Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
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Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
This freeze will start in ~2 weeks. Things that will be accepted during this freeze
-Bug Fixes
-Refactors
-Improvements to civilian systems or gameplay or new features that you can use while not an antagonist without getting banned
Things that won't be accepted
-Balance changes (there can be incidental balance changes from otherwise acceptable PRs, but no "I buffed tasers" or "I nerfed eswords")
-New antagonist toys/types/etc
-New civilian stuff that can't realistically be used without being an antagonist or using it on an antagonist.
The freeze will last 1-2 months.
Hoping for input from other project members on finalizing the details in this.
-Bug Fixes
-Refactors
-Improvements to civilian systems or gameplay or new features that you can use while not an antagonist without getting banned
Things that won't be accepted
-Balance changes (there can be incidental balance changes from otherwise acceptable PRs, but no "I buffed tasers" or "I nerfed eswords")
-New antagonist toys/types/etc
-New civilian stuff that can't realistically be used without being an antagonist or using it on an antagonist.
The freeze will last 1-2 months.
Hoping for input from other project members on finalizing the details in this.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Please be active so you can force through PRs that rework systems that people will get upset about changing
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[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
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<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
XHIUS READD SLINGS ALREADY YOU DON'T EVEN NEED CONVERSION REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
tbh this should be indefinite
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
The reason we are at the top of the ss13 community is because we changebandit wrote:tbh this should be indefinite
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
NO CHANGE REEEEEoranges wrote:The reason we are at the top of the ss13 community is because we changebandit wrote:tbh this should be indefinite
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you know we are danno, we're the top and everyone is our bottom
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That's like calling China the top countryoranges wrote:The reason we are at the top of the ss13 community is because we changebandit wrote:tbh this should be indefinite
I consider myself a /tg/station historian. If you're interested in the server history at all, feel free to ask me and I'll try and get you an answer! #ConcurForever
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[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
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<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
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[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
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We're the number one innovatorBawhoppennn wrote:That's like calling China the top countryoranges wrote:The reason we are at the top of the ss13 community is because we changebandit wrote:tbh this should be indefinite
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Only thing I don't understand is how "No balance" is supposed to coherently relate to "Non-antag features".
A lot of the drastic balance shit has been """"indirect"""" results of features being added/removed/changed.
If I started work on the Engineering ship and beacon to summon it, or the repair vehicles and the factory to create them, would those be closed due to their balance implications?
A lot of the drastic balance shit has been """"indirect"""" results of features being added/removed/changed.
If I started work on the Engineering ship and beacon to summon it, or the repair vehicles and the factory to create them, would those be closed due to their balance implications?
Except we're not usually on the hub trying to attract the largest mass of players possible. People come here for a reason.Bawhoppennn wrote: That's like calling China the top country
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Okay that's not what I meant but that's not even really true eitherOldman Robustin wrote:
Except we're not usually on the hub trying to attract the largest mass of players possible. People come here for a reason.
I consider myself a /tg/station historian. If you're interested in the server history at all, feel free to ask me and I'll try and get you an answer! #ConcurForever
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[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Not really sure why balance changes are excluded.
There are a lot of simple tweaks in numbers that could improve the game.
IMO the problem is that balance changes are way less rewarding due to the fact that there is an above 50% chance of everyone shitting on your PR, while new antag toys are basically always accepted.
There are a lot of simple tweaks in numbers that could improve the game.
IMO the problem is that balance changes are way less rewarding due to the fact that there is an above 50% chance of everyone shitting on your PR, while new antag toys are basically always accepted.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Can we please have a freeze which also freezes refactors? As far as I can tell the main reason we didnt really lose any issues overall last freeze was because of dozens of poorly-implemented refactors that left more bugs in the game because >what is a test
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
But refactors (when done right) while be extremely worth it in the long run.Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Can we please have a freeze which also freezes refactors? As far as I can tell the main reason we didnt really lose any issues overall last freeze was because of dozens of poorly-implemented refactors that left more bugs in the game because >what is a test
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
How would you know? You don't contribute, you don't see or interact with the fruits of the refactors.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Changes nothing.
In a perfect world you, an end user, wouldn't notice anything, that's actually in the definition of the word refactor (atleast with it's meaning within programming circles)
However this is not a perfect world, so all we have are the functional improvements, which again, you can't comment on as you never come into contact with them.
In a perfect world you, an end user, wouldn't notice anything, that's actually in the definition of the word refactor (atleast with it's meaning within programming circles)
However this is not a perfect world, so all we have are the functional improvements, which again, you can't comment on as you never come into contact with them.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Like that time shuttles broke.
Or the time window breaking broke
Or the time pointing was persistent
Sure were swell improvements
Or the time window breaking broke
Or the time pointing was persistent
Sure were swell improvements
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
So I can keep working on this yes? https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10967Kor wrote:This freeze will start in ~2 weeks. Things that will be accepted during this freeze
-Bug Fixes
-Refactors
-Improvements to civilian systems or gameplay or new features that you can use while not an antagonist without getting banned
Things that won't be accepted
-Balance changes (there can be incidental balance changes from otherwise acceptable PRs, but no "I buffed tasers" or "I nerfed eswords")
-New antagonist toys/types/etc
-New civilian stuff that can't realistically be used without being an antagonist or using it on an antagonist.
The freeze will last 1-2 months.
Hoping for input from other project members on finalizing the details in this.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Or that time all snowflake damage code was rewritten into one global system meaning it was no longer unmaintanableD&B wrote:Like that time shuttles broke.
