Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

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Which config setting should we use?

Poll ended at Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:18 pm

Allow lizards to sign up as Heads of Staff
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7%
Allow lizards to sign up as Heads of Staff
19
7%
Allow lizards to sign up as Heads of Staff
19
7%
Block lizards from signing up as Heads of Staff
70
24%
Block lizards from signing up as Heads of Staff
70
24%
Block lizards from signing up as Heads of Staff
70
24%
No Opinion
7
2%
No Opinion
7
2%
No Opinion
7
2%
 
Total votes : 288

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Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Ikarrus » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:18 pm #60818

Because people like pap would rather complain than actually do anything so I'm making this poll to see what you guys want.
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Re: [Poll]Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Steelpoint » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:19 pm #60819

Personally I would prefer it if Lizardmen could not sign up as a Head of Staff. Not only does this force a trade off for playing as a more unique alien race, but it servers as a balance issue. Rev rounds with the heads of staff being non-human will end quickly.
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Re: [Poll]Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Ikarrus » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:20 pm #60821

My opinion: As long as we have asimov as-is playing as lizard is going to be a handicap.

And the racism config option actually protects the round by not having heads so easily killed.
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby ShizCalev » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:16 pm #60842

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Lizard

However the threat of the United Earth Government terminating Nanotrasen's top secret plasma mining contract forced the addition of article 67 which barred Lizardmen from assuming a command level role outside of extreme circumstances.


Save the mining contract! Bar lizards from head roles! Viva la United Earth Government!
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Loonikus » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:20 pm #60845

ShizCalev wrote:https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Lizard

However the threat of the United Earth Government terminating Nanotrasen's top secret plasma mining contract forced the addition of article 67 which barred Lizardmen from assuming a command level role outside of extreme circumstances.


Save the mining contract! Bar lizards from head roles! Viva la United Earth Government!


United Earth Government confirmed for best government. Article 67 confirmed for best Article.

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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Scones » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:26 pm #60848

All this aside, lizards are second-class citizens, not heads of staff. If lizard players are buttblasted about not being able to be in charge, maybe they shouldn't be playing as an inferior race.

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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby MrStonedOne » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:27 pm #60936

How about the reverse. (ya ya, i know, it requires coderbus to make such a config option)

Aren't all the sci-fi jokes about how the lizard people rule the world?

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:32 pm #60940

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Re: [Poll]Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby bandit » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:16 pm #60959

Steelpoint wrote:Personally I would prefer it if Lizardmen could not sign up as a Head of Staff. Not only does this force a trade off for playing as a more unique alien race, but it servers as a balance issue. Rev rounds with the heads of staff being non-human will end quickly.


Bolded the only point in this thread that should matter. Fluff can be changed and is ultimately cheap. Lellizardracism is a thing for another thread, probably in the garbage. This is an actual playstyle concern.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:36 pm #60973

>Own language

This is even better a new reason to hate them. FUcking lizards chittering in their own god damn language probably talking shit about us
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Postby Saegrimr » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:48 pm #60979

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Postby lumipharon » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:11 am #60986

If lizardsare just going to be humans with a lisp and a tail, there's no fucking point in even having them.
It was better when lizards were only scum jobs. What canon we had was simply changed because everyone wanted to be a scaley while still playing their favorite job.

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Postby Cipher3 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:15 am #60989

lumipharon wrote:If lizardsare just going to be humans with a lisp and a tail, there's no fucking point in even having them.
It was better when lizards were only scum jobs. What canon we had was simply changed because everyone wanted to be a scaley while still playing their favorite job.

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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Vekter » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:16 am #60990

>Don't want players being racist IC against lizards because it results in rule 1 violations
>Want lizards to be unable to be heads

Make up your goddamn mind.

ShizCalev wrote:https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Lizard

However the threat of the United Earth Government terminating Nanotrasen's top secret plasma mining contract forced the addition of article 67 which barred Lizardmen from assuming a command level role outside of extreme circumstances.


