Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

[PKPenguin321]

Bottom post of the previous page:

If we can organize some sort of in-game event where we drag Fwoosh kicking and screaming out of Science then flog him publicly in the halls I will actually play this fucking game again just to attend it

this, please allow us to do this some time
it wouldnt even be hard just wait for fwoosh to be the RD then make everybody but him a traitor with the objective to free science

[TheColdTurtle]

101st post in this shit thread, how is it still going

[Atlanta-Ned]

that was the 101st you fuckin nerd git gud

[TheColdTurtle]

I don't know what you are talking about

[FantasticFwoosh]

If we can organize some sort of in-game event where we drag Fwoosh kicking and screaming out of Science then flog him publicly in the halls I will actually play this fucking game again just to attend it

this, please allow us to do this some time
it wouldnt even be hard just wait for fwoosh to be the RD then make everybody but him a traitor with the objective to free science

Oh dont worry, that happens all the time when i roll HOP on low priority, i inevitably get mobbed and HOP sieged by grey-tide. I've come to expect ambushes.

Getting mobbed as RD though would be new. Im notoriously un-robust in combat (i have my fleeting moments of robustness) so i'd have to cheat in a mech or something or rig up the experimentor into a panic room by fucking with the buttons to close the blast doors.

[InsaneHyena]

You've ever thought that you might be the problem?

[FantasticFwoosh]

You've ever thought that you might be the problem?

[oranges]

[FantasticFwoosh]

On point as always citrus fruit meme-supreme.

[Slignerd]

what's the sound of the RD being gulagged?

fwoosh

[Laharl Monthy]

I didn't know it was possible to demolish the reputation of Science in a single thread.

And yet...There it is.

[Timbrewolf]

Science never had a good rep to begin with.

Worst players in game worst attitudes outside of it.

[onleavedontatme]

Worst players in game worst attitudes outside of it.

Close call between them and security.

[Incomptinence]

Security are angels. Honestly you need to stop putting greys on a pedestal kor.

[TheColdTurtle]

Kor is a shitter tho, it has been proven

[Super Aggro Crag]

Shut up

[Timbrewolf]

Worst players in game worst attitudes outside of it.

Close call between them and security.

I definitely see your point but misy sec shitters arent constantly whining for more OP gear and weapons complaining they dont have enough to do while having more shit to play with thab any other department on the station.

[Slignerd]

Come on, I ask for more buffs, but I try to be helpful and not hoard it all for Science alone.

[Atlanta-Ned]

Can we move this into the cuck shed?

[Screemonster]

does the cuck shed have it's own, smaller, cuckier cuck shed?

[TheColdTurtle]

Yes it is called [DELETED]

[lzimann]

>this shit is still going

[TheColdTurtle]

Do it lehmann, delete this thread. Leave no remains

[Jacough]

Worst players in game worst attitudes outside of it.

Close call between them and security.

I definitely see your point but misy sec shitters arent constantly whining for more OP gear and weapons complaining they dont have enough to do while having more shit to play with thab any other department on the station.

They are woefully underpowered compared to the departments though. I mean, how do you expect them to robust people when they're limited to things like combat mech, laser guns that shoot through walls, advanced energy guns, taser revolvers, and bombs among other things?

[onleavedontatme]

Worst players in game worst attitudes outside of it.

Close call between them and security.

I definitely see your point but misy sec shitters arent constantly whining for more OP gear and weapons complaining they dont have enough to do while having more shit to play with thab any other department on the station.

RD players are definitely worse on the code side of things. Sec players tend to make the most policy threads though.

[FantasticFwoosh]

does the cuck shed have it's own, smaller, cuckier cuck shed?

Move it, to the (Morgan-) CUCKERZONE

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Worst players in game worst attitudes outside of it.

Close call between them and security.

I definitely see your point but misy sec shitters arent constantly whining for more OP gear and weapons complaining they dont have enough to do while having more shit to play with thab any other department on the station.

RD players are definitely worse on the code side of things. Sec players tend to make the most policy threads though.

