Byond account and character name OR Discord name: Zybwivcz/Rocco Kepplinger
Admin: Trexter555
Round ID: 195787
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/195787
https://sb.atlantaned.space/rounds/195787
What Happened:
I was CE, shuttle was about to depart, I'm in space outside the chapel. Braydon Warren, an assistant, is there. He's got the captain's laser. Zero previous interaction with him. As soon as I see him, he throws a .357 at me. I assume, not unreasonably, that the assistant with the captain's laser and an antag-exclusive weapon(there was no gatfruit on the station) is an antag who accidentally threw when he meant to shoot. I pick up the revolver and fire it twice. Whoops, it was a reverse revolver, I get put into crit. Braydon shoots me several times with the stolen captain's laser, putting me deeper into crit. He then full strips me, including my hardsuit and internals, leaving space exposure to finish killing me.
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[2022-12-07 01:10:55.193] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has thrown the �.357 revolver (Space (119,43,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:02.435] ATTACK: Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) fired at Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) with .357 bullet from Space (NEWHP: 100) (Space (128,43,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:02.436] ATTACK: Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) shot Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) with .357 bullet (NEWHP: 100) (Space (128,43,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:03.184] ATTACK: Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) fired at Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) with .357 bullet from Space (NEWHP: 43) (Space (132,43,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:03.187] ATTACK: Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) shot Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) with .357 bullet (NEWHP: 43) (Space (132,43,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:10.115] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) fired at Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) with the hellfire laser from Space (NEWHP: -14) (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:10.117] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) shot Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) with the hellfire laser (NEWHP: -14) (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:10.589] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) fired at Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) with the hellfire laser from Space (NEWHP: -34) (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:10.590] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) shot Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) with the hellfire laser (NEWHP: -34) (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:12.918] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the telescopic baton. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:13.170] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of Rocco Kepplinger (Chief Engineer). (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:13.463] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the �Chief Engineer's toolbelt. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:13.718] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the advanced MOD control unit. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:13.981] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is pickpocketing Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of ATMOS holofan projector (left) (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:14.198] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is pickpocketing Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the plasma internals tank (right) (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:17.455] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the telescopic baton. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:17.717] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of Rocco Kepplinger (Chief Engineer). (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:18.019] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the �Chief Engineer's toolbelt. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:18.520] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of ATMOS holofan projector. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:18.700] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the plasma internals tank. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:37.464] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the advanced MOD control unit. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:39.142] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the advanced insulated gloves. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:39.762] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the brown shoes. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:40.217] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the damaged chief engineer's jumpsuit. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:40.543] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the breath mask. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:40.778] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the security bowman headset. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:40.907] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the brown shoes. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:41.010] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) is stripping Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the security HUDSunglasses. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:41.369] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the advanced insulated gloves. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:44.512] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the damaged chief engineer's jumpsuit. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:44.851] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the breath mask. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:45.066] ATTACK: SinfulBliss/(Braydon Warren) has stripped Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) of the security bowman headset. (Space (135,40,2))
[2022-12-07 01:11:58.552] ATTACK: Zybwivcz/(Rocco Kepplinger) has died (BRUTE: 154, BURN: 42, TOX: 0, OXY: 10.6667, CLONE: 0) (Space (136,40,2))
For starters, using antag gear to bait someone you've had zero previous interaction with into killing themselves is probably actionable on its own.
Acting like an antag, like being an assistant with a stolen high value item, makes you valid. I think this is pretty well established. If you want another source, here's one from a previous round:
https://atlantaned.space/banbus/mytickets/195583/5
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Zybwivcz:
So to put it all together, someone without access taking the hand teleporter from the teleporter room is valid.
Trexter555:
correct
this doesn't apply to someone that normally has access to it, like the captain/rd/ce etc
Zybwivcz:
But anyone like assistants, engineers, sci, etc., they're fair game.
Trexter555:
yes
Shooting myself twice with a .357 puts me instantly into crit. Under escalation rules, that should have ended the conflict even if there had been a valid conflict. Seven seconds later, Braydon moves over to where I'm lying in crit and shoots me several times with the stolen antique laser. Since I was busy lying there dying in crit after having shot myself twice, I can't have taken any action that justified continuing the conflict.
Brayden then fullstrips me while we're both outside the station in space, including my hardsuit and my internals. The only reason to remove someone's hardsuit and internals while they're lying in deep crit in space is to kill them, which is exactly what happens.
This isn't just differing interpretation of escalation policy, it was a multilayered misunderstanding of what it is. As trexter explains, an assistant with a high value item is valid. An assistant with a high value item and traitor gear is definitely valid. An assistant with a high value item, traitor gear, and who is using the traitor gear to bait people into being killed is definitely definitely valid. Shooting yourself with a gun doesn't make you valid. Killing someone who's in crit and out of the fight isn't valid.