Save the mining contract! Bar lizards from head roles! Viva la United Earth Government!


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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby miggles » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:19 am #60992

since a long time ago, vekter.
anything short of actually killing lizards for being lizards should be fair game. you CHOSE to be subhuman, literally. encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.
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Postby lumipharon » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:21 am #60995

There's a difference between being racist, and being a cunt. You can be racist without being a cunt, and vice versa.

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Postby Wizardjenkins66 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:23 am #60997

Will this prevent Lizards from playing miniheads, And if not will it at least put Human players in those slots before they'd put a filthy lizard?
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Postby ThanatosRa » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:34 am #60999

I agree with Ikkarrus' point mainly. Keeps the round secure and running without heads being killed so easily.


A lizard SHOULD be able to be promoted into a head role like usual if the situation permits/demands it.
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Postby Riley » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:59 am #61010

It's possible to be racist towards lizards without edging into Rule 1 territory, though I guess admins will interact with rule breakers more often than not. I enjoy those smaller interactions (e.g. "What's with all the lizards in Sec? Is it because they're all thugs?"), and AI-Lizard relations are 10x more fun when they're the station's downtrodden by default.

They shouldn't be heads though from the start though. Getting yourself promoted to head as a lizard feels like a mini-achievement of its own.

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Postby miggles » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:25 am #61022

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Postby Ikarrus » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:28 am #61024

Luckily for you guys, we just clarified this in the Rules.

[The WGW policy also] goes for players should they cross the boundary from casual racism/sexism (e.g. overly stereotyped characters, the occasional derogatory term etc) to extreme racism/sexism (e.g. encouraging genocide, forcing their racist behavior onto the majority/all of the crew, signing up as Adolf Hitler)
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Postby miggles » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:34 am #61027

that shouldnt encompass lizards IMHO
as far as the public knows lizard people do not exist in real life
there is a need for rules against racism because its a delicate issue to real life people. it might offend someone.
calling someone a "dirty scaly shit" or whatever the hip new slur for lizards is doesnt offend people in real life (unless they think theyre a lizard, which is another issue entirely)
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Postby danno » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:36 am #61028

miggles wrote: encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.

word. fuck off if you do this. you faggots.
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Postby Scones » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:44 am #61031

danno wrote:
miggles wrote: encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.

word. fuck off if you do this. you faggots.


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Postby Ikarrus » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:52 am #61034

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Postby Ricotez » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:57 am #61037

miggles wrote:encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.


seriously, stop using "SJW" as your auto-win argument, you don't even make sense any more

miggles wrote:calling someone a "dirty scaly shit" or whatever the hip new slur for lizards is doesnt offend people in real life


"being racist to lizards should be allowed because this is a game, but standing up for their rights not because that's SJW"
are you just pretending you're a dumb fucking cunt now or are you really that biased
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The HoP just toolboxes someone to death out of nowhere, then gets speared by a chemist who saw him murder a guy, then the chemist gets beaten to death because someone else saw him kill the HoP.
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Postby danno » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:00 am #61039

how does it not make sense
you choose to play a subhuman
fuck you if you want defense for your stupid lizard character
if you try to fight for your rights ICly that's fine, that's RP
but when you try to make lizards have ACTUAL rights that's stupid. they're subhuman characters. you chose to play a subhuman character.
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Postby Ricotez » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:04 am #61042

danno wrote:if you try to fight for your rights ICly that's fine, that's RP


that's what I'm talking about
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on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.

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Saegrimr wrote:One guy was running around popping hand tele portals down in the halls before OPs even showed up and got several stranded out on lavaland.
The HoP just toolboxes someone to death out of nowhere, then gets speared by a chemist who saw him murder a guy, then the chemist gets beaten to death because someone else saw him kill the HoP.
Tele-man somehow dies and gets its looted by an atmos tech who managed to use it to send two nuke ops to lavaland, who were then surrounded by several very angry people from earlier and some extra golems on top of it.
Captain dies, gets cloned/revived, lasers the guy holding the disk into crit to take it back.
Some idiot tries to welderbomb the AI hiding out at mining for no discernible reason.
Two permabans and a dayban, i'm expecting a snarky appeal from one of them soon. What the fuck.

