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This thread really makes you YikesDMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
When the worst people on tg station are against you, you know you're right.
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
>these people don't agree with me, they are clearly the worst and i'm the one correct
Thanks for all the dopamine.
You (cough), you haven't won here. You and your mutie-bastard friends are gonna join me in a big ol' mushroom cloud sendoff. I just triggered the self-destruct. (Heh, heh; cough, cough,...) The work will go on. You didn't do nothing here, 'cept seal your own death warrants. Duty, (cough) honor... courage... Semper Fiiiii........
You (cough), you haven't won here. You and your mutie-bastard friends are gonna join me in a big ol' mushroom cloud sendoff. I just triggered the self-destruct. (Heh, heh; cough, cough,...) The work will go on. You didn't do nothing here, 'cept seal your own death warrants. Duty, (cough) honor... courage... Semper Fiiiii........
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
I don't even play anymore. I took my own advice about the "don't like the decisions the people in power are making? leave" and...well, left. I only come to the forums to laugh (and occasionally take part in) hilarious stupidity.
uhhh hey guys its me Kor Phaerooin
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Sticky's right in that it's a questionable staffing decision but headmins have no reason to care about this giant disney copyright infringement called a "server" that was dropped in their laps to troll people with sprites we don't have permission to use.
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Let’s get this thread to 800 replies like the vegan one
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Honestly I feel like this thread needs to have a Nervere response. As much as it is a Sticky rage thread I think that since he's decided to throw shit into the air that we should hear justification if at the least to shut everyone up.
TL;DR: DMCA was a mistake
TL;DR: DMCA was a mistake
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
I said this in adminbus but this is all playing out remarkably like NTStation, which as we all recall ended poorly and quickly.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
If you care about sprites changing you won't like this change because the new head has been the most consistent voice against the sprite changes since the beginningLazengann wrote:Sticky's right in that it's a questionable staffing decision but headmins have no reason to care about this giant disney copyright infringement called a "server" that was dropped in their laps to troll people with sprites we don't have permission to use.
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
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The broccoli has gone to his head
He’s going baked like my green giant assorted vegies package when I put it in the microwave
He’s going baked like my green giant assorted vegies package when I put it in the microwave
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
dmca was never /tg/ community they are just cm rejects + pubbies
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
All I request is greater transparency in the future, at least to the staff of tg to discuss stuff like this instead of deciding unilaterally since the other headmins are distanced from DMCA as a whole; our administration is best when we're a team, obscuring information appears to be the core point of the anger from Sticky here and I think it's perfectly valid.
I'm not taking a side on the DMCA thing because personality I think it's a horrible horrible pitfire, but I'm discussing the precedent that this is setting for our current leadership to not talk to their team.
I'm not taking a side on the DMCA thing because personality I think it's a horrible horrible pitfire, but I'm discussing the precedent that this is setting for our current leadership to not talk to their team.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
To piggyback on this. I do think that this was an improper use of tgs-leads and it should have been at the very least discussed in Adminbus proper.oranges wrote:that's okay we didn't see it either because it happened in the tgs-leads channel
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
It's hardly a temper tantrum, you seem more upset that he made a thread complaining about something than he does about the whole DMCA thingvcordie wrote:and they're appointing people who aren't a part of the traditional /tg/ hierarchy to handle things, hence Sticky's temper tantrum.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Anyone who actually played on the server for more than one round would know this to be true.Tlaltecuhtli wrote:dmca was never /tg/ community they are just cm rejects + pubbies
thankfully former admin
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 27&t=20553
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 27&t=20553
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
why did Francium not get in any trouble for the metacommunications incident? Just curious because shadowlight got deadminned over it, so clearly fault was established
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@wyzack something something admins are supposed to be held to a higher standard/I don’t have an actual reason
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
I really hope you don't mean me here. I'm assuming you are acting on good faith, not spreading deliberate misinformation.Stickymayhem wrote:If you care about sprites changing you won't like this change because the new head has been the most consistent voice against the sprite changes since the beginning
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
He probably means the headmin, but thats even more retarded cause you're the project lead.Rohesie wrote:I really hope you don't mean me here. I'm assuming you are acting on good faith, not spreading deliberate misinformation.Stickymayhem wrote:If you care about sprites changing you won't like this change because the new head has been the most consistent voice against the sprite changes since the beginning
Thanks for all the dopamine.
