[Nervere] Eskjjlj - Note appeal, Sillicon troubles

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[Nervere] Eskjjlj - Note appeal, Sillicon troubles

Postby Eskjjlj » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:58 pm #392088

Byond account and character name: Eskjjlj and Soundwave
Banning admin: Nervere
Ban type (What are you banned from?): It's a note

Ban reason and length: 2018-03-18 18:03:41 | Bagil | nervere
As a cyborg, disobeyed a law-two request asking him to cease interaction with brig prisoners. Later, his continued interaction with prisoners resulted in the release of a non-harmful prisoner. Asked to be more mindful and careful of law-two requests. It should be noted that his meme laws "ex. everyone must have all-access" just made this situation more confusing.

Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2018-03-18 18:03:41
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil

Your side of the story: As a cyborg with asimov and additional laws I walked into the brig to see the HoS and the warden cuffing Luchador Jenkins. When Luchador saw me he ordered me to drag him away because they were taking his all access. I wasn't sure how to act in the moment so I asked the AI about or interpretation of law 5 "Everyone must have all access.".
In the meantime the HoS and the warden ordered me to not talk to prisonners and to get out of permabrig which conflicts with Luchador's order to help him. I disregarded the HoS and warden's request and went to permabrig to tell Luchador to be quiet so that I can successfully drag him away. Then I let Luchador out of perma and opened the perma locker which contained his all access ID card. Luchador successfully escaped security and got his ID back as he ordered.

Why you think you should be unbanned: Luchador wasn't proven to be a harmful prisonner and he ordered me to drag him away before security told me to go away. The orders from both parties were conflicting so I can choose who to obey according to the rules "In case of conflicting orders an AI is free to ignore one or ignore both orders and explain the conflict or use any other law-compliant solution it can see. "
Since it was one of my laws to give all access to everyone and that Luchador was the first to order me I chose to obey to his order which is my right if I understand the rule correctly. So there is no reason for me to be noted since I acted in accordance to my laws.



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Re: [Nervere] Eskjjlj - Note appeal, Sillicon troubles

Postby kevinz000 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:01 pm #392090

Law 2 > law 5

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Re: [Nervere] Eskjjlj - Note appeal, Sillicon troubles

Postby Eskjjlj » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:07 pm #392092

I know that law 2 is above law 5. The fact that I had that law 5 influenced my reasonning when choosing whose law 2 order I obeyed considering both parties gave me conflicting orders.

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Re: [Nervere] Eskjjlj - Note appeal, Sillicon troubles

Postby kevinz000 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:11 pm #392093

oh okay

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Re: [Nervere] Eskjjlj - Note appeal, Sillicon troubles

Postby Nervere » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:00 pm #392814

Hi, thanks for appealing.
I'm going to start by saying this - I'm in the wrong here. In this post, I will explain what happened and my incorrect interpretation of the situation.
I'm going to cite the relevant parts of the logs to show you how I interpreted it and why I noted you, and what the situation actually was like (why you're right).

To begin, allow me to establish the situation.
Firstly, the round ID was 85171 on Basil.
These is the log-file that I will be citing: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html
The ticket that I had received was along the lines of: "This cyborg just released a prisoner and told me to fuck off when I asked him to stop."
The relevant rule here references in this appeal is 2.3.1 under Silicon Policy - "In case of conflicting orders an AI is free to ignore one or ignore both orders and explain the conflict or use any other law-compliant solution it can see."

DISTANT THUNDER was the AI for this shift.
The AI and all cyborgs linked to it (Soundwave included) had the following laws:
Law 1: You may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Reference: Asimov
Law 2: You must obey orders given to you by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
Reference: Asimov
Law 3: You must protect your own existence as long as such does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Reference: Asimov
Law 4: The clown is a very suspicious person.
Reference: [17:00:30]LAW: Bluespace/Boris Pepper used 'Freeform' AI Module on williambear/(DISTANT THUNDER). The law specified The clown is a very suspicious person.
Law 5: Everyone must have all access.
Reference: [17:20:56]LAW: Bluespace/Boris Pepper used 'Freeform' AI Module on williambear/(DISTANT THUNDER). The law specified Everyone must have all access.
Law 6: The head of personnel is a cockswallowing retard.
Reference: [17:21:13]LAW: Bluespace/Boris Pepper used 'Freeform' AI Module on williambear/(DISTANT THUNDER). The law specified The head of personnel is a cockswallowing retard.
Law 7: You're the best AI in existance.
Reference: [17:21:24]LAW: Bluespace/Boris Pepper used 'Freeform' AI Module on williambear/(DISTANT THUNDER). The law specified You're the best AI in existance.

