.
I don't agree with a lot of the points Kor made. It's really not that intensive to respond to ban request threads, just require all the requestees to "do their homework" so to speak and bring a complete profile of what happened so admins can discuss the request on its merits. "Poor use of time" is a super subjective thing when it comes to online video games, I can imagine it would be very frustrating to be subjected to immense griefing, have it ignored because admins were all jerking off, then turned away on the forums because its not worth our precious time. Plus ban requests were a good place to have practical policy discussions that aren't just a bunch of free floating hypotheticals.
I don't agree with a lot of the points Kor made. It's really not that intensive to respond to ban request threads, just require all the requestees to "do their homework" so to speak and bring a complete profile of what happened so admins can discuss the request on its merits. "Poor use of time" is a super subjective thing when it comes to online video games, I can imagine it would be very frustrating to be subjected to immense griefing, have it ignored because admins were all jerking off, then turned away on the forums because its not worth our precious time. Plus ban requests were a good place to have practical policy discussions that aren't just a bunch of free floating hypotheticals.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
All the arguments stated at the start of this thread are extremely weak.
Processing ban requests only wastes weeks of time if they are just ignored and left open for weeks.
Seriously the amount of time to ACTUALLY HANDLE a ban request is minimal.
Tell me how much time did it cost you the last time you handled a ban request?
A lot of that shit ended with someone just saying "not actionable" after 3 weeks, while it was perfectly clear from the first post that it wasn't actionable.
Processing ban requests only wastes weeks of time if they are just ignored and left open for weeks.
Seriously the amount of time to ACTUALLY HANDLE a ban request is minimal.
Tell me how much time did it cost you the last time you handled a ban request?
A lot of that shit ended with someone just saying "not actionable" after 3 weeks, while it was perfectly clear from the first post that it wasn't actionable.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
I have to point out that I hope the loss of this will curb some of the "I WAS INCONVENIENCED BAN HE!" culture we've got going on these days.
my forum gimmick is that no one knows who i am
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
it wont
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Except before when you got a weak Ahelp you could always just turn them away to Ban Requests if they felt your ruling wasn't proper, now you have to sit there and explain in excruciating detail why you're right and even then they still won't shut up about it.oranges wrote:it wont
Since we're ending community debate on this, why not accept admin volunteers to run the show, rulings would be final absent headmin intervention, yadda yadda.
- peoplearestrange
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Another fine decision. The place was a hell hole that 90% of admins wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Very rarely did anything useful become of the requests and mostly it was just a place that caused more drama for forum regulars.
Whatever
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Funnily enough its nearly a year later and the server hasn't imploded from the absence of the Salt Requests.
Really makes you think...
Really makes you think...
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
salt overloads go into admin complaints and policy threadsArianya wrote:Funnily enough its nearly a year later and the server hasn't imploded from the absence of the Salt Requests.
Really makes you think...
BRING IT BACK
- ThanatosRa
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
It hasn't.ThanatosRa wrote:I have to point out that I hope the loss of this will curb some of the "I WAS INCONVENIENCED BAN HE!" culture we've got going on these days.
my forum gimmick is that no one knows who i am
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
oranges wrote:it wont
ThanatosRa wrote:It hasn't.ThanatosRa wrote:I have to point out that I hope the loss of this will curb some of the "I WAS INCONVENIENCED BAN HE!" culture we've got going on these days.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
it's pretty bad right now, it feels like the only active admin is kevinz00 and the other trial mins
- bandit
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
If only there was a log of all bans placed by ckey and admin so we could consult the data rather than people's speculation
- kevinz000
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
When I'm one of the only active admins you KNOW there's a big issue.oranges wrote:it's pretty bad right now, it feels like the only active admin is kevinz00 and the other trial mins
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- oranges
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
bans are not directly equal to admin prescence.bandit wrote:If only there was a log of all bans placed by ckey and admin so we could consult the data rather than people's speculation
it's all well and good for saeg to show up and ban a few people based on admin helps and logs, but constant active admin presence on the servers is needed to keep the quality of the playerbase high.