You (cough), you haven't won here. You and your mutie-bastard friends are gonna join me in a big ol' mushroom cloud sendoff. I just triggered the self-destruct. (Heh, heh; cough, cough,...) The work will go on. You didn't do nothing here, 'cept seal your own death warrants. Duty, (cough) honor... courage... Semper Fiiiii........
You (cough), you haven't won here. You and your mutie-bastard friends are gonna join me in a big ol' mushroom cloud sendoff. I just triggered the self-destruct. (Heh, heh; cough, cough,...) The work will go on. You didn't do nothing here, 'cept seal your own death warrants. Duty, (cough) honor... courage... Semper Fiiiii........
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
The administration for DMCA should be the people most committed to creating a good experience for DMCA players. That's basic. All of this horseshit about The Process and who deserves it more is irrelevant. Are the actual players happy with the status quo or are they pushing for a change?
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
No idea because everything was done by one person in total secret.Bob Dobbington wrote:The administration for DMCA should be the people most committed to creating a good experience for DMCA players. That's basic. All of this horseshit about The Process and who deserves it more is irrelevant. Are the actual players happy with the status quo or are they pushing for a change?
Perhaps we could gauge the opinion of the players we work for with some kind of "internet poll", determining who rules them by "polling" the population to find out who they think serves their interests best.
We could call it something random like, I dunno, an election? That has a nice ring to it.
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
An election in a brand new community that goes up on weekends? Hmm....Stickymayhem wrote:No idea because everything was done by one person in total secret.Bob Dobbington wrote:The administration for DMCA should be the people most committed to creating a good experience for DMCA players. That's basic. All of this horseshit about The Process and who deserves it more is irrelevant. Are the actual players happy with the status quo or are they pushing for a change?
Perhaps we could gauge the opinion of the players we work for with some kind of "internet poll", determining who rules them by "polling" the population to find out who they think serves their interests best.
We could call it something random like, I dunno, an election? That has a nice ring to it.
Its not as if nerv deadminned every admin who disagrees with him, he hired two dedicated people who obviously care for the community. Also when did the Francinum deadminship occur? Weren’t you just preaching that Elyina’s old feedback is irrelevant due to its age?
Ok so from what I can tell he was candidated in June 2016, and failed. So >2 year old feedback. Sure its not 4 years but....
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
That feedback was twice as old and about policy back then, Elyina didn't break any rules or cheat. Elyina is also going through the correct process to determine if they're right to be a game admin. Francinum skipped this. Entirely different situation.wesoda25 wrote:An election in a brand new community that goes up on weekends? Hmm....Stickymayhem wrote:No idea because everything was done by one person in total secret.Bob Dobbington wrote:The administration for DMCA should be the people most committed to creating a good experience for DMCA players. That's basic. All of this horseshit about The Process and who deserves it more is irrelevant. Are the actual players happy with the status quo or are they pushing for a change?
Perhaps we could gauge the opinion of the players we work for with some kind of "internet poll", determining who rules them by "polling" the population to find out who they think serves their interests best.
We could call it something random like, I dunno, an election? That has a nice ring to it.
Its not as if nerv deadminned every admin who disagrees with him, he hired two dedicated people who obviously care for the community. Also when did the Francinum deadminship occur? Weren’t you just preaching that Elyina’s old feedback is irrelevant due to its age?
Ok so from what I can tell he was candidated in June 2016, and failed. So >2 year old feedback. Sure its not 4 years but....
If you think the community is going to be a twice weekly test server forever you don't know what's going on
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Francinum was candidated in June 2016 apparently and failed. He barely knew why according to old conversations I had with them. I believe the reason is 'poor people skills.' Later on, Francinum got into trouble because he talked with an admin that metacommed. I think this was one year ago in 2017.wesoda25 wrote: Its not as if nerv deadminned every admin who disagrees with him, he hired two dedicated people who obviously care for the community. Also when did the Francinum deadminship occur? Weren’t you just preaching that Elyina’s old feedback is irrelevant due to its age?
Ok so from what I can tell he was candidated in June 2016, and failed. So >2 year old feedback. Sure its not 4 years but....
If Francinum was banned for metacomming back then then they would probably be unbanned right now. If Francinum is believed to be innocent and it's just a bunch of people going "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION IS VALID" that disagree or you just don't care about it then the only remaining criticism is Francinum's trialminship. Two years is enough to change your attitude or acquire wisdom though.
