Trialmin Review: Space Inaba

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Trialmin Review: Space Inaba

Postby Armhulen » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:11 pm #371132

They've been a trial admin for ~~~2 months let's see how they did

Please use this thread as public review; it's encouraged for players to comment on how well/badly the trial admin has done and whether or not they think the trial admin should be made a full admin, if they should be removed from the .txt or if their promotion should be delayed.
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Limski » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:51 pm #371185

PROMOTE HES GOOD PLEASE YES

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Shadowlight213 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:52 pm #371187

Delay or demote.

Delay as they have admitted that they don't know how many admin tools work.

Demote as despite being told not to, spawn megafauna.

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Qbopper » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:54 pm #371189

Shadowlight213 wrote:Delay as they have admitted that they don't know how many admin tools work.


no comment re: megafauna but again i have managed to be admin for months and have little to no experience with tools beyond the common ones/administration stuff

we need to be teaching admins better (though there was some posts in the admin forums about resolving this)
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Okand37 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:10 pm #371214

Shadowlight213 wrote:Delay or demote.

Delay as they have admitted that they don't know how many admin tools work.

Demote as despite being told not to, spawn megafauna.

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This looks like they spawned it at round end which, last I checked, isn't really an issue. We've spawned megafauna at Centcom at the end of the round before, why would now suddenly be an exception to demote them?

As for their lack of knowledge of the tools, it's hard to view this in a negative light as their admintrainer was not actively around to train them. For the most part, you don't actually need to know what a lot of the tools do so long as you know the basics (Player Panel, View Variables, Investigate, Admin PMs, Logs, Etc.) as most of them you can learn as you go or require to learn it via encounter. I would however, stress that its important to know what admin tools they don't know and which they do before that can really be taken into consideration.

I do not have any particular qualms with delaying it if they do not know a majority of the buttons, but I think a demotion is outright excessive to ask. I have not had any chances to view their administrative work, however, so bear that in mind.
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Shadowlight213 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:16 pm #371219

As far as I was and am aware, the policy is regardless of round end or not. That was the policy decided by Kor back when they were added, and I am not aware of them changing it.

If it was changed in the intervening time, then I apologize.

Edit: After talking with them, I guess what I remember as the policy is different from what most admins are told, so I retract that.

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Qbmax32 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:19 pm #371224

Excellent admin, always quick to answer ahelps and has been a pleasure to work with in my limited time as an admin.
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Armhulen » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:27 pm #371225

Kor said end round doesn't matter and spawning megafauna is allowed.
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Rustledjimm » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:45 pm #371243

SpaceInaba has the perfect mindset as an admin. They're a great and friendly person. I wish they were more confident in themselves sometimes is my only criticism.

The lack of training is less a fault of Inaba more a fault of the people supposed to train admins. Perhaps Shadow you should be complaining to the trainers rather than blaming Inaba for any lack of knowledge?
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Shadowlight213 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:55 pm #371253

Armhulen wrote:Kor said end round doesn't matter and spawning megafauna is allowed.


First I've heard about this. Thanks for letting me know. Apologies on recommending a demote then.


Rustledjimm wrote:The lack of training is less a fault of Inaba more a fault of the people supposed to train admins. Perhaps Shadow you should be complaining to the trainers rather than blaming Inaba for any lack of knowledge?


That's been brought up in discussion a number of times before and not much has come of it.
I suppose admins taking the initiative to learn everything they could about what the tools let them do isn't a thing anymore. Isn't that what a trialmin is supposed to do? I mean, beyond the basic stuff on banning I learned most of the tools myself while trialminned.

Perhaps I'm being too unreasonable comparing people to my own trial.

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Rustledjimm » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:13 pm #371256

Shadowlight213 wrote:I suppose admins taking the initiative to learn everything they could about what the tools let them do isn't a thing anymore. Isn't that what a trialmin is supposed to do? I mean, beyond the basic stuff on banning I learned most of the tools myself while trialminned.

Perhaps I'm being too unreasonable comparing people to my own trial.


Not everyone knows exactly what is required to be an admin. There are certain tools that I was taught that I have not used yet, if I hadn't been taught them I wouldn't even think they were required possibly until I came across a situation what required them (which hasn't happened in my two months for certain things as I've said).