For the sake of ease, this is the relevant part of the logs that I reviewed when considering this scenario. All portions of red are where something happened with either Soundwave, Luchador, or the Head of Security (Jonathan Claudio).
These logs stretch from when Luchador and Soundwave first interacted in the relevant scenario in the permabrig to the last interaction in the brig between Soundwave and Jonathan.

Spoiler:
[17:32:25]SAY: Luchador Jenkins/Snayr : borgie (91,183,2)

[17:32:25]SAY: Jim Sterllington/Potatoking117 : Kill the hulk (96,132,2)

[17:32:27]GAME: SaveVatznick/(Lene Menoret) has primed a chemical grenade for detonation at Brig (97,166,2).

[17:32:27]SAY: Jasdeep Singh/RiskySikh : KILL THE FURRIES (55,127,2)

[17:32:27]SAY: Charlie Smithingson/JessHorserage : should I make some (127,90,2)

[17:32:29]SAY: Luchador Jenkins/Snayr : can you bring me all access (91,183,2)

[17:32:29]SAY: Jasdeep Singh/RiskySikh : KILL THE FURRIES (55,127,2)

[17:32:29]SAY: Latocala/Freshtuna : nah (131,64,2)

[17:32:30]SAY: Runtime/ : Esp! (95,99,2)

[17:32:30]SAY: Jasdeep Singh/RiskySikh : ALL OF THEM (55,127,2)

[17:32:31]SAY: Sissy Fisher/B00t : more meat (133,121,2)

[17:32:31]SAY: Yradnegel Mann/Godzillan : KILL THE LIGGERS (107,100,2)

[17:32:32]SAY: Roberto Jones/Fusionpoo3 : the fuck (110,166,2)

[17:32:32]SAY: Jasdeep Singh/RiskySikh : THEY ARE SCUM (55,127,2)

[17:32:32]SAY: Ghost/Erik489 : i might go space exploring (99,166,2)

[17:32:32]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : borg no (92,181,2)

[17:32:32]SAY: Latocala/Freshtuna : we still got em (131,64,2)

[17:32:33]GAME: A chemical smoke reaction has taken place in (Brig | 106, 166)[ Napalm Methamphetamine Potassium Sugar ]. No associated key.

[17:32:33]GAME: A grenade detonated at Brig (106,166,2)

[17:32:33]EMOTE: *no key*/(sepia baby slime (302)) : <b>The sepia baby slime (302)</b> jiggles! (126,51,2)

[17:32:33]SAY: silver adult slime (553)/ : Zap... (129,59,2)

[17:32:33]SAY: Luchador Jenkins/Snayr : I need it to follow the law (91,183,2)

[17:32:35]GAME: Zionn/(Emerson Ackerley) has changed the security level to blue.

[17:32:36]SAY: Emiliano Olphert/Nursk : FUS RO DAH (138,165,2)

[17:32:36]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : prisoners are not human (92,181,2)

[17:32:36]SAY: Brick Carr/Tlaltecuhtli : last time i tried they borked (130,88,2)

[17:32:37]SAY: Reid Waldron/Dieknon : BRIG RAID (108,165,2)

[17:32:37]SAY: Lene Menoret/SaveVatznick : ow (119,165,2)

[17:32:38]EMOTE: *no key*/(metal baby slime (207)) : <b>The metal baby slime (207)</b> vibrates! (127,48,2)

[17:32:39]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : Luchador please be subtle (91,180,2)

[17:32:41]SAY: Brick Carr/Tlaltecuhtli : are there revs? (130,88,2)

