TechnoAlchemist

Jembo · Post by **Jembo** » Sun May 24, 2015 6:09 am #90183

Admin Involved TechnoAlchemist

Players Name / C-key Josh Morris / Jembo

Player Involved Slays-The-Fox / Kodeth101

I feel like this admin he could of handled this situation differently, if he didn't like how I interacted with the player he could of PM'd me and had me release him. But instead he made him an antag who went around killing a bunch of players. Also if I wasn't as level headed in the situation, TechnoAlchemist could of easily job banned me for back talk, or even banned me in general for throwing a player in perma if I wasn't able to properly defend myself during the initial round of questioning. As he already deemed me to be in the wrong against a player who made bomb threats with a bag full of bombs.

Summary I heard the AI say a scientist was making bomb threats, Kodeth101 So I go to science to investigate the situation myself where another officer Helps-In-Part already had him cornered. Both the AI, and Helps-In-Part said that Kodeth101 made bomb threats. When searched he had a pack full of bombs and I had no choice but to take his threats seriously. Upon being brigged though my questioning of him he continued to insult me, and someone attempted to break into the HOS's office, as well as a plasma fire broke out. So I had no time to deal with him. I threw him in perma, and began to sort out the other station issues, which was becoming a longer, and longer list the longer I tried to get the truth out of him, though his insults. Shortly after I get an admin PM from TechnoAlchemist asking my why Kodeth101 was in perma. They seemed satisfied with my response, and I treated with with a great deal of respect and even offered up my logs showing I had two witnesses stating he made bomb threats.

The round continued as normally, and I got hit in the leg with a throwing star and began to bleed out when I noticed him running around the halls. We have a short fight but I collapse and pass out from a mix of the throwing star, and him not being able to stay down after getting stunned. *And me being unrobust* He drags me into my captains office, using an emag strips off my PDA, takes me into my back room and kills me hiding my body in the showers. I then spoke to TechnoAlchemist though admin PM and I feel like the logs tell a good enough story.

Logs

My interactions with the admins that round.
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): Got a moment?
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): Sure do
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): Why did you perma Slays-The-Fox?
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): Bomb threats comfirmed by the AI, and another sec officer by the name of Helps-In-Part
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): He also had a pack full of bombs at the time of his arrest
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): Alright, thank you.
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): Do you want my logs where I had both people telling me he made threats or is that enough?
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): I believe that he did make the threat, just seeing the validity of the perma ect ect.
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): Ah thank you, well have a nice day.
HELP: Jembo/(Josh Morris): Hello I have a complain to make - heard by 4 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): Alright
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): So I got admin helped by a traitor, was overtly being a traitor?
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): Then he magically broke out and killed me?
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): I wanna know why someone can admin help, when they're obviously in the wrong and got caught in the wrong just to ban the person who caught them out.
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): Nobody got banned
PM: TheBibleMelts/(Xemo)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): Looks like an admin gave him a free antag status and some free emag to go with it.
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TheBibleMelts/(Xemo): Oh really?
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): But let's say I wasn't as level headed when you did message me, and lost my cool I could have easily gotten banned or job banned.
PM: TheBibleMelts/(Xemo)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): Techno made him an antag and spawned some things in his cell so he could escape because he felt the sentancing was improper.
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): We don't job ban for bad attitude.
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): At least I don't
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): No but you have bans captains in properly perma brigging people
PM: ThatSlyFox/(Jim Otis)->Jacough/(Kreyvn Morhed): From what I heard from the two ais: Plasma was still in secuirty and the person who was causing all of this was still walking around.
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): Or taking people out of the round.
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): I wasn't planning on banning you, I was just seeing what the terms of the permabrigging was. IT was an investigation not a witchhunt.
PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): I apologize for inadvertently ruining your round.
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): You didn't ruin my round, but this kind of shit would easily ruin another players round
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): So you didn't like something that happened ICly, that the captain did so you gave the other player the tools to kill the captain and free'd him?

End Round Report showing that he's not an antag, even though in the logs given to me he was made one.

Spoiler:

Full Admin Logs Thanks to TheBibleMelts

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TechnoAlchemist · Sun May 24, 2015 8:01 am

You're right I could have handled this much better.

I am sorry for ruining your round.