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Postby danno » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:06 am #61043

so we're talking about different things you fuck
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Postby Ricotez » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:10 am #61044

I'm fine with lizards having less rights from an OOC point of view, we're talking about the exact same thing here
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.

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CrunchyCHEEZIT wrote:why does everything on this server have to be a federal fucking issue.

Saegrimr wrote:One guy was running around popping hand tele portals down in the halls before OPs even showed up and got several stranded out on lavaland.
The HoP just toolboxes someone to death out of nowhere, then gets speared by a chemist who saw him murder a guy, then the chemist gets beaten to death because someone else saw him kill the HoP.
Tele-man somehow dies and gets its looted by an atmos tech who managed to use it to send two nuke ops to lavaland, who were then surrounded by several very angry people from earlier and some extra golems on top of it.
Captain dies, gets cloned/revived, lasers the guy holding the disk into crit to take it back.
Some idiot tries to welderbomb the AI hiding out at mining for no discernible reason.
Two permabans and a dayban, i'm expecting a snarky appeal from one of them soon. What the fuck.

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Postby danno » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:16 am #61045

ok well what the fuck then
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Postby Kangaraptor » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:38 am #61051

you people must be some hardcore fucking spergs to get this worked up over people playing with a different sprite and a lisp

like seriously

why does this even have to be a thread?
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Postby danno » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:41 am #61055

need to keep lizardfags in their place
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Kangaraptor » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:58 am #61057

danno wrote:need to keep lizardfags in their place

autism. Okay, got it.
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby danno » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:03 am #61059

learn the lore
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I don't even play ss13 anymore, pretty much due to dannos stupid bullshit

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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby miggles » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:11 am #61061

who the fuck said anything about lizard players in game not being allowed to fight for their rights or whatever
im saying that there should be no ooc punishment for lizard racism
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Kangaraptor » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:54 am #61071

danno wrote:learn the lore

>le randum epic reference meme spacemens
>'lore'

brb calling nasa my sides are going to orbit.

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miggles wrote:who the fuck said anything about lizard players in game not being allowed to fight for their rights or whatever
im saying that there should be no ooc punishment for lizard racism


when your 'ebin ic racism' gets to the point where it actively impedes people for no other reason than to be a cunt (and mask being a cunt with the guise if 'muh IC') then you absolutely deserve to be punished. We have a rule for it, actually, it's called 'Rule 1: don't be a dick'.
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Aleph » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:59 am #61072

>Can't greytide anymore and claim lizard racism to dodge bans
>Get angry at the admins

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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby danno » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:12 am #61075

Kangaraptor wrote:
danno wrote:learn the lore

>le randum epic reference meme spacemens
>'lore'

brb calling nasa my sides are going to orbit.

>he's spouting nonsense
>he's spouting 4chan memes
>he thinks it makes him clever
>he'll never know the truth
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby miggles » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:47 am #61081

>itt: bay invades /tg/station
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby paprika » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:10 am #61090

Which is more autistic

Liking lizard racism so lizards aren't just green humans

Or calling people autistic over it
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby miggles » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:15 am #61092

both
dezzmont wrote:I am one of sawrge's alt accounts

dezzmont wrote:sawrge has it right.

Connor wrote:miggles is correct though

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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Maccus » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:04 am #61100

>some people honestly think being racist against fictional creatures should be bannable

the racism towards lizards adds character to what's otherwise just furry escapism

lidurdly no better than tajarans
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby miggles » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:05 am #61101

at least lizard janitors are iconic
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Re: [Poll] Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads

Postby Maccus » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:08 am #61102

not even a good iconic, mario90900 was the epitome of the ERPing metafriending power-abuser
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