[Sawucall] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

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[Sawucall] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby ohnopigeons » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:33 am #186322

Let me preface this complaint by stating that I understand that OOC is a rather minor and inconsequential part of them game, with admins more or less having free reign over how OOC is run. If there is a line between acceptable and unacceptable OOC admin behavior, it would be a far away, distant line that is rather blurry and difficult to make out if anyone even bothered to look at it. And yet, that line was probably crossed in this case.

Admin: Sawucalls
Time incident occurred: Sybil, June 12, 20:11 server time

After the previous round ended, players were subjected to a ton of screen fuckery consisting of lots and lots of spinning and colors. Seizure-inducing levels. There are some people who are salty about it, and Sawu reminds laughingrabbit/everyone that if they don't stay in line they "might get a mute". Okay.
The AI-bolting-door-case gets brought up. Sawu clearly doesn't like the topic being brought up and where it's going, so he decides to silence all discussion by threatening to mute anyone who would try to continue it. In any way, shape, or form, which he emphasizes, by specifically mentioning "ironic asking", whatever that is.
OOC is a mess now so I decide to meme it up with some fampais. Somehow Sawu also finds this offensive and threatens me with a dayban, and also tells me
anything you say from beyond this point ohnopidgeons that is remotely shitposty will incur a punishment.
Yikes.
Bob gives Sawu some sass and his attention turns on him too.