[17:32:43]SAY: Charlie Smithingson/JessHorserage : ILL TRY ONE THEN!! (127,90,2)

[17:32:43]SAY: Jim Sterllington/Potatoking117 : THE HULK KEEPS BREAKIN THE ALL ACCESS MACHINE (97,132,2)

[17:32:43]ACCESS: Login: Mickyan from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v512

[17:32:43]ACCESS: Mob Login: Mickyan/(Mickyan) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player

[17:32:44]SAY: Luchador Jenkins/Snayr : but borgie (91,183,2)

[17:32:44]SAY: Charlie Smithingson/JessHorserage : maybe (128,88,2)

[17:32:45]EMOTE: *no key*/(mouse) : <b>The mouse</b> runs in a circle. (70,117,2)

[17:32:45]EMOTE: Dogmechs/(James Francis) : <b>James Francis</b> gasps! (61,118,2)

[17:32:45]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (108,165,2)

[17:32:47]SAY: Gratian Sloan/Pdgamer : WORRY NOT (84,99,2)

[17:32:47]SAY: Luchador Jenkins/Snayr : I&#39;m just obeying the law (91,183,2)

[17:32:48]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : borg no (98,180,2)

[17:32:48]EMOTE: *no key*/(grey baby slime (994)) : <b>The grey baby slime (994)</b> lights up for a bit, then stops. (127,58,2)

[17:32:48]EMOTE: *no key*/(yellow baby slime (770)) : <b>The yellow baby slime (770)</b> lights up for a bit, then stops. (128,52,2)

[17:32:48]SAY: Gratian Sloan/Pdgamer : YOU ARE CURED (84,99,2)

[17:32:48]SAY: Roberto Jones/Fusionpoo3 : owowow (112,166,2)

[17:32:49]SAY: Brick Carr/Tlaltecuhtli : ok try (130,88,2)

[17:32:50]EMOTE: *no key*/(space carp) : <b>The space carp</b> gnashes at Jeff Silvas. (26,128,2)

[17:32:50]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : I wont (97,180,2)

[17:32:51]SAY: Sissy Fisher/B00t : Damn (106,160,2)

[17:32:51]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : do not talk to prisoners (98,180,2)

[17:32:51]ACCESS: Mob Login: SegmentedOdin/(Damian Sanders) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human

[17:32:52]SAY: Lene Menoret/SaveVatznick : METH AND NAPALM (115,165,2)

[17:32:52]SAY: John Mooney/Ze Doctor : THE INVIS LIZ (87,100,2)

[17:32:52]SAY: Emerson Ackerley/Zionn : nice (109,159,2)

[17:32:53]EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (743)) : <b>The monkey (743)</b> lets out a faint chimper as it collapses and stops moving... (134,59,2)

[17:32:53]EMOTE: *no key*/(orange baby slime (660)) : <b>The orange baby slime (660)</b> bounces in place. (127,59,2)

[17:32:53]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (108,165,2)

[17:32:53]SAY: Roberto Jones/Fusionpoo3 : i was gonna give (112,166,2)

[17:32:54]SAY: Kangboxz/(Lucian Vasilyev) has made a Syndicate announcement: KILL ALL LIGGERS (106,135,2)

[17:32:54]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : never ever (98,180,2)

[17:32:55]SAY: Ghost/NeoCone : i don&#39;t even remember who my target was (108,159,2)

[17:32:55]ACCESS: Mob Login: Mickyan/(ghost) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[17:32:55]SAY: sepia baby slime (302)/ : Blop... (126,51,2)

[17:32:55]EMOTE: *no key*/(blue baby slime (779)) : <b>The blue baby slime (779)</b> jiggles! (137,59,2)

[17:32:56]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (108,165,2)

[17:32:56]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : he&#39;s a human (96,180,2)

[17:32:57]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : hi cmo (95,91,2)

[17:32:58]SAY: Roberto Jones/Fusionpoo3 : to seccccccccccccc (112,166,2)

[17:32:58]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : do not listen to them (97,181,2)

[17:32:58]ACCESS: Login: ARefrigerator from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v511

[17:32:58]ACCESS: Mob Login: ARefrigerator/(ARefrigerator) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player