I feel like this thread is just crocodile tears.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
I'll start this post by introducing my perspective as an incoming headmin. With Rustledjimm no longer a headmin and unfortunately stepping away from DMCA/SS13, it became the issue for us new headmins to decide its future and how it should be managed. Neither of the other headmins seemed particularly interested in DMCA, and to be fair I hadn't been involved much either. I took it upon myself to find a solution to DMCA's management issue, because without Rustledjimm, there was no one to lead the server at all besides Ninjanomnom with the codebase. To make a long story short, I found that there were three finalist candidates to lead the server: Rohesie, Francinum, and Stickymayhem. Why these people? All three candidates had demonstrated an investment in the project to some degree or another, and had experience in administrative matters related to DMCA. I didn't consider Ninjanomnom because his interest only in coding and doesn't want a part in the administration of the server.
What I had in mind in considering these three candidates was the division of DMCA management to be two-fold: one person would manage the direction of the server (as much as possible being an administrator, most of this is up to code), policy, server growth, and server organization. This role is what I called "DMCA manager." The other would be the "DMCA Lead Administrator", the individual in charge of recruiting new staff, conducting staff training, and ensuring a quality administration. I described this to Sticky as a 60/40 split of responsibilities, but a 50/50 split of authority. Looking back, the way I managed these roles was quite stupid. The DMCA Manager role implies a degree of authority over the codebase that it doesn't have, and the roles of Manager and Lead Administrator have a lot of overlapping responsibilities. Enough similarities, in fact, that it would probably be better to make it a single role assigned to both individuals I picked, something more along the lines of, "DMCA Headmin." This caused more confusion than it would have had I just named it that, so I apologize for the confusion and vagueness caused by that. I will concede that part of this was that I wanted to avoid the term, "headmin." There's still disagreement on what exactly DMCA will become, and headmin implies a degree of separation that might not necessarily exist yet.
Anyway, I've gotten a bit sidetracked discussing the roles and what they mean. Let's get back to the people I chose: of the three finalist candidates I considered, I chose Rohesie to be the DMCA Manager and Francinum as the Lead Administrator.
Why them? To start, Rohesie had been heavily involved with DMCA near the beginning. He worked closely with RustledJimm to get the server organized and playable, he is well-immersed and in-touch with the people who play DMCA, he has been involved with nearly every time the server has been up on the weekends. Rustled had given him a role to this effect while he was still headmin - I believe the role was called Helper - which was effectively an administrative rank. His contributions to the codebase, the community, and his work as an admin on the server proved to me that he was right for the job. Stickymayhem makes the claim that Rohesie is some sort of disliked figure within DMCA, or has some sort of outlandish vision for the server, but that simply isn't true. In my conversations with him, he seemed to agree that DMCA would be a server distinct from both CM and /tg/, though incorporating many elements from both. It's not that this vision matters entirely, because Rohesie is not the dictator of DMCA and he's only a maintainer - any drastic code changes would have to go through Ninjanomnom, DMCA's head maintainer. It seems disingenuous and quite frankly an attempt at fearmongering that Rohesie is going to "ruin" DMCA because he doesn't quite align with Sticky's vision for the server. Rohesie is experienced with CM, he's very competent, and I'm confident in my choice.
As for Francinum, I was very well-aware of his history when considering him, and even with that considered he was still the best pick for DMCA. I'll address those in a bit.
Firstly, why I chose him: Francinum had been a moderator and, later, a senior moderator for DMCA. He had good experience as a DMCA staff, and he had worked with me to identify and select new candidates for the DMCA staffing team, which has gone well so far (DMCA staff had to be given ranks by the headmins). Whenever I got a ping about DMCA, you could bet that it was Francinum pinging me, because he always wanted to have discussions with me about his views on the server and its future. This showed me his level of dedication to the project and its administration, and for his contributions, vision, and work as an admin, I selected him for the role. I know there are some concerns about Francinum's history on /tg/, allow me to address them. The two concerns are that, at one point, Francinum didn't move on to TrialAdmin during his time as an AdminCandidate. This was a pretty long time ago as far as I'm concerned, and I don't think that incident has any relevance, more than two years later, on his ability to be in a leadership position on DMCA. He has, evident by my positive experiences with him, changed a lot during this time. The second concern was the incident he had with Shadowlight213, something more recent. This doesn't look great on him, but the two things I considered that made me look beyond it was that
a.) both Rustledjimm and I had come to agreement that he had grown as an individual and regretted what happened, and b.) a substantial amount of time had passed since this happened.