Logs below
Spoiler:
[20:11:47]OOC: Deitus : MY HEAD IS FULL OF FUCK BADMINS
[20:11:49]OOC: Desucake : Admins love the spin button.
[20:12:00]OOC: Artificer (686)/Jaxy15 : my eyes are starting to hurt oh god
[20:12:01]OOC: Legoscape : Wait till your screen starts spinning too
[20:12:07]OOC: Bob Dobbington : plantpods turn out not to be immune to aggressive spread kudzu
[20:12:08]OOC: UnconqueredSun : The sad thing is.
[20:12:21]OOC: UnconqueredSun : Admin Dickery is something you gottta accept. The Admins are the LAW.
[20:12:36]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Fuck admin.
[20:14:00]OOC: VersipellisVesper : hell
[20:14:01]OOC: Hatfish : someone please explain what the fuck happened that round
[20:14:07]OOC: Thunder12345 : Hell
[20:14:07]OOC: VersipellisVesper : HELL
[20:14:08]OOC: Baverage : magic
[20:14:08]OOC: Battlecreeper : Wait for it when SS13 spins it'sef, then ur own monitor, then u, then your house, then ur town, then ur country and so on.
[20:14:11]OOC: Gouty : Admins happened
[20:14:11]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : On another server I got turned into a duck for cursing admins once.
[20:14:17]OOC: Metacide : Welcome to NoxStation, enjoy your stay.
[20:14:28]OOC: VersipellisVesper : what is this, Steel Ball Run
[20:14:33]OOC: Sawucalls : laughing rabbit you can curse out admins here as much as you want, but if it gets too roudy you might get a mute
[20:14:38]OOC: Hanador : I dunno but there was a big explosion
[20:14:47]OOC: Bob Dobbington : >implying we aren't lower RP right now than nox ever was
[20:14:47]OOC: Baverage : insult the admins round confirmed
[20:14:49]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Without fear of duck ban?
[20:14:50]OOC: CodenameGordan : OH SHIT THEY"RE SHOWING OFF TITANFALL 1
[20:14:54]OOC: BlittzOff : WOOOP WOOP, FUN POLCE
[20:14:59]OOC: Jeerman : :I
[20:15:08]OOC: Blakula : Admin show feet
[20:15:09]OOC: Jeerman : Yeah, can't question the calls of admins
[20:15:18]OOC: VersipellisVesper : put shoe on head
[20:15:20]OOC: Coiax : I am just a regular player
[20:15:23]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Three day duck ban was awful. All you can say is quack and people love to beat you because you drop feathers and quack.
[20:15:24]OOC: Metacide : Wasn't it Sawucalls who banned someone because HG cried when they got locked down as a murderous traitor by an AI
[20:15:25]OOC: Coiax : and I obey the mighty admins
[20:15:46]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Yes Meta
[20:15:49]OOC: Metacide : Oh yes there it is viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6925
[20:15:51]OOC: Sawucalls : metacide, the aforementined AI locked a dude in a room with another person who was trying to shoot him to death
[20:15:56]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : I had a dream that TG upgraded to med RP.
[20:15:56]OOC: UnconqueredSun : You must obey the admins at all times...
[20:15:58]OOC: Legoscape : I'm watching E3 Press confrence right now :D
[20:16:05]OOC: Legoscape : It's preaty cool :D
[20:16:11]OOC: VulpineRyth : Thus was violating Laws
[20:16:15]OOC: Ohnopigeons : The AI can't stop people from shotting
[20:16:15]OOC: Blakula : I can't wait for the release of World of Warcraft 2
[20:16:19]OOC: Sligneris : med RP wouldn't work well on TG
[20:16:20]OOC: Ipop444 : Some people do Med RP
[20:16:21]OOC: Metacide : Well apparently that didn't happen according to the logs in the thread. Sounds like HG was being a bit salty and had to get his anti-silicon bone on.
[20:16:23]OOC: UnconqueredSun : Resistance is futile and punishable by IP ban.
[20:16:30]OOC: VulpineRyth : They prevented them from escaping said shooting
[20:16:48]OOC: Sawucalls : those logs have none of the admin information, so you're really not at liberty to make a decision on that, metacide
[20:17:07]OOC: Ohnopigeons : How do you escape a shooting
[20:17:14]OOC: Jeerman : Shoot them first
[20:17:17]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Opening the door would take too long the person was liekly dead anyways
[20:17:19]OOC: Sawucalls : and i'll go ahead and remind you that OOC isn't for talking about ban appeals, thats why the forums exist
[20:17:27]OOC: Jeerman : I want to appeal a ban
[20:17:34]OOC: Ohnopigeons : OOc is for talking about whatever
