To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry compound
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To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry compound
Please respect exadv's original lore
http://wiki.ss13.co/Old_Storyline#Plasma (on goon wiki but originally from posts exadv made themself)
plasma has to be a unique alien non earth chemistry element as that is the justification for the entire research station existing in the first place.
I've repaired the plasma wiki page to not shit on the lore.
http://wiki.ss13.co/Old_Storyline#Plasma (on goon wiki but originally from posts exadv made themself)
plasma has to be a unique alien non earth chemistry element as that is the justification for the entire research station existing in the first place.
I've repaired the plasma wiki page to not shit on the lore.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
doesn't the edit log say who changed it
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
I'm trying to be passive aggressive Techno
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
wow, i never knew we had original lore
that's pretty neat
that's pretty neat
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
we did
before you animals raped the game
before you animals raped the game
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Except this plasma lore is stupid because none of it actually describes the properties of our in-game plasma.
Cryo tubes use oxygen.
Lmao. Liquid plasma is completely stable and you can contain it in any beaker or a damn soda can.
I'm pretty sure heating plasma to 10000 degrees C is quite possible in game and it doesn't turn it solid at all.
Our previous lore mentioning Tri-ethanol was written by an actual chemist analyzing the properties of the way plasma actually operates in game.
At this point it makes no sense to use any of this. Plasma doesn't work like this at all, and I mean it's not even well-written.
Considering that all the old faction lore was completely retconned at the bottom of the page I wouldn't even take this with a grain of salt.
In summation, NOT CANON
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At -100 to about -50 its believed to be in a liquid state (this is primarily what the cryo-healer uses).
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The next state is liquid because so much of the energy is in there that electrical attractions are being made. Now from 150-10000 its liquid. This liquid is vicious. It can ONLY be transferred by a very special container that is built to not be affected by heat. The material is very hard to make and therefore has only been used to line certain pipes and canisters. (The tanks level off their potential temp at 500. It contains a weaker version of the material).
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Now moving onwards to 10000+ we have something VERY unique. (Now since SS13 researchers havn’t been able to hat up plasma to this all of this is so far ‘theory’.) We have Plasma Solid. THis palsma solid has such a high amount of energy that it doesn’t cool down. If the plasma liquid is released and hits the ground it releases enough heat to create a fire which with the carbon involved started breaking down the Hieng creating a molten lava effect. A burst pipe of 5000 degree plasma onto the ground will cause an innocent lolking white orange spill that in a few seconds dematerializes the floor!
Our previous lore mentioning Tri-ethanol was written by an actual chemist analyzing the properties of the way plasma actually operates in game.
At this point it makes no sense to use any of this. Plasma doesn't work like this at all, and I mean it's not even well-written.
Considering that all the old faction lore was completely retconned at the bottom of the page I wouldn't even take this with a grain of salt.
In summation, NOT CANON
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Fuck off, if you make plasma a chemical compound that can be manufactured in any earth lab there is zero reason to build the fucking space station, so we may as well just switch to the fallout14 station codebase
The lore was they discovered plasma and the station is built in the system to harvest it BECAUSE NEWS FLASH CHERIDAN, IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYWHERE BECAUSE IT'S AN EXOTIC ELEMENT YOU DING BAT.
THAT'S WHY YOU CAN MIX IT WITH OTHER CHEMICALS AND GET UNIQUE PROPERTIES NOT FOUND IN ANY OTHER HUMAN CHEMICALS ON EARTH THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED NOW INSTEAD OF 2000 + YEARS INTO THE FUTURE YOU SHORTSIGHTED BAT.
and yes a lot of what exadv's says is true no longer applies, plasma on tg's lore has always been floatier and less fleshed out, BUT BY GOD HELP ME IT IS NOT A FUCKING MUNDANE EARTH COMPOUND BECAUSE NEWS FLASH.
A) it's not fucking radioactive, at all ZERO ZILCH
B) nothing about that guys random bullshit and my first chem grade mathematics using made up numbers that don't match the code defined ones explains plasma's exotic abilities LIKE THE BIT WHERE IT PULLS POWER FROM RADIATION WHICH YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS.