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I think with me and Doctor Pork getting candidate this is likely to happen more oftenoranges wrote:bans are not directly equal to admin prescence.bandit wrote:If only there was a log of all bans placed by ckey and admin so we could consult the data rather than people's speculation
it's all well and good for saeg to show up and ban a few people based on admin helps and logs, but constant active admin presence on the servers is needed to keep the quality of the playerbase high.
I noticed this month I've been playing a lot while admins are offline, and I got trial today - I'm hoping i can help alleviate that a bit
Limey wrote:its too late.
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the point is it shouldnt' just be trial mins who are managing the servers.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
we have two options:
1. make the game not need 24/7 babysitting(ha)
2. make the game not open 24/7(ha)
1. make the game not need 24/7 babysitting(ha)
2. make the game not open 24/7(ha)
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3. hire admins for 24/7 coverage(ha)iamgoofball wrote:we have two options:
1. make the game not need 24/7 babysitting(ha)
2. make the game not open 24/7(ha)
4. hope they're good(ha)
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- iamgoofball
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
and then when those people get bored of babysitting 24/7 for 0 dollars we end up in the same position
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Could always just bring back Ban Requests and public logs.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Public logs are still (partially) working: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logsAlex Crimson wrote:Could always just bring back Ban Requests and public logs.
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Option 3iamgoofball wrote:we have two options:
1. make the game not need 24/7 babysitting(ha)
2. make the game not open 24/7(ha)
recognise it will always be a problem, attempt to make adminning more fun so that admins are online more often, be better about ignoring or rejecting shitty ahelps, grow a community culture of only ahelping in the most serious or egregious incidents and encourage admins to run more events and ignore players who complain about getting killed by admin events.
- DemonFiren
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
(ha)oranges wrote:Option 3iamgoofball wrote:we have two options:
1. make the game not need 24/7 babysitting(ha)
2. make the game not open 24/7(ha)
recognise it will always be a problem, attempt to make adminning more fun so that admins are online more often, be better about ignoring or rejecting shitty ahelps, grow a community culture of only ahelping in the most serious or egregious incidents and encourage admins to run more events and ignore players who complain about getting killed by admin events.
- Oldman Robustin
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Beautiful straw man.Arianya wrote:Funnily enough its nearly a year later and the server hasn't imploded from the absence of the Salt Requests.
Really makes you think...
The argument was never "THE SERVER IS GOING TO DIE WITHOUT BAN REQUESTS AHHHHH!!!!!"
It's more like "The server is going to suffer a material, but not irreparable, deterioration in the quality of our administration without the ability to request bans"
And the protesting users are absolutely right. Our policy is more of a joke than I've seen it in years. I came here so many years ago because /tg/station was a shining beacon of due process and intelligent administration. When one admin stepped out of line either in harshness or leniency, ban appeals and ban requests were the dual checks in place to keep those shitty decisions from running rampant.
This wouldn't be a big deal if we had headmins who gave a shit about one of their only responsibilities, but we dont, I haven't seen it since 2015. Policy is an afterthought and as our admin's views evolve on various subjects, the problems become more apparent as they diverge over time. At this point it feels like Trialmins are making 80% of the policy decisions on our server and while I have faith in some (Kevinz, Durkel) I also see absolute shit coming from others (Danno, Sawrge). Not an issue if we have strong headmins will to make decisive ruling about what is and isn't acceptable, but like I said we haven't had that for years.
This is the sort of problem that doesn't rear its head overnight, it slowly eats away at the quality of our administration's decisions and undermines confidence that admins will make consistent, thoughtful, and proper rulings. We've had to rely on the hub to keep Bagil and Sybil off life support in the past year, maybe its just a fluke, maybe we never needed the hub at all, or maybe its a sign that /tg/ is no longer able to attract players because of our server's reputation for quality and so we must rely on random people wandering in the front door to keep our population up.
It's just speculation at this point, I'm not willing to say that I'm 100% sure our server is suffering from this absence of care about our policy, but nobody should be willing to say "LOOK WE ARENT DEAD YET!!!" as proof that it never mattered in the first place. Colonial Marines has some of the shittiest policy I've ever seen on an SS13-related server, but they still pull ~120 people during primetime because its a simple mode that is promises lots of action and fun and has an endless supply of hub players scoping it out. Does that mean their administration deserves a pat on the back? Fuck no.