[20:17:36]OOC: Jeerman : on all ugly people
[20:17:38]OOC: Sawucalls : and continued discussion about it here will result in amute
[20:17:41]OOC: Bob Dobbington : put up a thread on the official ban appeal forum, singulo.io
[20:17:56]OOC: Razharas : https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/18508 witness the newest coder-privilege
[20:17:57]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : I thought OOC was for harassing the admins to undo ur bans?
[20:18:19]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : ADMINS UNDO MEH BANS.
[20:18:28]OOC: Sawucalls : ironic shitposting is still shitposting
[20:18:36]OOC: Sawucalls : so ironic asking will still incur a mute
[20:18:51]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : A ironic mute?
[20:18:55]OOC: GrayRachnid : what's a shitpost?
[20:18:57]OOC: Thunder12345 : What if I said something ironic about ironically asking
[20:19:00]OOC: Jeerman : I don't think it's a new button, so why are you swinging that muteschlong so much?
[20:19:00]OOC: Razharas : Oh god who gave sawu admin
[20:19:02]OOC: Thunder12345 : Ironyception?
[20:19:04]OOC: Jeerman : Muh ordnung
[20:19:05]OOC: Razharas : Jees
[20:19:10]OOC: Sawucalls : i've been admin for a while raz
[20:19:11]OOC: Ohnopigeons : No Thunder
[20:19:14]OOC: Ohnopigeons : It goes like this
[20:19:22]OOC: Razharas : I havent played for longer than that
[20:19:26]OOC: Sawucalls : because jeer, people are trying to talk about their ea conference shit
[20:19:27]OOC: Razharas : Fucking coding man
[20:19:28]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Irony -> post irony -> post post irony -> meta irony and so on
[20:19:48]OOC: Sawucalls : if it was just general shittery i'd mute all of ooc
[20:19:49]OOC: Ohnopigeons : meta meta irony
[20:19:51]OOC: Jeerman : Yeah, maybe I just can't see the problem in it, because I can't be held responsible for OOC
[20:19:54]OOC: BlittzOff : Where is this conversation going
[20:19:55]OOC: Ohnopigeons : post meta irony
[20:20:08]OOC: BlittzOff : How many layers of irony are we on?
[20:20:21]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Like 5, maybe 6, my dude
[20:20:32]OOC: BlittzOff : You are like a baby
[20:20:37]OOC: BlittzOff : Watch this.
[20:20:38]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : So you will punish everyone in hopes they will punish the person doing wrong. Just like in the army or prison?
[20:20:42]OOC: BlittzOff : SUCC
[20:20:54]OOC: Ohnopigeons : S
[20:20:55]OOC: Ohnopigeons : U
[20:20:56]OOC: Ohnopigeons : C
[20:20:58]OOC: Ohnopigeons : C
[20:21:08]OOC: Sawucalls : shhh
[20:21:20]OOC: Ohnopigeons : succ
[20:22:13]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Stop or saw will mute the channel and then we will have to hold you down with a blanket while you sleep and beat you with socks with soap inside. Ohnopigeons
[20:22:27]OOC: BlittzOff : Fucking fmj
[20:22:37]OOC: Sawucalls : well if he keeps shitting up ooc i'll just dayban him
[20:22:49]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Shitting up?
[20:22:53]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Please this is art
[20:23:12]OOC: Sawucalls : as in anything you say from beyond this point ohnopidgeons that is remotely shitposty will incur a punishment
[20:23:13]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Stop being such a plebian
[20:23:19]OOC: Bob Dobbington : kek
[20:23:40]OOC: Sawucalls : taunting admins is not reccomended
[20:23:50]OOC: Bob Dobbington : i recommend it
[20:24:03]OOC: Sawucalls : shh bob or i'm giving you a ntoe to never be allowed purrbation again
[20:24:06]OOC: Metacide : This is gold.
[20:24:12]OOC: Reddyy : hey admins i hear your collective mothers was sassed by bob there
[20:24:19]OOC: Bob Dobbington : >implying i want to be a filthy catbeast
[20:24:19]OOC: WJohnston : the horror
[20:24:24]OOC: WJohnston : NOT being on purrbation
[20:24:34]OOC: Sawucalls : i swear bob is the like, #1 asker for catgirl mode
[20:24:42]OOC: Jaxy15 : you're thinking of bobban
[20:24:47]OOC: Bobban : yes your thinking of me
[20:24:52]OOC: WJohnston : literally all robust long time players
[20:24:53]OOC: Sawucalls : what's the difference they're both furries
[20:24:54]OOC: WJohnston : have cat ears
[20:24:56]OOC: WJohnston : all of them
[20:25:02]OOC: WJohnston : it's a status symbol