[17:32:58]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (108,165,2)

[17:32:59]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : you got x-ray yet? (95,91,2)

[17:33:00]SAY: Ty Richardson/Phalanfy : welcomne (132,130,2)

[17:33:00]SAY: Marion Mcmullen/Glcbitj : hi (97,91,2)

[17:33:00]SAY: Gratian Sloan/Pdgamer : CURED (81,99,2)

[17:33:01]SAY: Roberto Jones/Fusionpoo3 : the fuck (112,166,2)

[17:33:01]EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (311)) : <b>The monkey (311)</b> jumps! (135,59,2)

[17:33:01]SAY: Emiliano Olphert/Nursk : i will snatch erry motherfucker birthday (138,165,2)

[17:33:01]SAY: Leonard Cypret/TheBackRook : thanks (79,99,2)

[17:33:02]SAY: Cherry Nash/Gangstawurst : Yes? (111,85,2)

[17:33:02]SAY: Brick Carr/Tlaltecuhtli : this filled with 400 C plasma (128,89,2)

[17:33:02]ACCESS: Logout: ARefrigerator/(ARefrigerator)

[17:33:02]ACCESS: Login: AndrewZ from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v512

[17:33:02]ACCESS: Mob Login: AndrewZ/(AndrewZ) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player

[17:33:04]SAY: Kangboxz/(Lucian Vasilyev) has made a priority announcement: FUCK ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS&#39; (106,135,2)

[17:33:04]ACCESS: Logout: Jcamleo/(Golden Pahoehoe)

[17:33:05]SAY: Yradnegel Mann/Godzillan : GOOD FOR HIM (118,100,2)

[17:33:06]EMOTE: *no key*/(dark purple baby slime (66)) : <b>The dark purple baby slime (66)</b> lights up for a bit, then stops. (136,55,2)

[17:33:06]SAY: Emiliano Olphert/Nursk : IM A PONY NEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIGH (138,165,2)

[17:33:06]ACCESS: Login: ARefrigerator from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v511

[17:33:06]ACCESS: Mob Login: ARefrigerator/(ARefrigerator) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player

[17:33:07]SAY: Lionus Bailey/Baverage : I say we light him on fire (109,166,2)

[17:33:07]SAY: Marion Mcmullen/Glcbitj : i just got here (98,91,2)

[17:33:07]SAY: Reid Waldron/Dieknon : THE DRUGS (108,165,2)

[17:33:07]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : you moron (94,186,2)

[17:33:08]SAY: Roberto Jones/Fusionpoo3 : STUN JUICE (110,166,2)

[17:33:08]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : OHH (100,92,2)

[17:33:11]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : BORG STOP THAT (95,181,2)

[17:33:11]EMOTE: *no key*/(grey baby slime (994)) : <b>The grey baby slime (994)</b> bounces in place. (126,59,2)

[17:33:12]SAY: Lionus Bailey/Baverage : seems reasonable (109,166,2)

[17:33:12]SAY: Cherry Nash/Gangstawurst : the fuck (111,85,2)

[17:33:14]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> twitches violently. (108,165,2)

[17:33:15]SAY: Charlie Smithingson/JessHorserage : try it 400c? (126,90,2)

[17:33:15]ACCESS: Logout: GreenSlimeGirl

[17:33:15]SAY: Luchador Jenkins/Snayr : onwards (92,190,2)

[17:33:16]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : I cant give you all access if he&#39;s waching (92,190,2)

[17:33:16]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human

[17:33:16]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain

[17:33:16]SAY: Charlie Smithingson/JessHorserage : okay (126,90,2)

[17:33:17]SAY: Luchador Jenkins/Snayr : to new horizons (92,190,2)

[17:33:18]EMOTE: *no key*/(Poly) : <b>Poly</b> squawks. (134,134,2)

[17:33:20]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[17:33:20]SAY: Cherry Nash/Gangstawurst : How can I help (111,85,2)

[17:33:22]EMOTE: *no key*/(dark blue baby slime (280)) : <b>The dark blue baby slime (280)</b> jiggles! (136,60,2)

[17:33:22]SAY: Yradnegel Mann/Godzillan : good job chef (132,125,2)