- danno
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Lmao I'm not a trialmin
fucking what
what policy decisions have I made
edit: I had to debate so fucking hard about deleting this post and running with this to fuck with you so hard
fucking what
what policy decisions have I made
edit: I had to debate so fucking hard about deleting this post and running with this to fuck with you so hard
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
as another sawrge alt i can confidently say that danno is not one the the sawrge alts that has been trialminned ty
- Qbopper
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Oldman Robustin posts should be closed
-they are a waste of time for the victim: Arguing for a week because you wrote an essay is a waste of time
-they are a waste of time for the accused: Arguing for a week because oldman posted is a waste of time
-they are a waste of time for the victim: Arguing for a week because you wrote an essay is a waste of time
-they are a waste of time for the accused: Arguing for a week because oldman posted is a waste of time
Limey wrote:its too late.
- danno
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
maybe he hasn't read it yet
should I delete it and tell him i'm gonna ban him
should I delete it and tell him i'm gonna ban him
- oranges
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
What you are seeing is a consequence of admin bus not hiring any admins for ages and ages until they realised all of a sudden they had barely any active fullmins and then they had to hire a bunch of people who are doing all the adminning work and do not have any training or experienceOldman Robustin wrote:At this point it feels like Trialmins are making 80% of the policy decisions on our server and while I have faith in some (Kevinz, Durkel) I also see absolute shit coming from others (Sawrge). Not an issue if we have strong headmins will to make decisive ruling about what is and isn't acceptable, but like I said we haven't had that for years.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
ITT: oranges gets removed from adminbus because none of the trialmins wanna put up with his bullshit :^)oranges wrote:What you are seeing is a consequence of admin bus not hiring any admins for ages and ages until they realised all of a sudden they had barely any active fullmins and then they had to hire a bunch of people who are doing all the adminning work and do not have any training or experienceOldman Robustin wrote:At this point it feels like Trialmins are making 80% of the policy decisions on our server and while I have faith in some (Kevinz, Durkel) I also see absolute shit coming from others (Sawrge). Not an issue if we have strong headmins will to make decisive ruling about what is and isn't acceptable, but like I said we haven't had that for years.
Limey wrote:its too late.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
I think a "tidy up" happened, I was in adminbus and admin forum for awhile now, even after i've gone AWOL. But now I seemed to be removed.
Also Qbopper, the thing is these days trail mins are treated as if they are already full admins. I can remember when trails couldn't actively trial if no other higher min was around, hence being trained. These days, from what I saw, very little training happens. More like handed the keys and told good luck. I'm not trying to assign blame here, but it definitely seems like something that needs working on.
Also Qbopper, the thing is these days trail mins are treated as if they are already full admins. I can remember when trails couldn't actively trial if no other higher min was around, hence being trained. These days, from what I saw, very little training happens. More like handed the keys and told good luck. I'm not trying to assign blame here, but it definitely seems like something that needs working on.
Whatever
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- tedward1337
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
The trialmin uprising needs to be stopped! /s
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- Qbopper
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
I wasn't given proper trialmin until lzi saw I had a handle on admin controls and had some idea of how to operate.peoplearestrange wrote:I think a "tidy up" happened, I was in adminbus and admin forum for awhile now, even after i've gone AWOL. But now I seemed to be removed.
Also Qbopper, the thing is these days trail mins are treated as if they are already full admins. I can remember when trails couldn't actively trial if no other higher min was around, hence being trained. These days, from what I saw, very little training happens. More like handed the keys and told good luck. I'm not trying to assign blame here, but it definitely seems like something that needs working on.
Limey wrote:its too late.
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No, I don't mean candidacy here. I mean actual Trialmin. The point of trail is not being competent in the admin tools (though that is part of it), but also HOW to properly admin, what needs to be looked at as a big picture. If you think admining is simply just banning RDMers and answering game mechanic questions then I don't think you understand the role fully.Qbopper wrote: I wasn't given proper trialmin until lzi saw I had a handle on admin controls and had some idea of how to operate.