To reiterate, Sawucalls manages to threaten administrative/disciplinary action to 4 different people for 4 completely different reasons (each of which amounted to nothing) in the span of 10 minutes, beginning at round-start. Judging from the looks of other people in OOC, not out of the purpose to make sure everyone is having an enjoyable time but purely out of personal vindications. All in all a pretty bad attitude to have in general.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is really not proper admin behavior, nor a very good way to administrate in any form.
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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby Jacough » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:02 am #186326

[20:15:51]OOC: Sawucalls : metacide, the aforementined AI locked a dude in a room with another person who was trying to shoot him to death



Oh hey, he's referring to me there! Glad to see that instead of admitting he fucked up there he's trying to blatantly lie about it. I fired once at the CE with my detective revolver (because he was fleeing and I don't have a taser) who was actively trying to murder and space someone. I hit him with one round and from there it was just me and an assistant stunning him with batons while I cuffed him. I brought to the brig where he threw a tantrum and ghosted instead of, I dunno, trying to talk his way out. If I was really planning on shooting him to death, why wouldn't I have, you know, shot him to death instead of nonlethally detained him and brought him to the brig?

Judging by that situation, his blatant lie about the events of said situation, and his weird power tripping here I'm kind of questioning whether or not he's fit to be an admin.

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby InsaneHyena » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:54 am #186355

I've had multiple interactions with sawu, none of them positive. Every time something gets even slightly close to the borders of his comfort zone, he disables the ooc and/or starts handing out mutes.

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby sawukoa » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:12 am #186388

I'm just going to point at that 20 minutes before hand, a multitude of people had been warned for shitting up IC with their edgy jokes about the recent nightclub shooting, you included, and you were not the only one muted.

Racism, Bigotry and assorted shitposting from a variety of people, and multiple people were issued mutes as a result. OOC is not the place to spread intolerant, hateful bullshit.

Additionally, Cherry picking parts of the log where I actually told the guy where to go for complains and arranging it in a way to make me appear more hostile is just petty.

Spoiler:
[19:29:50]OOC: Johnathan Polson/Hornygranny : jesus christ
[19:30:02]OOC: Johnathan Polson/Hornygranny : some dude killed 50 people at a nightclub

[19:30:07]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : Yeah.
[19:30:11]OOC: Joseph Krieger/Voidlord44 : yeah
[19:30:11]OOC: Johnathan Polson/Hornygranny : one more reason not to go outside
[19:30:13]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : My bf was crying about it.
[19:30:18]OOC: Wil Watamote/K Peculier : Fucking videogames must have done this.
[19:30:23]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : litterly.
[19:30:24]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : So, when I say your instead you're. I am doing it to honor the founding fathers.
[19:30:33]OOC: Lizardbot/VersipellisVesper : yeah, a gay nightclub no less
[19:30:40]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : That dude must be one hell of a gangster.

[19:30:51]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : People say it's a hate crime.
[19:31:04]OOC: August Talon/TheWulfe : So a Muslim walks into a gay bar, and the bartender asks, what'll you have?
[19:31:08]OOC: August Talon/TheWulfe : "50 shots"

[19:31:13]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : damn dude...to early.
[19:31:15]OOC: Ivan Golubov/ClumsyAlcoholic : kek
[19:31:16]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : Shit he shot up a gay nightclub?? That dude must be A SUPER SOLDIER>
[19:31:20]OOC: Johnathan Polson/Hornygranny : he literally pledged allegience to ISIS
[19:31:22]OOC: August Talon/TheWulfe : Sorry, way too early
[19:31:25]OOC: Joseph Krieger/Voidlord44 : it was a radical muslim apperently
[19:31:30]OOC: Gaving Queery/Jeerman : But who doesn't do that
[19:31:40]OOC: Gaving Queery/Jeerman : It's entirely coincidental

[19:31:43]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : People in nightclubs normally have weapons.
[19:31:51]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : calm your edgy shit down folks
[19:32:03]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : we know you're 12 and have school tommorow but here isn't the place to try and out-fedora each other
[19:32:06]OOC: August Talon/TheWulfe : But yeah, radical muslim, and there's a shitstorm on Leddit about them trying to cover up the most public news story about the biggest terrorist attack since 9/11, the idiots
[19:32:14]OOC: Lizardbot/VersipellisVesper : Fifty deaths
[19:32:24]OOC: Wil Watamote/K Peculier : You're being too generous with the age there.
[19:32:24]OOC: Gaving Queery/Jeerman : Or what, you're gonna give the server the ol' Ghost BC?
[19:32:27]OOC: Muhammed Al-Is-Nis/Valiantttt : it happened in america
[19:32:28]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : That's just what LEddit does
[19:32:28]OOC: Cara Moore/InsaneHyena : Guys, guys, guys
[19:32:34]OOC: Muhammed Al-Is-Nis/Valiantttt : of course gun shooting happened in america :^)
[19:32:36]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : I don't know why anyone expects differently
[19:32:39]OOC: Cara Moore/InsaneHyena : Shut up, okay. Shut up and check this out. Comedy gold.
[19:32:44]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : Welcome to the world. ISIS is cancer america is cancer Russia is cancer EVERYONE IS CANCER :C
[19:32:48]OOC: Cara Moore/InsaneHyena : https://youtu.be/qBlwxqqAprQ
[19:32:53]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : A MUSLIM WALKS INTO A GAY BAR
[19:32:53]OOC: Cara Moore/InsaneHyena : COMPLETE COINCIDENCE