I don't think it's fair to expect a trialmin to know what they should know, that is what we have trainers for. How are they supposed to know they need a certain bit of knowledge/information if nobody has told them it will be relevant?
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby BeeSting12 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:15 pm #371258

Space Inaba definitely has the mindset to be admin and hasn't made any major fuckups so far. If he wants, I can teach him stuff he doesnt know. Other than that, I'd say promote or delay. He can always learn more buttons. I learn new stuff frequently too.
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby onleavedontatme » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:19 am #371287

We can teach buttons, much more interested in mindset/rulings.

Kinda concerned about this note they left though

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby captain sawrge » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:30 am #371289

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Pepper » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:36 am #371319

I'll preface this post by saying that me and Inaba have a long history, and in his eyes a bad history. that being said, I recognize the issues he holds with me and have attempted to resolve them with him over the past few months after coming back into contact with him for the first time in a year; however, despite my multiple attempts to reach out to him to lay our grievances to rest, Inaba responds by either lying, throwing insults, and banning me from his unrelated personal discord just to take a petty jab at me. Unfortunately, Inaba has repeatedly refused to let a 3 year standing grudge rest when approached about it in the most civil way within my ability.

Holding unresolvable grudges against players can have a detriment on his personal administration, along with the potential power his influence holds over other members of the admin team, especially admin candidates and the newer trialmins. It would not surprise me if Inaba held similar grudges against other players in the future. The major concern here is Inaba bad mouthing me via direct messages to the point where it has an effect, even a subtle one where I might receive a harsher punishment than otherwise because the administrator doing the judgement has heard about my through Inaba or through someone who has relayed the way he speaks about me. While that may seem like a stretch, rumors can very easily spread like wildfire and be blown to a bigger proportion than what was originally said.

I understand that it could be concluded that an admin's disgruntlement toward you is not something players would have to worry about if they behave. However, much like the way notes are used to create harsher punishments for applicable players, an administrator who knows a party involved in a ticket as a bad player or bad person, they are more inclined to use information about a player’s character or personality in their judgement. I am lucky enough to have a completely clean record. Many players who Inaba could potentially hold a grudge toward cannot say the same, however.

Once again, I believe that he has a habit of holding grudges that he refuses to give up, and uses them to jab at whomever it’s held against. I don’t think I’m the first person he’s done this to and I definitely won’t be the last. I would rather have spoken to him privately to resolve this before it became a problem, but he’s disabled messages, giving me no choice but to speak about this ongoing conflict here.


There are a few relevant statistics relating to Space Inaba’s trial term. Particularly to compare the activity and administration activity to a trialmin who began just a few weeks after him - CitrusGender. In the past 30 days, Citrus has connected a total of 212 times. Compared to Inaba, who has a grand total of 139 connections. Citrus, whose trial period started weeks after Inaba’s has around 75 more connections than him. However, I’m going to chalk down connection issues and say that many of those were just reconnects, giving them about the same level of activity. However, despite similar levels of activity on the server, Citrus has given out more than 3 times as many notes as Inaba has, bringing Citrus’s note count to a respectable 114 and Inaba’s to just 29, despite Inaba’s head start.

I am not convinced that the inconsistency in the two’s admin activity is due to Inaba’s inexperience with the admin buttons. This is mostly due to number of notes he’s given out; doing something 29 times is more than enough to be familiarized with it. He had a period of two months to ask questions to trainers and other administrators if he was unsure enough to the point that he could not do his job. Besides, if he knows how to spawn ash drakes on centcomm, he should be more than capable of properly administering notes and answering tickets. Personally, I think the noticeable lack of him doing his job is due to his behavior of making quick decisions whilst perpetually avoiding the consequences of them: confrontation and justifying his actions. If I’m correct, the reason he does not admin is not because he does not know the tools, but instead knows the tools full well, but refuses to use them because he does not want to be held responsible for his own judgments, good or bad.

