[Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

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[Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

Postby Zybwivcz » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:50 am #464502

Byond account and character name: Zybwivcz / Kyler Schofield
Admin: Zoozele
Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: Bagil
ROUND ID HERE: 99173

Detailed summary: I killed Shade of Chip Marshall after he wound up in a soul shard after suiciding via Russian revolver. I go AFK for a few minutes later in the round. During that time a golem named Adamantine Talc which is carrying Chip Marshall's id strips me, cuffs me, welds me in a locker, and sticks me in a room in maint with no way for me to get out and no message of any sort from them explaining why they were doing it. If Talc/Chip are the same ckey this seems to be obvious metagrudging. If they're not the same ckey it's one person using multiple ckeys or two people metacomming since the chance of a golem player randomly deciding to do that unprovoked and unexplained while wearing the id of the only person who would have a reason to want revenge is almost zero, and at a minimum is clear abuse of a non-antag ghost role.

My objection is mostly to whoever was playing the golem, my only problem with Zoozele's response is that there wasn't one and since the issue was ahelped and I felt the admin response(nothing) was the wrong one the technically correct forum for this seems to be admin complaints. They responded when I ahelped saying they'd look into it, but never responded during the next twenty or so minutes after which I had to drop(which was almost round end as the shuttle was departing). I'm guessing they just lost track of it, but whether it was unintentional or by choice I think the admin response was the incorrect one to what was pretty clear a rules violation.

edit: Apparently this issue was resolved, it just wasn't communicated via an ahelp. So anyone who can close this can go ahead and close this.
Last edited by Zybwivcz on Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:21 am, edited 1 time in total.



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Re: [Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:56 am #464553

https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html
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[2018-12-24 22:37:35.606] SAY: 22:37:35.606] SAY: Analbifida/(Chip Marshall) "lets play" (Bar (136, 134, 2))
[2018-12-24 22:55:49.494] SAY: 22:55:49.494] SAY: analbifida/(Adamantine Talc) "hello" (Unexplored Location (65, 88, 5))

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Re: [Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

Postby Zybwivcz » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:24 am #464559

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:logs here


This seems pretty clear:

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[2018-12-24 22:45:05.823] GAME: 22:45:05.823] GAME: Analbifida/(Shade of Chip Marshall) became a free golem
[2018-12-24 22:45:05.829] GAME: 22:45:05.829] GAME: *no key*/(Shade of Chip Marshall) *no key*/(Shade of Chip Marshall) is no longer owning mob Shade of Chip Marshall(/mob/dead/observer) (Central Primary Hallway (113, 140, 2))
[2018-12-24 22:45:05.830] ACCESS: 22:45:05.830] ACCESS: Mob Login: analbifida/(a free golem) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
[2018-12-24 22:45:05.832] GAME: 22:45:05.832] GAME: analbifida/(a free golem) Client analbifida/(a free golem) has taken ownership of mob Alyssa Siegrist(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Free Golem Ship (62, 141, 5))
[2018-12-24 22:45:05.833] GAME: 22:45:05.833] GAME: analbifida/(a free golem) Alyssa Siegrist name changed from to Adamantine Talc (Free Golem Ship (62, 141, 5))

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Re: [Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

Postby Arianya » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:29 am #464567

Hi, just to note that the player in question received a ghost role and server ban for the above from Zoozele. I'll let Zoozele chip in when they get a chance, but please bear in mind its Christmas and so responses may be slower then normal.
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Re: [Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

Postby subject217 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:07 am #464569

Additionally, something to keep in mind: Parsed logs do not show admin interactions with players or the results of those interactions. You are not entitled to this knowledge, no more than any other player is entitled to the knowledge of your IP address, or your bans and notes. Any knowledge you receive on this is goodwill on the admin's part, like Arianya happening to decide to tell you what happened as a result.
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Re: [Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

Postby Anuv » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:20 pm #464579

I was coming back to deposit minerals when Adamantine Talc immediately rushed for the mining base and asked me if he could come aboard the station. I knew it felt really fishy and almost ahelped it on the spot and feel bad seeing this happen as a result but at least it was addressed.

[2018-12-24 22:57:20.281] SAY: 22:57:20.281] SAY: Anuv/(Janice Lean) "why do you want to come?" (Mining Shuttle (53, 36, 5))
[2018-12-24 22:57:28.381] SAY: 22:57:28.381] SAY: analbifida/(Adamantine Talc) "this planet sucks" (Mining Shuttle (52, 35, 5))

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Re: [Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

Postby Zoozle » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:52 am #464679

Hi! I usually do try to provide closure after I finish dealing with issues that people report (usually just an ahelp saying, "its been resolved, thanks for reporting" followed by marking the ticket as resolved), but you had logged by the time I finished dealing with the ticket.

You did send a few ahelps asking for an update, but they were lost in the sea of other ahelps. I don't know if you recall, but, this happened in a round where the mime received a necromatic stone as a gift, and we had a lot of ahelps from the resulting chaos.

In the future, I will try my best to be more responsive in situations like this. Thanks for taking the time to write a complaint, as these do serve as feedback even if Headmins decide not to take action on it.

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Re: [Zoozele] Admin ghosts on ghost's killing

Postby Arianya » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:18 pm #466311

This one got kinda forgotten in the Christmas/New Year holidays but as the OP has noted in an edit they wish this to be closed and zoozle has seen it and acknowledged so I don't think there's any need for a headmin ruling here.

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