[19:32:55]OOC: Lily Wilson/Bobban : jesus just give 1 star no need to go all pscho on the bar
[19:32:55]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : Like if that guy tried that in a nightclub where I am from. I doubt he'd get 50 bodies and it wouldn't of been a masscure but a battle zone.
[19:32:56]OOC: Cara Moore/InsaneHyena : I'M SURE
[19:33:23]OOC: Cara Moore/InsaneHyena : This is what happens when you let a murder cult into your country.

[19:33:24]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : last warning folks, calm the edge
[19:33:34]OOC: Lizardbot/VersipellisVesper : heroes neverdie
[19:33:35]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : >warning
[19:33:35]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : any more remotely edgy shit and i'm issuing mutes
[19:33:39]OOC: Cy Wolfe/Kha : muslims. dems great people ynow
[19:33:39]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : What the fuck
[19:33:44]OOC: Lando Thomlinson/Virtualmass : sharpened fire axe
[19:33:44]OOC: Muhammed Al-Is-Nis/Valiantttt : > this woudlnt happen in my night club > complete dark, gunshots > GOOD LUCK SHOOTING AT THE GUY WITHOUT GETTING SHOT YOURSELF
[19:33:46]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : Sawucalls were talking about a problem that actually happned irl .w.
[19:33:48]OOC: Bill DeFoe/Deputi : is being edgy against the rules now
[19:33:48]OOC: Muhammed Al-Is-Nis/Valiantttt : kek
[19:33:48]OOC: Lizardbot/VersipellisVesper : Why not just mute OOC r ight now
[19:33:54]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : Sawu are you literally from reddit
[19:34:02]OOC: Gaving Queery/Jeerman : :I
[19:34:05]ADMIN: Sawucalls/(Jaydon Woollard) has muted ohnopigeons/(Micks Tape) from OOC
[19:34:06]OOC: Cara Moore/InsaneHyena : Sawu, fifty people are dead.
[19:34:13]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : because some people still want to use the ooc channel
[19:34:29]OOC: Daisy Holmes/Bob Dobbington : To give a sense of the scale this is the biggest terror attack since 9/11
[19:34:36]OOC: Gaving Queery/Jeerman : I mean, why even issue warnings mang if you're going to let the mutedick go flapping
[19:34:49]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : I
[19:34:59]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : am muting people because shitting on muslims
[19:35:02]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : and talking shit
[19:35:07]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : is not the same as talking about a news event

[19:35:10]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : Nah, The one in france was much bigger. If your talking about the us yes its the biggest in the US
[19:35:14]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : we get it, you're twelve and have an edge quota
[19:35:20]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : For real shooting at nightclubs happening like once a week where I live.
[19:35:32]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : Sawucalls why do you assume someone is twelve?
[19:35:49]OOC: Miku Frost/Desucake : Cause its easy to assume if you are 12 or 21, cause simple switch of numbers
[19:35:49]OOC: Emeric Arndt/Pecce : might aswell observe before the E3
[19:36:05]OOC: Johnathan Polson/Hornygranny : is there anything good even
[19:36:06]OOC: Johnathan Polson/Hornygranny : at E3
[19:36:11]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : cuz i have more faith in older people to not try and be the edgiest thing size gilette razorblades
[19:36:22]OOC: Jaydon Woollard/Sawucalls : since, rather
[19:36:25]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : So for real one crazy guy trying to shoot up a night club full of organized gangs. I'd like to see the results.
[19:38:02]OOC: Jessica Sulivard/Legoscape : Hm, I guess you have a point there Sull
[19:38:12]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : Yeah, so did the guy have like night vision or something?
[19:38:21]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : Or he just spray randomly?
[19:39:00]OOC: Laughing Rabbit/Laughing Rabbit : Also, nightclubs arn't dark. They got like that sutterlight. So a firefight would appear to be slow motion just... not.
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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby Steelpoint » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:15 am #186390

Ahh politics brings the best out of people.