If you're wondering why I didn't choose Sticky for either of these roles, the answer is rather simple. While Sticky was involved with the server initially, I saw no involvement on his part in the server beyond the first week or two. He had no contributions to the DMCA codebase, no prior experience with CM as far as I can tell, and his only recent forms of participation were him acting as an "ideas guy" for the lore of DMCA in the #DMCA-lorebus channel on Discord. DMCA has a lot of stuff that needs to get done - sprites that should probably get changed, code that needs fixing, tools that need developing. Sticky didn't seem very interested or clued-in on any of this. The last thing DMCA needs is a man that is 100% ideas, 0% action running the show. Even in the field of DMCA administration, Stickymayhem wouldn't have been a great candidate. He doesn't have the experience I would like to have seen in CM administration or policy. He doesn't seem to speak in the staff channels too often, either, compared to Francinum who has been plenty active.
Why not elections?
The DMCA community and staff is small and far-spread. We neither had the time nor the reason to run elections when the safer and more efficient choice was to appoint people.
On transparency
I disagree with what most of Sticky has said here, but he's absolutely right that I wasn't transparent about this at all, and it's perhaps my biggest failure with my decisions with DMCA.
Discussion on this have mostly been in #headmin-bus and #tgs-leads (the GameMaster + HeadAdmin channel), and that's contradictory to my promise to be completely open with my actions as a headmin.
For that, I do deeply apologize. I should have been more open with the admins and the community what was going on. I attribute it to my zeal as a new headmin to get things done quickly and efficiently, but that's no excuse to have kept people in the dark.
I would also like to apologize for my rather late reply to the thread - I have been quite preoccupied the past day or so. Please ask me any questions you have about all of this, I'll do my best to reply in a timely matter.
What I had in mind in considering these three candidates was the division of DMCA management to be two-fold: one person would manage the direction of the server (as much as possible being an administrator, most of this is up to code), policy, server growth, and server organization. This role is what I called "DMCA manager." The other would be the "DMCA Lead Administrator", the individual in charge of recruiting new staff, conducting staff training, and ensuring a quality administration. I described this to Sticky as a 60/40 split of responsibilities, but a 50/50 split of authority. Looking back, the way I managed these roles was quite stupid. The DMCA Manager role implies a degree of authority over the codebase that it doesn't have, and the roles of Manager and Lead Administrator have a lot of overlapping responsibilities. Enough similarities, in fact, that it would probably be better to make it a single role assigned to both individuals I picked, something more along the lines of, "DMCA Headmin." This caused more confusion than it would have had I just named it that, so I apologize for the confusion and vagueness caused by that. I will concede that part of this was that I wanted to avoid the term, "headmin." There's still disagreement on what exactly DMCA will become, and headmin implies a degree of separation that might not necessarily exist yet.
Anyway, I've gotten a bit sidetracked discussing the roles and what they mean. Let's get back to the people I chose: of the three finalist candidates I considered, I chose Rohesie to be the DMCA Manager and Francinum as the Lead Administrator.
Why them? To start, Rohesie had been heavily involved with DMCA near the beginning. He worked closely with RustledJimm to get the server organized and playable, he is well-immersed and in-touch with the people who play DMCA, he has been involved with nearly every time the server has been up on the weekends. Rustled had given him a role to this effect while he was still headmin - I believe the role was called Helper - which was effectively an administrative rank. His contributions to the codebase, the community, and his work as an admin on the server proved to me that he was right for the job. Stickymayhem makes the claim that Rohesie is some sort of disliked figure within DMCA, or has some sort of outlandish vision for the server, but that simply isn't true. In my conversations with him, he seemed to agree that DMCA would be a server distinct from both CM and /tg/, though incorporating many elements from both. It's not that this vision matters entirely, because Rohesie is not the dictator of DMCA and he's only a maintainer - any drastic code changes would have to go through Ninjanomnom, DMCA's head maintainer. It seems disingenuous and quite frankly an attempt at fearmongering that Rohesie is going to "ruin" DMCA because he doesn't quite align with Sticky's vision for the server. Rohesie is experienced with CM, he's very competent, and I'm confident in my choice.
As for Francinum, I was very well-aware of his history when considering him, and even with that considered he was still the best pick for DMCA. I'll address those in a bit.