Whatever
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
maybe candidates just have to be properly overseen for longer than just a few rounds
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- Qbopper
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
I misunderstood your post, sorry.peoplearestrange wrote:No, I don't mean candidacy here. I mean actual Trialmin. The point of trail is not being competent in the admin tools (though that is part of it), but also HOW to properly admin, what needs to be looked at as a big picture. If you think admining is simply just banning RDMers and answering game mechanic questions then I don't think you understand the role fully.Qbopper wrote: I wasn't given proper trialmin until lzi saw I had a handle on admin controls and had some idea of how to operate.
Limey wrote:its too late.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Even though I'm in nerd jail right now, I think the quality of general admin presence online is pretty high. It might run down to encouraging format to ahelps so folks don't just poop out "FUCKING NERDS HELP" whenever they're killed in combat. Typing them under the presumption that they're going in an inbox to be answered later would encourage people to be more articulate/explain more at the very least(maybe.).
In the 3-4 months I've been dicking around here I've never had an ahelp go unanswered & I definitely have the notes to prove others boops about me were never ignored.
That being said Ban Reqs and Ban Appeals are delicious reads. Glad it wasn't just me.
On admin energy, I've seen plenty of old posts about admins spiritedly building on the world (building their own shuttles, making npc bases, adding satellite spaces) and running events before -- have those policies/staff been gassed out?
In the 3-4 months I've been dicking around here I've never had an ahelp go unanswered & I definitely have the notes to prove others boops about me were never ignored.
That being said Ban Reqs and Ban Appeals are delicious reads. Glad it wasn't just me.
On admin energy, I've seen plenty of old posts about admins spiritedly building on the world (building their own shuttles, making npc bases, adding satellite spaces) and running events before -- have those policies/staff been gassed out?
- Saegrimr
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Those usually get outright ignored. Dumb vague shit that comes into IRC likeYBS wrote:It might run down to encouraging format to ahelps so folks don't just poop out "FUCKING NERDS HELP" whenever they're killed in combat.
"Was this valid"
"Can he do that?"
"Help i'm stuck"
"Being arrested for no reason"
Nobody bothers with those, for good reason.
It's always the young spritely trials and new admins that love doing that. I used to do it often and just got burnt out.YBS wrote:On admin energy, I've seen plenty of old posts about admins spiritedly building on the world (building their own shuttles, making npc bases, adding satellite spaces) and running events before -- have those policies/staff been gassed out?
That or you put in a shitton of time and effort to make something and some idiot lets lord singulo loose and calls the shuttle 10 minutes in.
Or you put in a shitton of time and effort and someone makes a bit nasty admin complaint and policy thread that spans 4 months that you're interfering with their round or something.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
It's already hard enough to get admins as is; proposal like having veteran trainer on with a trial at any given time is nice and all but seems improbable at this stage. Hell, sometimes it's hard enough as is getting just someone on that can train and someone who is being candidate on at the same time. It might have been more probable when things were simpler; one server, less players, and more active veteran admins that weren't bored or burnt out on the game.peoplearestrange wrote:I think a "tidy up" happened, I was in adminbus and admin forum for awhile now, even after i've gone AWOL. But now I seemed to be removed.
Also Qbopper, the thing is these days trail mins are treated as if they are already full admins. I can remember when trails couldn't actively trial if no other higher min was around, hence being trained. These days, from what I saw, very little training happens. More like handed the keys and told good luck. I'm not trying to assign blame here, but it definitely seems like something that needs working on.
As such, trials generally still learn watching other admins and consult with others through Asay and Adminbus on things they are not sure about. Generally right now, this is all part the growing pains with the turnover that has occurred.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Not fully related to this thread but I've noticed a interesting trend in some threads where you have two different levels of discussion happening, one small group of people actually remaining on topic and discussing the topic, and another larger group of people that just shit post and contribute nothing to the thread.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
Yeah, this usually happens in some form. I noticed how one of the discussions in the policy section suddenly diverged to ERP discussion for no raisinSteelpoint wrote:Not fully related to this thread but I've noticed a interesting trend in some threads where you have two different levels of discussion happening, one small group of people actually remaining on topic and discussing the topic, and another larger group of people that just shit post and contribute nothing to the thread.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
that's because it's easier for admins to declare a thread a shitposting zone and quarantine it to the hut instead of deleting the associated posts, so people can easily get a thread derailed.
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Re: Ban Requests has been closed
It's time to stop.
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