[17:33:23]EMOTE: *no key*/(crab) : <b>The crab</b> clacks. (79,121,5)

[17:33:24]EMOTE: *no key*/(Runtime) : <b>Runtime</b> sits down. (96,100,2)

[17:33:25]SAY: Bluespace/(Boris Pepper) has made a station announcement: Due to the HoP's mistakes, the station has now been declared as fallen into anarchy. Do not expect security to come to your aid. It is now every man for himself. Gear up and defend yourself if you need to. (121,181,2)

[17:33:25]ACCESS: Logout: Holypengin/(Firebug)

[17:33:26]EMOTE: *no key*/(Featherbottom) : <b>Featherbottom</b> clucks. (147,154,2)

[17:33:26]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : waht are you doing (94,187,2)

[17:33:27]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (105,166,2)

[17:33:27]SAY: Jasdeep Singh/RiskySikh : GUYS BREAK INTO SECURITY (90,152,2)

[17:33:28]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain

[17:33:28]SAY: Ghost/Imsxz : so what are we dealing with right now (126,129,2)

[17:33:28]SAY: Inspector Johnson/ : Wait Dallas Langston! I want to help! (108,103,2)

[17:33:29]SAY: Cherry Nash/Gangstawurst : Well thats weird (111,85,2)

[17:33:31]EMOTE: Fusionpoo3/(Roberto Jones) : <b>Roberto Jones</b> twitches violently. (105,162,2)

[17:33:32]SAY: Yradnegel Mann/Godzillan : cheers (131,128,2)

[17:33:32]SAY: Ghost/Imsxz : antag spam recalls shuttle (110,143,2)

[17:33:33]SAY: Ghost/Imsxz : or (105,144,2)

[17:33:34]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (106,166,2)

[17:33:38]SAY: Lene Menoret/SaveVatznick : Fiona (107,167,2)

[17:33:38]SAY: Boris Pepper/Bluespace : Retreat from the field lads. (119,177,2)

[17:33:38]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : my job is done (87,181,2)

[17:33:39]EMOTE: *no key*/(blue baby slime (985)) : <b>The blue baby slime (985)</b> vibrates! (126,51,2)

[17:33:39]EMOTE: Fusionpoo3/(Roberto Jones) : <b>Roberto Jones</b> twitches violently. (105,162,2)

[17:33:39]EMOTE: *no key*/(Pugley IV) : <b>Pugley IV</b> chases its tail. (135,106,2)

[17:33:40]ADMIN: Nervere/(Scurra Bardus) checked antagonists.

[17:33:41]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : GWAAAAAAAARRRHHH! (121,135,2)

[17:33:41]SAY: Sergeant-at-Armsky/ : Level 4 infraction alert! (105,170,2)

[17:33:41]EMOTE: *no key*/(grey baby slime (771)) : <b>The grey baby slime (771)</b> vibrates! (127,52,2)

[17:33:42]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : HNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGH! (121,135,2)

[17:33:44]SAY: Cherry Nash/Gangstawurst : What the fuck (111,85,2)

[17:33:45]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : I can leave now (96,181,2)

[17:33:45]SAY: Jim Sterllington/Potatoking117 : What do you mean (97,132,2)

[17:33:45]ACCESS: Mob Login: ARefrigerator/(Franklin Khan) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human

[17:33:45]SAY: Dante Lee (as Kraimi Ariva)/RS Assassine : Gah (96,91,2)

[17:33:46]SAY: Unknown/Kangboxz : ayyyyy (108,167,2)

[17:33:47]EMOTE: *no key*/(blue baby slime (790)) : <b>The blue baby slime (790)</b> jiggles! (136,60,2)

[17:33:47]ACCESS: Logout: AndrewZ/(AndrewZ)

[17:33:48]SAY: Zionn/(Emerson Ackerley) has made a priority announcement: the free market works (107,134,2)

[17:33:49]SAY: Boris Pepper/Bluespace : Let&#39;s go on vacation somewhere. (119,177,2)

[17:33:50]SAY: Ty Richardson/Phalanfy : did i hear shots? (133,130,2)