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Sun May 24, 2015 3:11 pm #90243

I'm curious, why was the decision made to give Sly the ultimate revenge setting on his character? Like, we've established that it happened and Techno has apologized, but why in the first place?

EDIT: Also to address your more general issue with administration, yes, if you flip out and lose your shit in PMs rather than talk about things like a human being it can sometimes backfire on you spectacularly. Less because 'banned, admin disrespect' because look around for four seconds at the people we could remove if we wanted to do that, but because we need to be able to talk about this reasonably. If we PM a person about why they toolboxed the Botanist and we get a ASDGHHJHTJAFDF MARXISTS scrawl, what exactly do you expect us to do?

Especially when players have definitely expressed in the past that they always prefer admins to talk to them before placing bans (for understandable reasons)?

TechnoAlchemist · Sun May 24, 2015 7:55 pm

My misguided reasoning for giving them *revenge* was because they made an empty threat after a bout of IC racism, and was given a perma sentence for this reactionary threat. So he was given a perma sentence and I felt it was unfair for that player to be taken out of the game for such a small thing, even though it was valid IC because bomb threats are serious.

That's it really, it was in fact a mistake.

Post by **Vekter** » Sun May 24, 2015 9:01 pm #90277

Were you aware of the fact that he had TTVs in his backpack?

TechnoAlchemist · Sun May 24, 2015 9:53 pm

I was aware that he made bombs inside of toxins and that the bombs did not in fact leave science.

Jembo · Post by **Jembo** » Sun May 24, 2015 11:47 pm #90329

I know that personally that some people on staff were making racist remarks. I wasn't one of them, and never referred to anyone in such a manner. Given the long stream of insults by the player I was questioning I feel as though I was rather patient when dealing with them. He wouldn't even admit that he made the threats as a joke, just denied them flat out all together despite having two witnesses stating otherwise. One being a lizard crew member, and thus proving that he couldn't be trusted.

EDIT: Also to address your more general issue with administration, yes, if you flip out and lose your shit in PMs rather than talk about things like a human being it can sometimes backfire on you spectacularly. Less because 'banned, admin disrespect' because look around for four seconds at the people we could remove if we wanted to do that, but because we need to be able to talk about this reasonably. If we PM a person about why they toolboxed the Botanist and we get a ASDGHHJHTJAFDF MARXISTS scrawl, what exactly do you expect us to do?

Especially when players have definitely expressed in the past that they always prefer admins to talk to them before placing bans (for understandable reasons)?

I have seen a player perma-banned for using a word an admin didn't personally like, despite not being against the rules.

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Mon May 25, 2015 7:17 am #90513

Whom?

Jembo · Post by **Jembo** » Mon May 25, 2015 10:29 am #90559

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... Sly#p46877

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Mon May 25, 2015 2:44 pm #90604

You mean that ban which was lifted (as in, ruled invalid by the administration) within a single day of the appeal being made, six months ago?

Spoiler:

Do you have any more recent examples, or bans that were sustained?

Jembo · Post by **Jembo** » Tue May 26, 2015 4:15 am #90805

You mean that ban which was lifted (as in, ruled invalid by the administration) within a single day of the appeal being made, six months ago?

Yes please downplay an admin permabanning someone for saying a word he didn't like. Let's not forget the flip flop on ban reasons, or the change your behavior even though you didn't do anything wrong. It's kind of a common trend involving the administration on this server, and I've been playing for a long time.

I mean where's the accountability for what Techno did? If this was a player who set off a bomb, or killed a few people they'd get day ban, maybe longer depending on how they acted and how many people they ended up inconveniencing though the round. But because it's an admin, we the player base can basically expect they're gonna get off Scott free?

PM: TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart)->Jembo/(Josh Morris): I apologize for inadvertently ruining your round.
PM: Jembo/(Josh Morris)->TechnoAlchemist/(Breaks-The-Heart): You didn't ruin my round, but this kind of shit would easily ruin another players round

I am sorry for ruining your round.

I mean how am I supposed to accept an apology when it's so blatantly insincere, it's basically a slap in the face and what's great is they didn't even think it was their fault. When they revived a player and gave them a free objective to kill me. *Let's be honest it might as well of been assassinate the captain.*

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Sat May 30, 2015 7:45 pm #91869

What do you think we should do with Techno, then?