Shitcurity is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Sec is all RP, science is relevant to things and at the heart of sybil's low RP focus, where material things have more prevalence

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If you want to know something else that grinds my gears on this topic i recently discussed, its my negative attitude towards financing illegal dragon/monster hunts to miners inclined to not actually use their tools to the intended purpose of digging rocks instead looking for the local big game.

I expect you to do your job effectively and coderbus has inflated the role of miner to be obtuse and completely distracted with scoreboards on meta only focused on getting the material they need to slay a dragon for meme murderbone weapons (rod of lava) rather than doing what science is there for (to improve the station) its aiding the miner's personal collection and not the station's well-being.

> Remove lavaland boss mobs/monster hunting culture and shift into another purely explorer themed job (*COUGH* SHILL https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7747 *COUGH*)

[onleavedontatme]

Sec is all RP

This thread keeps getting better.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Sec is all RP

This thread keeps getting better.

They run from one end of the station to the other using their super speed goonesque run looking for people to hit, only occasionally stopping to meme, drink arpee coffee for no reason and pretend to be staffing office sec checkpoints (which none of them do unless it has a charger) between the 3 or 5 places at a time people are getting murdered. How is that not RP? Round works fine albiet with less of a mob-murder squad to harmbaton on command and promptly get justiceboners pursuing any sign of disobedience with repeated taser shots.

But i digress, that is not the stated topic of why we are here today.

What would you rather have, minerals or some jerk wearing a dragon hide/turning into a dragon to meme up the station for no wide beneficial effect who is most likely a atagonist? (like dude, you can gift the lava rod to engineering and they can build unique geothermal heat exchange designs off that shit)

> The none-selfish non-prickish thing any of the lavaland loot can do is turn ash storms off, but summarily the object can re-apply a storm whenever it wants in any proximity it wants.

[TheColdTurtle]

But wait there's more! Call now and you get double the cucking!

[Slignerd]

I like how Lavaland being full of beasts for miners to kill is somehow an argument for denying miners equipment, regardless of whether they actually deliver materials.

[FantasticFwoosh]

But wait there's more! Call now and you get double the cucking!

You can reach my professional helpline in cucking at: 2825 2825 2825 in the nanotren mutual broacasting space telecomms network.

(I can understand the joke in pointing the finger at myself to laugh but you're starting to derail the thread on purpose so it gets closed down when i try to bring it back on track, whatever *on track* is inside the cuck shed)

I like how Lavaland being full of beast for miners to kill is somehow an argument for denying miners equipment, even when they do deliver a ton of useful materials.

Monsters are not worth RD levels, if they had more use then as long as science gets its share id be coolio i guess. More anomaly cores or strange object hybrids?

Its literally a meme sub- (COMPLETELY DEVIANT) - objective to mining. Why are you wasting our shit on NPC's for personal gain?

EDIT - Fuck, if it was actually valuable to the station (and science) in a vague way, it'd become less of a selfish venture and more of a science funded venture (as im completely down for co-operative large scale projects as science when i get the chance)

[Slignerd]

I'm pretty sure killing watchers and dragons means diamonds. So you want miners able to kill watchers and dragons. You also want them to get a mining satchel of holding, so that they can safely pick all minerals up, without worrying about remaining space.

[TheColdTurtle]

Actually it's about ethics in mining

[Slignerd]

Don't you hate it when other heads trespass in your department's restricted areas and shit up the place, breaking windows and acting like they own the place? :^)

[FantasticFwoosh]

I'm pretty sure killing watchers and dragons means diamonds. So you want miners able to kill watchers and dragons. You also want them to get a mining satchel of holding, so that they can safely pick all minerals up, without worrying about remaining space.

You can get diamonds from actually digging the ground in constructive consecutive lines, occasionally its MUCH faster and much more safe too because every single miner detests watchers and summarily dragons anyway (if its news to you). Again coming down to too much dependency on GIT GUD to hunt monsters (which many naturally lack the finesse) and therefore powergaming. Bigger tools

> Dragons gibbing you particualrly is very distasteful in the choice of expensive materials im wasting on you, chasms and lava scare me very much too, i want you to take care of yourself and do your job digging rocks for everybody not kamikaze into needless danger.