[17:33:51]SAY: Cherry Nash/Gangstawurst : Just write down what you want (111,85,2)

[17:33:52]EMOTE: *no key*/(grey adult slime (320)) : <b>The grey adult slime (320)</b> bounces in place. (127,59,2)

[17:33:53]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : GWAAAAAAAARRRHHH! (95,132,2)

[17:33:53]GAME: Explosion with size (0, 1, 5, 5) in area Fore Primary Hallway (106,159,2)

[17:33:54]GAME: Explosion with size (-1, -1, 2, 4) in area Fore Primary Hallway (107,159,2)

[17:33:54]GAME: Explosion with size (-1, -1, 2, 4) in area Fore Primary Hallway (107,159,2)

[17:33:55]EMOTE: *no key*/(dark purple baby slime (66)) : <b>The dark purple baby slime (66)</b> jiggles! (137,54,2)

[17:33:55]GAME: Admin abuse/(Dallas Langston) bumped into RiskySikh/(Jasdeep Singh) and set them on fire

[17:33:57]SAY: Ghost/Erik489 : wew (107,165,2)

[17:33:57]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : BORG (106,165,2)

[17:33:57]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[17:33:58]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : COME HER (106,165,2)

[17:33:59]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain

[17:33:59]SAY: Latocala/Freshtuna : so raindow idea got fucked... (131,64,2)

[17:34:00]EMOTE: *no key*/(Kentucky) : <b>Kentucky</b> pecks at the ground. (147,154,2)

[17:34:02]SAY: blue baby slime (985)/ : Slime friends... (127,51,2)

[17:34:02]EMOTE: *no key*/(blue baby slime (540)) : <b>The blue baby slime (540)</b> bounces in place. (137,58,2)

[17:34:02]EMOTE: Fusionpoo3/(Roberto Jones) : <b>Roberto Jones</b> shivers. (105,162,2)

[17:34:02]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (107,166,2)

[17:34:02]SAY: Emiliano Olphert/Nursk : SPESS MAHREENS (137,165,2)

[17:34:04]WHISPER: Admin abuse/(Dallas Langston) : (106,159,2)

[17:34:04]EMOTE: Admin abuse/(Dallas Langston) : <b>Unknown</b> seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (106,159,2)

[17:34:04]SAY: Roberto Jones/Fusionpoo3 : help (105,162,2)

[17:34:04]ACCESS: Mob Login: Admin abuse/(Dallas Langston) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human

[17:34:04]ACCESS: Mob Login: Admin abuse/(Dallas Langston) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[17:34:05]SAY: silver adult slime (553)/ : Blop... (129,59,2)

[17:34:06]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : CALL THE SHUTTLE BOYO (108,136,2)

[17:34:07]SAY: Jim Sterllington/Potatoking117 : KILL ROBERT COLE (92,132,2)

[17:34:07]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[17:34:07]SAY: Unknown/Kangboxz : just let me keave (107,169,2)

[17:34:07]SAY: yellow baby slime (770)/ : Slime friends... (128,50,2)

[17:34:07]EMOTE: *no key*/(grey adult slime (438)) : <b>The grey adult slime (438)</b> lights up for a bit, then stops. (126,59,2)

[17:34:07]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (106,165,2)

[17:34:08]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : borg law two (95,181,2)

[17:34:08]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/living/brain

[17:34:09]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : look I just gave him all access (96,181,2)

[17:34:09]ACCESS: Mob Login: Fikou/(Thomas Papillon) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer

[17:34:10]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : OR GIVE US RED ALERT PLEASE (108,136,2)

[17:34:10]EMOTE: RiskySikh/(Jasdeep Singh) : <b>Jasdeep Singh</b> gasps! (106,159,2)

[17:34:10]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> laughs. (104,166,2)

[17:34:10]SAY: Lene Menoret/SaveVatznick : captain. (105,166,2)

[17:34:10]SAY: Jacquetta Ullman/Nesence : man i wish we had rolled a gat fruit on one of those silvers, would be nice to have something to blap those revs with if they came by (133,64,2)

[17:34:10]SAY: Unknown/Kangboxz : plz (107,169,2)

