[jud1c470r] Xargav - Banned for playing captain correctly

[Xargav]

Byond account and character name: Xargav / Tzargav Romanov
Admin: jud1c470r
Time incident occured: January 25th 6:37:40 PM CST
Detailed summary: Disclaimer: Summary is almost exact copy paste of my ban appeal about this situation.
I was the captain that round. As the round progressed, the HoS along with half the crew went into open revolt against the station and NT by abandoning their duties and leaving aboard a recovered shuttle. The HoS caused this split in the crew to be a hostile one by arresting me for arresting the leader of the splinter movement, then taking all of the sec hardsuits and the entire armory with her to the rebel ship. I ahelped, saying that there is no way in hell that a loyalty implanted HoS should be able to stun and arrest the captain like that, let alone take all of the equipment to an enemy of the station. jud1c470r informed me that in this case it is to be allowed, as now the round was an event revolving around this conflict. I took this to mean there was a precedent set that this round was going to be more flexible than others. So this guy starts screaming over comms (after the rebel ship left) about how he wishes he was a rebel and wanted NT to burn. As he already had a run in with the law for killing Ian, this kind of speech especially in a time of civil war was not to be tolerated, and the guy was eliminated. He had been warned that if he felt NT was bad to leave on the ship, and had not done so. He was further warned that such speech against NT was not to be tolerated.
While talking to jud1c470r in pms, I did get fed up with the situation and tell him he may as well ban me before suiciding, which he proceeded to do but not because I said to. The official reason he gave was that I killed a person talking about rebellion but not taking part in it.

This is also on the ban appeal forum, but as the ban expired on its own and I'm still upset jud1c470r thought he was 100% justified in his actions I'm now making an official complaint about it. He decided that others (like the HoS) are allowed to make drastic and "dickish" moves like stealing the entire armory while implanted, but the captain isn't allowed to do his job and punish rebellion.

[peoplearestrange]

The related ban appeal: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5714

Ban reason:

Spoiler:

Killed a lizard during an event because they voiced support for a group of rebels without actually joining them. This led to another death as the lizard was treating somebody in medbay. Xargav did not see an issue with this.

[CPTANT]

Act like an antag, get treated like an antag.

Act like a rebel, get treated like a rebel.

[Docprofsmith]

I feel as if I've summed up my feelings regarding this in the ban appeal.

[Malkevin]

306 Inciting Riot.PNG Inciting a Riot To attempt to stir the crew into a riot Additionally to the brig time the offender will also have restrictions placed on their radio traffic and be implanted with a tracking implant. For second offences or outright instigating violent uprisings consider charging with Mutiny

406 Mutiny.PNG Mutiny To act individually, or as a group, to overthrow or subvert the established Chain of Command without lawful and legitimate cause. Mutiny is not as clear cut as it may seem, there may be a legitimate reason for their actions, such as their head of staff being utterly incompetent. This is one of the few crimes where it is recommended to always seek a third party opinion. If their actions are determined to be for the betterment of Nanotrasen consider a timed sentence or even a full pardon.

This ban's retarded.

If they're inciting or supporting an outright rebellion they're committing mutiny.
Cases like this are why I added those laws to space law.

[Hornygranny]

Note: This page is merely a IC suggestion. It was voted for it to NOT become an official part of SS13.


not a comment on this complaint or the appeal, but lest we forget SPACE LAW IS NOT IN THE RULES

[Malkevin]

I'm perfectly aware of that, I was even the one that put "this is a guideline" into the main text.
Doesn't change the fact that it has long been accepted as a guideline that if followed won't result in a ban.

[Davidchan]

So I'm confused, was he banned for executing someone vocally supporting a rebellion/mutiny despite being warned the consequences, or was he banned for gunning down said person without arresting them and taking them to the brig for perma/execution?

[Ahammer18]

Honestly what did they expect to happen when they were acting like fucking antagonists, if anything they should have gotten banbaiting bans.

[Screemonster]

Honestly what did they expect to happen when they were acting like fucking antagonists, if anything they should have gotten banbaiting bans.

Was it even ahelped? I seem to recall another edge-case like this recently where the deceased party was entirely cool with the escalation/execution.

[Docprofsmith]

This one was ahelped.

[Davidchan]

Still sounds like a ban baiter/griefer thing to do. Push someone else to the point of murder than run to the ahelps about how the big meanie killed them 4noraisins.

[Docprofsmith]

Except saying "I wish I didn't work for NT" is definitely not pushing somebody toothed point of murder.

I've said all I will about it both in this thread and the ban appeal, so we're really only waiting on either the person who ahelped it to come forward or a headmin to come along and give a ruling.

[Malkevin]

Except saying "I wish I didn't work for NT" is definitely not pushing somebody toothed point of murder.

I've said all I will about it both in this thread and the ban appeal, so we're really only waiting on either the person who ahelped it to come forward or a headmin to come along and give a ruling.

Clearly you don't understand the captain's role or the established setting of the game.

[CPTANT]

Will this ever be handled? It's almost a month old now.

[Hornygranny]

I don't think it's possible to give a completely fair ruling on this issue without having seen the round. There are situations in which this would be acceptable and in which it would not. My request to the admins is that they tend towards letting things be resolved IC.