I think the only person in that text above that may have been going a bit far was the guy making the jokes, even then.

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby Zilenan91 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:29 am #186397

Is it bad I laughed at the 50 shots joke? I mean past that it was just memesters shitting up OOC but good lord the schadenfreude

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby ohnopigeons » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:02 am #186407

sawukoa wrote:I'm just going to point at that 20 minutes before hand, a multitude of people had been warned for shitting up IC with their edgy jokes about the recent nightclub shooting, you included, and you were not the only one muted.

Racism, Bigotry and assorted shitposting from a variety of people, and multiple people were issued mutes as a result. OOC is not the place to spread intolerant, hateful bullshit.

Additionally, Cherry picking parts of the log where I actually told the guy where to go for complains and arranging it in a way to make me appear more hostile is just petty.

I'm glad that instead of taking a step back, reflecting on your behavior, wondering if there's any merit to the criticism, and striving to improve yourself for the future, you instead choose to bring up a basically irrelevant OOC conversation in an attempt to discredit both me and the complaint. This is obviously the kind of admin behavior and attitude I like seeing from the admins.

Notice how I specifically didn't mention the Orlando shooting mutes? That's because they were and are neither relevant to the nor necessary to this complaint. But since you've brought it up and insist that they are, we might as well go down that road. Yes, you muted me from OOC during that conversation.
Here are the entirety of my OOCs from that conversation:
Spoiler:
[19:32:28]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : That's just what LEddit does
[19:32:36]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : I don't know why anyone expects differently
[19:32:53]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : A MUSLIM WALKS INTO A GAY BAR
[19:33:35]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : >warning
[19:33:39]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : What the fuck
[19:33:54]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : Sawu are you literally from reddit
[19:34:05]ADMIN: Sawucalls/(Jaydon Woollard) has muted ohnopigeons/(Micks Tape) from OOC

I'm sorry but could you indicate which of my comments are racist, bigoted, intolerant, or hateful bullshit? I'm having a rather hard time seeing it, to be quite honest. The mute just seems rather petty to me.

Additionally, Cherry picking parts of the log where I actually told the guy where to go for complains and arranging it in a way to make me appear more hostile is just petty.

This is complete bullshit. Each and every WORD of this sentence is a complete bold-faced lie, and I'm rather disappointed. These logs aren't cherry picked, they're literally the entire OOC log starting from after the round ended to the conversation's end, and you should know that seeing as you also dived into the logs. This is pure baseless slander. I bolded you when you were speaking and highlighted the parts where you specifically threatened administrative action, which was the entire point of this complaint. And somehow, this counts as arranging the log to make you appear more hostile?

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby oranges » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:08 pm #186419

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby peoplearestrange » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:45 pm #186425

We certainly used to have a server rule the asked people to tone down blatant racism. But thats dispersed over time.

In honesty, does it really make you feel so "oppressed" when an admin mutes you/OOC for saying offensive things? Are you really that angry that your unable to spout your personal views of something irrelevant in a minor video game? If you really want people to "listen" to your freedom speech, why not go on /r9k/ or /pol/ or heck just grab a megaphone and join the others on the streets.

TLDR: seriously you're making a complaint about being muted over personal views irrelevant to the game?
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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby ohnopigeons » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:00 pm #186428

peoplearestrange wrote:We certainly used to have a server rule the asked people to tone down blatant racism. But thats dispersed over time.

In honesty, does it really make you feel so "oppressed" when an admin mutes you/OOC for saying offensive things? Are you really that angry that your unable to spout your personal views of something irrelevant in a minor video game? If you really want people to "listen" to your freedom speech, why not go on /r9k/ or /pol/ or heck just grab a megaphone and join the others on the streets.