70% (beside goldgrubs which are better alive) are physically useless to every aspect of science, and uninteresting in that respect even to study outside of RP rarely having any unique function (ruling out legion robotics implants because that's general/ghetto surgery and the real surgery room is too up their own ass like us to lend you the space so you ask the MEMEBOTICIST to implant unreasonable shit on you all the time), Lazarus's via a science driven mining base (because the vendomat is a machine not a computer and therefore can be built by R&D) can be made on their own.

Don't you hate it when other heads trespass in your department's restricted areas and shit up the place, breaking windows and acting like they own the place? :^)

Out of context you forum valid hunting nonse, i was trapped inside a room full of lube with the HOS looking for a rogue toxin bomb scientist (found a bag full of 8 maxcaps), if a RD was in i would definitely have called ahead (no pun intended) and i did inform the staff (discreetly, as to not scare the bomber) i was there, after that i let out 2 shitters there without reason and the detective who collected up a braindead HOS in the office i freed (and the clown nearly robbed). Given my office was sabotaged with broken doors and unusable and a attempt to kill me was made i was on high alert assisting security and command in making the station safe while dropping in from time to time on cargo. (albiet my HOP cargo/service micromanaging skills are poor)

I was also a traitor myself you judgmental...

Why do you think i was on the table and not anywhere else? I was slipping on my ass inside that command-trap as every floor tile in that small space was lubed entirely, i couldn't stand up, it was the only place i could get to (as the door was unavailable due to slipping to either side of the room) so i summarily didn't meet the HOS's fate of being a vegtable trapped for eternity behind glass.

[Slignerd]

i want you to take care of yourself and do your job digging rocks for everybody not kamikaze into needless danger.

How very thoughtful of you.

I mean, as long as miners are good little slaves who just work in the mines with no ambitions of their own, they're safe. What's that? They want to be rewarded for their work with better equipment? They want to try and do something interesting after they already delivered a batch of supplies? How dare they! They may never do anything but mine minerals! They should be grateful you're even using the fruits of their work instead of mining things on your own! Because you could totally do that! You're just... not doing that and using their minerals anyway, because they conveniently appear in the ORM on their own!

Really, these miners have grown so impudent.

[Jacough]

How about the fact that if you get killed on mining you're completely fucked unless you get really lucky and one of your buddies stumbles on your body and feels inclined to bother bringing you to genetics instead of taking any materials and loot on you for himself? It's kind of nice to be rewarded for gathering materials from an extremely dangerous place with stuff that'll improve your chances of survival.

[Slignerd]

No no, you don't need any of those things, you silly powergamer. That's just you being hungry for your meta. You can manage just fine with what you have. Know your place, peasant.

[FantasticFwoosh]

i want you to take care of yourself and do your job digging rocks for everybody not kamikaze into needless danger.

How very thoughtful of you.

I mean, as long as miners are good little slaves who just work in the mines with no ambitions of their own, they're safe. What's that? They want to be rewarded for their work with better equipment? They want to try and do something interesting after they already delivered a batch of supplies? How dare they! They may never do anything but mine minerals! They should be grateful you're even using the fruits of their work instead of mining things on your own! Because you could totally do that! You're just... not doing that and using their minerals anyway, because they conveniently appear in the ORM on their own!

Really, these miners have grown so impudent.

While that's a funny way to spin things, do miners really see themselves as equal to say a assistant? A assistant given reasonably dangerous tools and shoved into a shitty inhospitable enviroment to dig with some okayish borderline protection only to probably never be reclaimed again or even really care if they die out there? Mmm? Science makes your life better because it was already bad as you started it.

Hierarchy exists, a RD can't claim to be captain until all the other command members are dead but the HOP ultimately gets the succession rather quickly until a replacement is found. A shaft miner let alone someone playing a plasmameme out there is taking their own risks and after screaming how loudly they are a snowflake probably should keep in mind (git gud) and the diffculties of the job .I've said this before a cyborg or a drone could do a miner's job and miners often being lizards on-purposefully play on the 'trodden down lower class personnel' (which cannonically they are) just purport the social class divide.