Or the time window breaking broke
Or the time pointing was persistent
Sure were swell improvements
Or that continuing effort to replace the garbage gamemode code with antag datums so we can actually mix antags and stuff.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
goofball is actually in the right this time
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
bugs are unintentional, you can complain about testing/etc. but I don't see why that has to cause a freeze on refactoringRemie Richards wrote:Changes nothing.
In a perfect world you, an end user, wouldn't notice anything, that's actually in the definition of the word refactor (atleast with it's meaning within programming circles)
However this is not a perfect world, so all we have are the functional improvements, which again, you can't comment on as you never come into contact with them.
Limey wrote:its too late.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
This goes both ways. Speaking as an admin who constantly has to answer ahelps with "it's a known bug," coders who never come into contact with the end result of the "improvements" in-game should not comment.Remie Richards wrote:Changes nothing.
In a perfect world you, an end user, wouldn't notice anything, that's actually in the definition of the word refactor (atleast with it's meaning within programming circles)
However this is not a perfect world, so all we have are the functional improvements, which again, you can't comment on as you never come into contact with them.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
OK but the click code refactor, to take one example, has resulted in a lot of ahelps along the lines of "I can't interact with _______" resulting in actual round issues. One issue recently was wanted posters being unable to be removed, causing a lot of unnecessary shit with security due to a bug
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Actually most interaction bugs are the fault of Cyberboss' Initialize() stuff, not the clickcode rewrite, which was minor in scope.
I figured you'd know that since you fixed one yourself? (Ian)
I figured you'd know that since you fixed one yourself? (Ian)
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
YeahRockdtben wrote: So I can keep working on this yes? https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10967
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
yeah initialize(), is what I meantRemie Richards wrote:Actually most interaction bugs are the fault of Cyberboss' Initialize() stuff, not the clickcode rewrite, which was minor in scope.
I figured you'd know that since you fixed one yourself? (Ian)
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Will removals/reverts be allowed? They were allowed during the regular freeze. I don't want to see clockcult stay for 2 more months because the poll ran for 2 weeks and the freeze kicked in before it could be removed.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
I'd rather allow reverts but prevent removals, last freeze we saw balance changes pass due to being technically code removals, like removing telescience.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
I just realized that clockcult removal will be grandfathered in regardless because it was opened before the freeze, duh
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Also I'm pretty sure it can alter balance massively, it just needs to be in the spirit of actually improving the game, hence why he said no "buff eswords & nerf tasers" type of balance changes.Oldman Robustin wrote:Only thing I don't understand is how "No balance" is supposed to coherently relate to "Non-antag features".
A lot of the drastic balance shit has been """"indirect"""" results of features being added/removed/changed.
If I started work on the Engineering ship and beacon to summon it, or the repair vehicles and the factory to create them, would those be closed due to their balance implications?
I consider myself a /tg/station historian. If you're interested in the server history at all, feel free to ask me and I'll try and get you an answer! #ConcurForever
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Sounds good, about as far as we can realistically go in defining development direction.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
God antur why are you the chinese hive man from alpha centauri you just spooked me so hard.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
I'm preparing mentally for moving the code into recycling vats. (Also played it recently)
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
AnturK is looking to the future of coderbus, a hive mind under one person's whim.
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Oranges whimRemie Richards wrote:my whim.
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Juiced
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Now have you seen what happens to people who post the same thing twice?
I'm an ex-coder for /tg/. I made the original versions of clockcult, shadowlings, revenants, His Grace, and other stuff.
I don't play, code, or participate in the community, but I occasionally post dumb stuff in the hut.
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Kraso wrote:hi gay
wubli wrote:xhuis you said you were feeling better but every thread you make makes me worry more about your sanity
ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone wrote:Sorry I was making fun of xhuis' """""compromise""""" who insisted that was the correct term to use.
CitrusGender wrote:We've ended up disabling clockcult on sybil and bagil now (terry is having some problems.) We will give Xhuis some time until he wishes to work upon it again. As of now, please use this thread for ideas and not for bickering.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Yes, the people who point it out get juicedXhuis wrote:Now have you seen what happens to people who post the same thing twice?
it's my mouse, it manages to hit the button twice really quickly (check out the vidya threads, I just did it thrice!) and I guess phpBB doesn't delay clicks.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Remie Richards wrote:Now have you seen what happens to people who cross me?
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Commissions way too much art...
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
>No warning about the specific start time for the freeze
>Both this thread and IRC had misleading times for the freeze start
I'm pretty fucking salty about this, why do it like this when our last freeze was specific down to the minute about when it would start.
>Both this thread and IRC had misleading times for the freeze start
I'm pretty fucking salty about this, why do it like this when our last freeze was specific down to the minute about when it would start.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
>literally one of the few exceptions to the freezeOldman Robustin wrote:>No warning about the specific start time for the freeze
>Both this thread and IRC had misleading times for the freeze start
I'm pretty fucking salty about this, why do it like this when our last freeze was specific down to the minute about when it would start.
>is complaining about the freeze starting despite being exempt
Spoiler:
Limey wrote:its too late.
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Re: Upcoming Pseudo Freeze
Specific date means that people would rush to PR their unfinished stuff to bypass grandfather clause. It's better this way. See: Trump's travel ban.Oldman Robustin wrote:>No warning about the specific start time for the freeze
>Both this thread and IRC had misleading times for the freeze start
I'm pretty fucking salty about this, why do it like this when our last freeze was specific down to the minute about when it would start.
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