TLDR: seriously you're making a complaint about being muted over personal views irrelevant to the game?


This complaint is not about racism; this complaint is not about freedom of speech. I have expressed no personal views. Even then, the Orlando shooting conversation is a complete separate incident and is unrelated to the round-end/lobby-start conversation the actual admin complaint is about. The ONLY links that conversation has to this one are:
  • That conversation took 40 minutes beforehand
  • Sawucall moderated that conversation
  • I was muted momentarily in that conversation
Unless someone can actually explain how that conversation is relevant to this specific complaint, if possible I would like that topic addressed in another admin complaint thread and not this one. I would rather not get this complaint sidetracked by politics inherent over such a controversial subject.

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby Malkevin » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:52 pm #186504

sawukoa wrote:I'm just going to point at that 20 minutes before hand, a multitude of people had been warned for shitting up IC with their edgy jokes about the recent nightclub shooting, you included, and you were not the only one muted.

Racism, Bigotry and assorted shitposting from a variety of people, and multiple people were issued mutes as a result. OOC is not the place to spread intolerant, hateful bullshit.

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby Tornadium » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:12 pm #186510

Sorry to burst your bubble Sawu, Legitimate criticism of a violent, intolerant and backwards religion not spreading hateful bullshit.

Saying that we should start purging and attacking muslims in the US is spreading hateful bullshit, legitimate critique and discussion about how islam does not mesh with western culture using case points such as the night club shooting (even in a sarcastic manner) is an entirely different matter.

OOC is not your personal safe space, stop being a cunt.

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby ShadowDimentio » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:22 pm #186511

>Admin is t-triggered by Muslim jokes
>Threatens to ban people if they don't stop
>Meta brings up how Sawu was just caught being a badmin
>Threatened again

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby imblyings » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:55 pm #186522

>steal one of the greatest jokes of 2016 from pol
>fuck up it's delivery

yeah i'd have muted you too

This was pretty bad though, you either have thick skin here or you can find a server which caters to people with thin skin.
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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby ShadowDimentio » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:03 pm #186525

Cough Goon cough

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby Jacough » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:19 pm #186530

peoplearestrange wrote:We certainly used to have a server rule the asked people to tone down blatant racism. But thats dispersed over time.

In honesty, does it really make you feel so "oppressed" when an admin mutes you/OOC for saying offensive things? Are you really that angry that your unable to spout your personal views of something irrelevant in a minor video game? If you really want people to "listen" to your freedom speech, why not go on /r9k/ or /pol/ or heck just grab a megaphone and join the others on the streets.

TLDR: seriously you're making a complaint about being muted over personal views irrelevant to the game?


The main thing I wanted to point out was the bit about his overturned AI ban. Don't get me wrong, I ain't salty over it. I haven't logged in today but I'm pretty sure I ain't banned so no sweat. At the same time though, both a headman and the server host pointed out that he straight up fucked up with the ban. Instead of admitting he fucked up though he instead tries to lie about it and depict himself as the victim. Call me crazy but I don't think someone's fit to be an admin if they can't even be bothered to listen to a headmin who actually knows the rules and instead tries to make up his own rules on the spot.

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Re: [Sawu] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribution

Postby MrStonedOne » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:37 pm #186541

Take the discussion over muslim hate muting to policy discussion (or another AC thread, i don't care), that's off topic. further posts in that range will be deleted.

This AC is very clearly about something else.
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Re: [Sawucall] OOC overmoderation, threatening admin retribu

Postby onleavedontatme » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:58 am #186911

Please don't mute/threaten bans in situations like this, people are allowed to express their grievances with admins.

If this becomes reoccurring behavior action will be taken (you can't be an admin if you can't handle criticism), otherwise this is a warning and the thread is resolved.

If anyone sees more stuff like this (from any admin) feel free to PM me about it and avoid the circus.


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