To conclude, I do not think Space Inaba is a bad person by any stretch of the imagination. I hold no justification or motive to inherently hate his character, and would prefer the option of resolving our differences and leaving our sour past behind. But he refused to give me that option. The point of this post is not to frame him as a bad person, but I know how infuriating it can be for a player to deal with an admin who has a bias towards them or does not care about doing their job. He is a good person, but is not fit for this kind of responsibility. For that reason, I cannot reliably recommend that Space Inaba be promoted to game admin.
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Okand37 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:06 am #371329

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Rustledjimm » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:32 am #371343

Gook Nukem wrote:tl;dr I was a dick to someone and they won't forgive me despite me not showing any remorse or change, don't make them admin
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby IkeTG » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:23 am #371355

I've seen Inaba often admining late night sybil, since I only play at obtuse hours. It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. I respect that. I'm not sure if a lack of training is a good reason to delay, since I know next to nothing about admin tools, but in my honest opinion I don't see much harm coming from promoting him; his heart seems to be in the right place.

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby TehSteveo » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:57 am #371357

Shadowlight213 wrote:As far as I was and am aware, the policy is regardless of round end or not. That was the policy decided by Kor back when they were added, and I am not aware of them changing it.

If it was changed in the intervening time, then I apologize.

Edit: After talking with them, I guess what I remember as the policy is different from what most admins are told, so I retract that.
Policy changes after the admin spawned variable became a thing. Toggled, it doesn't affect stat tracking. Before then it was a hardstop for megafauna spawns due to tracking.
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby John_Oxford » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:20 am #371460

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Shadowlight213 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:40 am #371506

TehSteveo wrote:
Shadowlight213 wrote:As far as I was and am aware, the policy is regardless of round end or not. That was the policy decided by Kor back when they were added, and I am not aware of them changing it.

If it was changed in the intervening time, then I apologize.

Edit: After talking with them, I guess what I remember as the policy is different from what most admins are told, so I retract that.
Policy changes after the admin spawned variable became a thing. Toggled, it doesn't affect stat tracking. Before then it was a hardstop for megafauna spawns due to tracking.



I literally was the person who coded all megafauna tracking, including the admin spawned variable, which afaik was in the same pr.

I wasn't made aware of a policy change, and I was headmin at the time as well.

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby oranges » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:50 pm #371522

nobody cares, stat tracking is shit, stop pretending like megafauna kills matter, nobody is actively balancing lavaland

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby TehSteveo » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:24 pm #371526

Shadowlight213 wrote:
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Shadowlight213 wrote:As far as I was and am aware, the policy is regardless of round end or not. That was the policy decided by Kor back when they were added, and I am not aware of them changing it.

If it was changed in the intervening time, then I apologize.

Edit: After talking with them, I guess what I remember as the policy is different from what most admins are told, so I retract that.
Policy changes after the admin spawned variable became a thing. Toggled, it doesn't affect stat tracking. Before then it was a hardstop for megafauna spawns due to tracking.



I literally was the person who coded all megafauna tracking, including the admin spawned variable, which afaik was in the same pr.

I wasn't made aware of a policy change, and I was headmin at the time as well.
It wasn't. It came in later after complaints about not being able to use them for fun because they'd be logged as legit.

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby lmwevil » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:59 am #371855

Never had any issues, good attitude and generally chill person.

Ruins cute girls with demonic mouths, should be full admin, sadistic and a monster.

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Re: Space Inaba

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby onleavedontatme » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:22 am #372394

Admins can't spawn megafuna because

1. They're basically player controlled singularities. We don't let people do that for reasons I hope are obvious. Basically a single person is playing at that point.

2. Weaker versions are a very rare PVE reward. There is no reason to do PVE or your job or whatever if you can just beg admins to skip to the endgame

3. Don't want to spend a thousand hours or whatever coding some big thing for players to interact with and figure out to have it run into the ground by bored admins within 15 minutes as """""event"""" fodder

I cared about the stat tracking in the beginning when I needed a better idea of how often these things were being killed but we fixed that issue by making adminspawned ones not count and it doesn't matter what happens post shuttle, admins get to spawn singulos post shuttle as well

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby onleavedontatme » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:22 am #372395

Also Inaba is promoted

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Re: Space Inaba

Postby CitrusGender » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:25 am #372397

I was gonna post but then Kor promoted him.

Inaba is a good boy, we love him very much.
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Re: Space Inaba

Postby Armhulen » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:25 am #372398

it's the internet you're supposed to be mean

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