We can be snobbish perhaps, and it'll win us little sympathy ourselves when we all die horribly to singulo/other catastophies and you can laugh but quite literally we are the more privilidged station members, neither command or sec but our own department still grants us powers, we're somewhere in the middle along with engineering (maybe not precisely at the top of that middle range but definitely above the waterline where life is relatively cushy and safe in normal operation).

So no sympathy from me, we are working hard in research even with incompetent staff doing our role, while you are chasing butterflies before falling down a chasm in a job and race you chose.

[Slignerd]

I like how I meme'd around with class divide, but you somehow played along unironically.

RD's crown when. Science is royalty here, quite clearly.

[FantasticFwoosh]

I like how I meme'd around with class divide, but you somehow played along unironically.

RD's crown when. Clearly Science is royalty here.

If I could steal a drone chamelon hat i would.

Nobody claims science is royalty, but we're definitely bourgeois for your labour efforts when we can't be inclined to mine for our own minerals. The captain and occasionally the HOS can overrule us (and sec on occasion unless they are being shit offenders themselves, as such to requests to chase criminals in a particular section of the department)

True to my word on hierarchy, i would grumble and strongly suggest they leave their own department but not go out of my way to hit them with pole, id really prefer to know what their intentions were then leave me and my science team to our work.

No no, you don't need any of those things, you silly powergamer. That's just you being hungry for your meta. You can manage just fine with what you have. Know your place, peasant.

You get things for free and sponge off us to do a straightforward job badly at a tangent, we give you tools and you go whack a space monster with them to result in death. Miners burst and grief their way inside and start not asking but dictating what they want or silently without a word just use the sometimes precise amount of minerals they require for a object then fuck off if they are powergaming REALLY hard in a flash point heist. The rest of the customers & people who are waiting and queuing patiently at the desk look at you and follow suit with the grey tide ripple effect.

Who are you? You haven't been working on RND or any part of my department at all, i don't even know your name (/all lizards look the same who are you?), i give you a KA and suddenly you return with a dead dragon and lazarus and demand access to our xenobio containment so you can go and become a dragon, when i ask you why you say "for the memes". As time goes by you dissapear/die or the minerals start getting thinner with longer periods of time for less minerals than you could have effectively dug in the time you were given.

> Miners start using KA's to dig in straight lines is undeniable proof of monster hunting because they aren't even using boxes either to pick up loose minerals they free in their '(POWER)game trails' (because frankly they hate their job and must think its shit to want to avoid doing it so much but love the free access to lavaland)

What are you? Are you like this with literally any other department? I dont see you collecting any fruit, or food (with meta benefits such as ozmine chems) or bothering anybody else like sec for guns. Literally.

What are you?
Miner

[Screemonster]

but don't you see it's selfish for miner players to spend their leisure time during this game doing what they want to do and they enjoy doing
but it isn't selfish for science players to pursue their own little autism projects and their PERSONAL GOALS during their own playtime because of reasons and if every other player on the server doesn't drop what they're doing to help them then they're just awful people

[Slignerd]

The real joke here is that Fwoosh now starts implying I'm a lizard miner player, while I'm actually a science main.

[FantasticFwoosh]

but don't you see it's selfish for miner players to spend their leisure time during this game doing what they want to do and they enjoy doing
but it isn't selfish for science players to pursue their own little autism projects and their PERSONAL GOALS during their own playtime because of reasons and if every other player on the server doesn't drop what they're doing to help them then they're just awful people

What qualifies as 'spare time?'

> Science's progression split across time is quick (for a game which can end very fast via roundtype/early calls), i wouldn't demand my RND team to pull off to build retarded shit unless they were cool with it, (summary to all my other science teams no matter how pointless, even test lab/toxins suicide squad) i always keep my scientists on case and summarily im always on case managing them, and talking to command about the latest drama. I go out and pursue projects but always keep in reach of my department

> Miners dig rocks with no definite endgame BUT caving in to the meta and monster hunting/bosses as a means for their existence rather than doing a good job and seeing the entire station use their fruits of their labours (as science hoovers up minerals, is quite at fault), science runs flat but for mining the ride (and summary responsibility to bring back minerals) never ends.