Firstly, why I chose him: Francinum had been a moderator and, later, a senior moderator for DMCA. He had good experience as a DMCA staff, and he had worked with me to identify and select new candidates for the DMCA staffing team, which has gone well so far (DMCA staff had to be given ranks by the headmins). Whenever I got a ping about DMCA, you could bet that it was Francinum pinging me, because he always wanted to have discussions with me about his views on the server and its future. This showed me his level of dedication to the project and its administration, and for his contributions, vision, and work as an admin, I selected him for the role. I know there are some concerns about Francinum's history on /tg/, allow me to address them. The two concerns are that, at one point, Francinum didn't move on to TrialAdmin during his time as an AdminCandidate. This was a pretty long time ago as far as I'm concerned, and I don't think that incident has any relevance, more than two years later, on his ability to be in a leadership position on DMCA. He has, evident by my positive experiences with him, changed a lot during this time. The second concern was the incident he had with Shadowlight213, something more recent. This doesn't look great on him, but the two things I considered that made me look beyond it was that
a.) both Rustledjimm and I had come to agreement that he had grown as an individual and regretted what happened, and b.) a substantial amount of time had passed since this happened.
If you're wondering why I didn't choose Sticky for either of these roles, the answer is rather simple. While Sticky was involved with the server initially, I saw no involvement on his part in the server beyond the first week or two. He had no contributions to the DMCA codebase, no prior experience with CM as far as I can tell, and his only recent forms of participation were him acting as an "ideas guy" for the lore of DMCA in the #DMCA-lorebus channel on Discord. DMCA has a lot of stuff that needs to get done - sprites that should probably get changed, code that needs fixing, tools that need developing. Sticky didn't seem very interested or clued-in on any of this. The last thing DMCA needs is a man that is 100% ideas, 0% action running the show. Even in the field of DMCA administration, Stickymayhem wouldn't have been a great candidate. He doesn't have the experience I would like to have seen in CM administration or policy. He doesn't seem to speak in the staff channels too often, either, compared to Francinum who has been plenty active.
Why not elections?
The DMCA community and staff is small and far-spread. We neither had the time nor the reason to run elections when the safer and more efficient choice was to appoint people.
On transparency
I disagree with what most of Sticky has said here, but he's absolutely right that I wasn't transparent about this at all, and it's perhaps my biggest failure with my decisions with DMCA.
Discussion on this have mostly been in #headmin-bus and #tgs-leads (the GameMaster + HeadAdmin channel), and that's contradictory to my promise to be completely open with my actions as a headmin.
For that, I do deeply apologize. I should have been more open with the admins and the community what was going on. I attribute it to my zeal as a new headmin to get things done quickly and efficiently, but that's no excuse to have kept people in the dark.
I would also like to apologize for my rather late reply to the thread - I have been quite preoccupied the past day or so. Please ask me any questions you have about all of this, I'll do my best to reply in a timely matter.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
TL;DR
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
u, francinum, and rohesie were consideredStickymayhem wrote:TL;DR
francinum and rohesie did more than you
francinum and rohesie got ranks
also yes francinum's history was considered
unga bunga attachments unga bunga
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
tl;dr for stickyCitrusGender wrote:too long of a post
think
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
>beg for explanation and transparencyStickymayhem wrote:TL;DR
>get it
>dont read it
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
K sticky I was commenting on the fact that its a brand new community that has barely even been up so an election doesn’t make sense. No one even knows each other well yet.Stickymayhem wrote:That feedback was twice as old and about policy back then, Elyina didn't break any rules or cheat. Elyina is also going through the correct process to determine if they're right to be a game admin. Francinum skipped this. Entirely different situation.wesoda25 wrote:An election in a brand new community that goes up on weekends? Hmm....Stickymayhem wrote:No idea because everything was done by one person in total secret.Bob Dobbington wrote:The administration for DMCA should be the people most committed to creating a good experience for DMCA players. That's basic. All of this horseshit about The Process and who deserves it more is irrelevant. Are the actual players happy with the status quo or are they pushing for a change?
Perhaps we could gauge the opinion of the players we work for with some kind of "internet poll", determining who rules them by "polling" the population to find out who they think serves their interests best.
We could call it something random like, I dunno, an election? That has a nice ring to it.
Its not as if nerv deadminned every admin who disagrees with him, he hired two dedicated people who obviously care for the community. Also when did the Francinum deadminship occur? Weren’t you just preaching that Elyina’s old feedback is irrelevant due to its age?
Ok so from what I can tell he was candidated in June 2016, and failed. So >2 year old feedback. Sure its not 4 years but....