Jembo · Post by **Jembo** » Sat May 30, 2015 9:22 pm #91898

Hibbles wrote:What do you think we should do with Techno, then?

If I was in charge of this sorta thing, I'd de-admin or ban Techno for one day for each person that got killed by Slays-The-Fox / Kodeth101 .

Post by **Vekter** » Sat May 30, 2015 10:22 pm #91906

If a character reference helps his case, Techno has been one of our better trial admins and I'm extremely glad to have him with us.

I think he's learned his lesson, but it's not up to me.

Jembo · Post by **Jembo** » Sat May 30, 2015 10:40 pm #91910

Vekter wrote:If a character reference helps his case, Techno has been one of our better trial admins and I'm extremely glad to have him with us.

I think he's learned his lesson, but it's not up to me.

Off topic, not ruling in the case, and wasn't there please remove.

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

This wasn't particularly well handled but Techno has acknowledged the problem and this isn't a case where deadminning people is him is going to be necessary.

I'll warn him about this incident.

Sun May 31, 2015 10:49 am

Jembo wrote:
Hibbles wrote:What do you think we should do with Techno, then?
If I was in charge of this sorta thing, I'd de-admin or ban Techno for one day for each person that got killed by Slays-The-Fox / Kodeth101 .

How many people died because of him?
Do you know?

unlocked for the moment so you can respond.

Jembo · Post by **Jembo** » Sun May 31, 2015 10:57 am #91967

TheBibleMelts/(Xemo) : how did slays the fox escape
PM: CandyClown/(H.E.L.P.eR.)->ThatSlyFox/(Jim Otis): Have a nice day then.
ThatSlyFox/(Jim Otis) jumped to TheBibleMelts/(Xemo)
PM: ThatSlyFox/(Jim Otis)->CandyClown/(H.E.L.P.eR.): you to man
TheBibleMelts/(Xemo) : he's killing people

I am unsure on the matter, I was talking to admins trying to figure out what was going on. But from the logs I got from TheBibleMetls, it would seem like more than one, unless the wording was a little screwy which happens it is text on the internet.

Sun May 31, 2015 11:00 am

If you can give me the timeframe for the round I will be able to work it out, if you can remember that is.

Jembo · Post by **Jembo** » Sun May 31, 2015 11:23 am #91970

05/24/2015 Around 12:03 a.m.

Sun May 31, 2015 11:27 am

Alright I can't load up logs atm, but I will take a look at this in a few hours or so when I'm at my actual computer.

Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:23 pm

Postponed
I intended to ban TechnoAlchemist for two days but sticky disagreed, I will talk to hg when I get a chance.

Kodeth101 · Post by **Kodeth101** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:33 am #92232

Yeah, I don't know why he decided to give me antag. Kinda fucked up, I really deserved to be perma'd. I shouldn't have ahelped when I noticed Techno was on, I kinda had a feeling something shitty would happen.

Post by **oranges** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:28 am #94903

Would techno have been hanging out in the same teamspeak as kodeth and tedward?

Because I see a pattern.

tedward1337 · Post by **tedward1337** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:36 pm #95000

oranges wrote:Would techno have been hanging out in the same teamspeak as kodeth and tedward?

Because I see a pattern.

Pfffffthahahahahaha

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:50 pm #95001

The conspiracy is revealed.

Tsaricide · Post by **Tsaricide** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:15 pm #95002

Have you talked to HG yet about this stp?

Skorvold · Post by **Skorvold** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:35 pm #95014

TechnoAlchemist was not in the Teamspeak with Kodeth when this happened.

TechnoAlchemist · Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:46 pm

I find Kodeth to be pretty insufferable and would never communicate with him outside of IC means.

Just saying.

Stickymayhem · Post by **Stickymayhem** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:59 pm #95085

No one likes kodeth and he's permabanned now anyway.

There's no pattern.

Also STP has apparently stopped existing again so I guess my decision remains. Techno has been warned. He's been exceptional up until now and this is his first issue. Even then, it was an attempt to make someone happy, and clearly not a malicious act.

If he makes similar ignorant mistakes in the future he'll get the stick. I'll lock this now.

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