What amount of minerals is enough to 'buy your freedom?', if mining was like gulag and they had to dig their way out or continue helping the station by returning minerals then that'd be cool with my outlook on the world, if they die it doesn't matter they were in debt and indisposable though id still be pissed off about it

> Totally implement buying your freedom and a (fuck you Dr.Cucker i can do what i want) permit poster for like a 3000 point diploma (not even that much really, golems can get it in 2 shifts between ash storms without breaking a sweat because they are focused as fuck on getting the legacy) and a ID upgrade to a actually level class citizen i care about who can go and do whatever the hell they want with all of lavaland to play with in retirement. You know what, just give the upgraded miner FREEDOM id as much choice as a golem (for their own little budget legacy at a measly 250 points or so because they earnt it)

Let miners buy a freedom house with pimped up stylish applicances to live on lavaland and hunt monsters in their little lodge forever, i dont care. If they rot, they rot there dead in the bottom of a chasm.

The real joke here is that Fwoosh now starts implying I'm a lizard miner player, while I'm actually a science main.

Tell me, do you have scientist set to high? Because you sure like to push that guide in everyone's face whether they like it or not with your powergame method of how to do literally everything and suck the soul out of whatever (not quite bay) RP experience and learning we can have.

[Screemonster]

What qualifies as 'spare time?'

literally any time that is spent on a 2d atmospherics simulator you fucking dongwrangler

[FantasticFwoosh]

What qualifies as 'spare time?'

literally any time that is spent on a 2d atmospherics simulator you fucking dongwrangler

I've literally never been more offended in my life, have you know it i come from a long line of dongwranglers greater than you, its 'dongwrangler SIR'.

In all seriousness what is anybody really doing? Its not like the atmos even depletes as we breath it. For low rp we sure have a lot of rp roles and id rather keep away with over the desk science argument drama RP/IC bordering on reality. I have the sheer stupidity or persistence to keep fighting my corner when other weaker RD's in the role would have given up, despite my bumbling unrobustness purely because i care about my department being screwed over by people who make bad IC life choices (ironically).

Ok i've opened up my fleshy underbelly for criticism with my own contextless just logged on screenshot, what do you make of this

[Timbrewolf]

Sec is all RP

This thread keeps getting better.

I'm a citizen of the station I don't consent to this arrest

You can't just slap the cuffs on me you have to RP it

[FantasticFwoosh]

Sec is all RP

This thread keeps getting better.

I'm a citizen of the station I don't consent to this arrest

You can't just slap the cuffs on me you have to RP it

I forget, isn't that policy on code green & blue? (probably just green)

[Screemonster]

Sec is all RP

This thread keeps getting better.

I'm a citizen of the station I don't consent to this arrest

You can't just slap the cuffs on me you have to RP it

I forget, isn't that policy on code green & blue? (probably just green)

no, it's bay

[FantasticFwoosh]

Sec is all RP

This thread keeps getting better.

I'm a citizen of the station I don't consent to this arrest

You can't just slap the cuffs on me you have to RP it

I forget, isn't that policy on code green & blue? (probably just green)

no, it's bay

Remove code green then, privacy laws in the statement and individual right for (sec to not be snooping validhunt assholes regardless of alert) privacy is invalid.

But yeah, back to topic, it really took this long to try to explain to you all about the science/mining situation, still waiting for a valid response on the content matter that isn't derail from people who should know better trying to get the thread shut down.

[D&B]

Sec is all RP

This thread keeps getting better.

I'm a citizen of the station I don't consent to this arrest

You can't just slap the cuffs on me you have to RP it

I forget, isn't that policy on code green & blue? (probably just green)

no, it's bay

Remove code green then, privacy laws in the statement and individual right for (sec to not be snooping validhunt assholes regardless of alert) privacy is invalid.

But yeah, back to topic, it really took this long to try to explain to you all about the science/mining situation, still waiting for a valid response on the content matter that isn't derail from people who should know better trying to get the thread shut down.

I mean there's nothing else to add besides calling you a sperg.