IN SUMMATION
I'D LIKE TO FIRE YOU, FROM A CANNON.
The lore was they discovered plasma and the station is built in the system to harvest it BECAUSE NEWS FLASH CHERIDAN, IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYWHERE BECAUSE IT'S AN EXOTIC ELEMENT YOU DING BAT.
THAT'S WHY YOU CAN MIX IT WITH OTHER CHEMICALS AND GET UNIQUE PROPERTIES NOT FOUND IN ANY OTHER HUMAN CHEMICALS ON EARTH THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED NOW INSTEAD OF 2000 + YEARS INTO THE FUTURE YOU SHORTSIGHTED BAT.
and yes a lot of what exadv's says is true no longer applies, plasma on tg's lore has always been floatier and less fleshed out, BUT BY GOD HELP ME IT IS NOT A FUCKING MUNDANE EARTH COMPOUND BECAUSE NEWS FLASH.
A) it's not fucking radioactive, at all ZERO ZILCH
B) nothing about that guys random bullshit and my first chem grade mathematics using made up numbers that don't match the code defined ones explains plasma's exotic abilities LIKE THE BIT WHERE IT PULLS POWER FROM RADIATION WHICH YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS.
IN SUMMATION
I'D LIKE TO FIRE YOU, FROM A CANNON.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
I mean I'm not even kidding that so called "Lore" literally contains this line
In ooc, it was agreed upon that a tile had a volume of 1.6 m3. HOWEVER. In the code, it says that a gas cell is 2.5m3. Ultimately, using the 2.5 m³ tile messes things up, getting us into a situation where we end up with half a carbon
NEWS FLASH: IF YOU'RE GETTING NONSENSICAL RESULTS WITH HUMAN CHEMICAL ANALYSIS IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO DESCRIBE AN ALIEN ELEMENT, YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE UP YOUR OWN VOLUME FOR A TILE BASED ON YOUR FEELS ABOUT WHAT A RESULT SHOULD BE.
In ooc, it was agreed upon that a tile had a volume of 1.6 m3. HOWEVER. In the code, it says that a gas cell is 2.5m3. Ultimately, using the 2.5 m³ tile messes things up, getting us into a situation where we end up with half a carbon
NEWS FLASH: IF YOU'RE GETTING NONSENSICAL RESULTS WITH HUMAN CHEMICAL ANALYSIS IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO DESCRIBE AN ALIEN ELEMENT, YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE UP YOUR OWN VOLUME FOR A TILE BASED ON YOUR FEELS ABOUT WHAT A RESULT SHOULD BE.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Already covered in the canon lore:oranges wrote:Fuck off, if you make plasma a chemical compound that can be manufactured in any earth lab there is zero reason to build the fucking space station, so we may as well just switch to the fallout14 station codebase
The lore was they discovered plasma and the station is built in the system to harvest it BECAUSE NEWS FLASH CHERIDAN, IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYWHERE BECAUSE IT'S AN EXOTIC ELEMENT YOU DING BAT.
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Two, plasma would be rare on Earth, but in a gas giant that's composed mainly of this shit, it'd be produced easily. Even more so if the Plasma-Gas-Giant doesn't have an atmosphere that could block out the cosmic rays.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Whatever, if you wanna make plasma way less evocative and interesting be my guest.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
the dumb chemistry thing does not address why it can turn radiation into electricity, why it forms a liquid, not a powder when ground from a solid form, or why it's purple.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
nerds trying to apply real world MUST HAVE SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION AND CONSISTENCY to our fuckin' magic unobtanium
reminds me of that story about someone at a trekkie convention asking the cast how the teleporter worked and James Doohan just replied "very well, thank you"
reminds me of that story about someone at a trekkie convention asking the cast how the teleporter worked and James Doohan just replied "very well, thank you"
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
anonmare that is not how that worksAnonmare wrote:B L U E S P A C E
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
1. Stop shitposting on the wiki. You know who you are. It's innocent.
2. Why are we worrying about this unimportant shit when there's a whole long list of things that desperately need to be fixed?