If you think the community is going to be a twice weekly test server forever you don't know what's going on
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Your biggest failure is in supporting this unethical cockfight of MSO's in the first placeNervere wrote: and it's perhaps my biggest failure with my decisions with DMCA.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
>power grab
thankfully former admin
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 27&t=20553
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 27&t=20553
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Nilons wrote:>beg for explanation and transparencyStickymayhem wrote:TL;DR
>get it
>dont read it
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
not to emptyquote, and I still think this is poorly handled and headed toward a fizzling out like NTStation/planetstation/etc, but thisSaveVatznick wrote:Nilons wrote:>beg for explanation and transparencyStickymayhem wrote:TL;DR
>get it
>dont read it
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
To be fair, from my perspective at least, DMCA was in some way marketed as a temporary meme server in the first week or two of its existence. Many people seemed to react to it the same way they would if, for instance, tg were to have made a goon server for the fun of it after the goon leak back in 2016. By the time it was made clear that it was to become a serious project and permanent server, there wasn't much of a crew left. It seems many of these issues and conflicts could be avoided/solved if everyone who stills cares for the existence of this server were to sit down and have a full and transparent discussion about what their goals are for this server so that these thoughts can be brought to the relevant authorities, already pre-discussed and constructed, so they can be more fluidly put in action.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Given that DMCA is 100% ideas and 0% action I don't know why you'd think this.Nervere wrote: The last thing DMCA needs is a man that is 100% ideas, 0% action running the show.
Stop wasting so much time arguing over MSO's rage server that he made because he got banned from CM's discord and lets get back to our own shit.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
I think this is what it comes down to and partially why DMCA independence is important. A good amount of tg's current community and staff had little interest in DMCA. But because of the previous issues stated, it was never able to grow into its own thing and tg's current administrative staff was stuck dealing with something they have no interest in nor agreed to handle in the first place. This leads to situations that are not fair to anyone involved nor help to fix the issues or allow for DMCA to grow into something. If we are to get past all of this, those who still care for DMCA as a thing need to step up, communicate with each other, and figure out what their plan is so that the appropriate steps towards DMCA's growth, and ideally, independence can be made. Because otherwise the only other solution that will solve all this drama and needless stress is to drop the server entirely. I wish it the best of luck, but I think its time that those with little interest in this undeveloped project stop getting dragged into its problems.oranges wrote: Stop wasting so much time arguing over MSO's rage server that he made because he got banned from CM's discord and lets get back to our own shit.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
all we had to do:
- replace the marines with sec officers and give them officer armor
- replace any other sprites with stuff that makes sense
- replace xenomorphs with abductors where they have a poncho and sombrero which determines their caste, rank, etc
instead we got:
- tl;dr of nervere's post please
- idea guys
- a ex-headmin in a fucking hospital
you had one job.
one. job.
- replace the marines with sec officers and give them officer armor
- replace any other sprites with stuff that makes sense
- replace xenomorphs with abductors where they have a poncho and sombrero which determines their caste, rank, etc
instead we got:
- tl;dr of nervere's post please
- idea guys
- a ex-headmin in a fucking hospital
you had one job.
one. job.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Petition to work on a new server called Colmfaonial Mayyyrines?Ayy Lemoh wrote:all we had to do:
- replace the marines with sec officers and give them officer armor
- replace any other sprites with stuff that makes sense
- replace xenomorphs with abductors where they have a poncho and sombrero which determines their caste, rank, etc
instead we got:
- tl;dr of nervere's post please
- idea guys
- a ex-headmin in a fucking hospital
you had one job.
one. job.
I've escaped this hell community.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Finally someone shows some sense here.Ayy Lemoh wrote:all we had to do:
- replace the marines with sec officers and give them officer armor
- replace any other sprites with stuff that makes sense
- replace xenomorphs with abductors where they have a poncho and sombrero which determines their caste, rank, etc
instead we got:
- tl;dr of nervere's post please
- idea guys
- a ex-headmin in a fucking hospital
you had one job.
one. job.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
This is the true Meta, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.Nilons wrote:>beg for explanation and transparencyStickymayhem wrote:TL;DR
>get it
>dont read it
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
this thread is now destined for the salt
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Piss off ghosts
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
my god is that sticky acknowledging the very concept that i've been preaching for the past five years?
it's like maybe i was right all along.
it's like maybe i was right all along.
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
what is all this shit
what's happening
why do people argue about power over a poorly coded low graphics roleplaying video game
also can i have antag token pls
what's happening
why do people argue about power over a poorly coded low graphics roleplaying video game
also can i have antag token pls
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
Jesus necro batman
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Re: DMCA is no longer /tg/, Nervere has killed it
uwuNikNakFlak wrote:Jesus necro batman
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