2. Why are we worrying about this unimportant shit when there's a whole long list of things that desperately need to be fixed?
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
its fucking magic we aint gotta explain shit....
stop trying to make everything fucking linked to real life u monkeys
stop trying to make everything fucking linked to real life u monkeys
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Technically plasma is indeed an element of the cryotubes since cryoxadone contains stable plasma
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Stable plasma is a Goof meme, do not believe Goof memes.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
This is chemistry names all over again. It is better Sci Fi to have things be unknowably foreign from real life than to try and link them to real life in a way that is retarded and makes no sense. FUCKING CHARCOAL MAKES NO SENSE AAAAAAAAAAAA
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
charcoal would only make sense if it purely worked to neutralise ingested toxins and prevent them from being metabolised
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
I mean I'm all down for having an actually good chemistry system that derives off actual chemistry and not just gloobityiajkteaektaetjka but Plasma is a fucking scifi element it doesn't need to be based on reality it just exists and its purple and it kills you when gas but when not gas it doesn't and wHO THE FUCK KNOWS MY MAN THATS WHY WE'RE HERE.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
because I don't care about those i care about plasma loreAtlanta-Ned wrote:1. Stop shitposting on the wiki. You know who you are. It's innocent.
2. Why are we worrying about this unimportant shit when there's a whole long list of things that desperately need to be fixed?
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
If it bothers whoever they can just change it again
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
edit wars are how you get wiki banned
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Cryoxadone is made of solid plasma you quack, which then is liquefied into healing medium using freezer.Cheridan wrote:Cryo tubes use oxygen.
Oranges is right.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Plasma has never been terribly evocative or interesting. It's a magic material that exists because it needs to for the plot.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Plasma is already a state of matter. Not a material. whole lore is flawed and stupid and arguing it is beneath us.
rename it Pulasuma. problem solved, and with a decent video game referance as well N64 Ninja Goemon)
rename it Pulasuma. problem solved, and with a decent video game referance as well N64 Ninja Goemon)
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
As long as it isn't what Bay named it.
To be honest we ought to get at least a basic lore written up for the players to ignore
To be honest we ought to get at least a basic lore written up for the players to ignore
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
phoron is literally fuckin' bengali five-spice mixtureAnonmare wrote:As long as it isn't what Bay named it.
To be honest we ought to get at least a basic lore written up for the players to ignore
because lol spice controls the universe
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
This is retarded
Also Oranges is right
Also Oranges is right
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Why the fuck do we need to dive into science to discuss why this space plasma should or shouldn't be a thing? When you get right down to it, this is a silly game at heart and full of "just because". If you really want to throw in some justification as to why we're mining plasma for a high security research station, just go with some fake science bullshit instead of trying to rationalize it with real science. Say it's "Plasma that has been transmogrified due to bio-eldritch radiation emitted from the Lavalands landscape gioving it anomalous properties which is why Nanotrasen wants it so much" or some other silly shit like that instead of going in these stupid ass long descriptions and shit.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Not quite true. In the original version of SS13, cryotubes used a mixture of oxygen, plasma and "coolant".Cheridan wrote:Except this plasma lore is stupid because none of it actually describes the properties of our in-game plasma.
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At -100 to about -50 its believed to be in a liquid state (this is primarily what the cryo-healer uses).
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
lel i can change the game however i want because it revolves around my point of view current year 2010
hahahahahaha it just keeps happening who the fuck cares for years right man who the fuck ccares for years
haha wow oh wow haha such a good one
hahahahahaha it just keeps happening who the fuck cares for years right man who the fuck ccares for years
haha wow oh wow haha such a good one
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
I always figured plasma was a hydrocarbon with only deuterium and tritium atoms instead of the normal hydrogen isotope. To explain why it is extremely rare and valuable and nearly impossible to make artificially, despite producing only carbon dioxide when burned.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
Well la di da look who we have here doctor of chemistry.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
I always assumed plasma was just millions of years of clowns being compressed and atrophied to form a highly flammable and nonsensical substance.
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Re: To whoever retconned plasma into an earth chemistry comp
So then plasma really is fun, because most of the games aren't fun and mining isn't getting any fun either
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