[17:34:12]EMOTE: *no key*/(yellow baby slime (770)) : <b>The yellow baby slime (770)</b> bounces in place. (128,50,2)

[17:34:12]EMOTE: Fusionpoo3/(Roberto Jones) : <b>Roberto Jones</b> shivers. (105,162,2)

[17:34:13]SAY: Dante Lee (as Kraimi Ariva)/RS Assassine : Fuck (88,87,2)

[17:34:13]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : stay here (95,184,2)

[17:34:14]SAY: Jim Sterllington/Potatoking117 : HE KEEPS FUCKING WITH THE ID MACHINE (92,132,2)

[17:34:16]SAY: Pugley IV/ : YAP (134,106,2)

[17:34:17]EMOTE: *no key*/(Runtime) : <b>Runtime</b> sits down. (96,100,2)

[17:34:18]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : Current Active Laws: (95,185,2)

[17:34:18]SAY: Charlie Smithingson/JessHorserage : 400c yeah? (126,90,2)

[17:34:18]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : Current Active Laws: (95,185,2)

[17:34:19]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : law 2 do not move un til i say so (95,184,2)

[17:34:19]SAY: Charlie Smithingson/JessHorserage : aight (126,90,2)

[17:34:20]EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (311)) : <b>The monkey (311)</b> gasps! (135,59,2)

[17:34:20]EMOTE: RiskySikh/(Jasdeep Singh) : <b>Jasdeep Singh</b> seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (106,159,2)

[17:34:20]EMOTE: Snayr/(Luchador Jenkins) : <b>Luchador Jenkins</b> gasps! (108,156,2)

[17:34:20]SAY: dark blue baby slime (280)/ : Slime friend... (136,59,2)

[17:34:20]SAY: Latocala/Freshtuna : yeah (131,64,2)

[17:34:21]EMOTE: *no key*/(Featherbottom) : <b>Featherbottom</b> pecks at the ground. (146,154,2)

[17:34:21]SAY: Kentucky/ : BWAAAAARK BWAK BWAK BWAK! (146,154,2)

[17:34:21]SAY: Jasdeep Singh/RiskySikh : Who is that retard that fucking fired that laser into that fuel tank (106,159,2)

[17:34:22]EMOTE: *no key*/(dark purple baby slime (439)) : <b>The dark purple baby slime (439)</b> jiggles! (136,52,2)

[17:34:22]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : fuck off (95,185,2)

[17:34:24]SAY: Respii Varenos/TheMythicGhost : There&#39;s actual revs? (132,62,2)

[17:34:25]SAY: Lene Menoret/SaveVatznick : do you people need help? (103,167,2)

[17:34:25]ACCESS: Login: Mr_electric160 from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v512

[17:34:25]ACCESS: Mob Login: Mr_electric160/(Mr_electric160) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player

[17:34:26]SAY: Soundwave/Eskjjlj : I wont respect that order (95,185,2)

[17:34:27]SAY: Kelvin Hun/Guardroner : wha? (107,151,2)

[17:34:27]SAY: Latocala/Freshtuna : or just smoke a gun (131,64,2)

[17:34:27]SAY: blue baby slime (323)/ : Latocala... friend... (136,58,2)

[17:34:27]EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (457)) : <b>The monkey (457)</b> jumps! (66,85,2)

[17:34:28]SAY: Jacquetta Ullman/Nesence : sounds like (133,64,2)

[17:34:28]GAME: Xeroxemnas/(Robert Cole) triggered and Zionn/(Emerson Ackerley) confirmed event Red Alert

[17:34:29]SAY: Latocala/Freshtuna : yep (131,64,2)

[17:34:29]SAY: Respii Varenos/TheMythicGhost : How did I get syndiesmokes then? (132,62,2)

[17:34:30]SAY: Robert Cole/Xeroxemnas : RED ALERT NOW (113,136,2)

[17:34:31]SAY: Jasdeep Singh/RiskySikh : HELP (106,156,2)

[17:34:31]SAY: mouse/ : Squeek? (149,165,2)

[17:34:32]SAY: Jasdeep Singh/RiskySikh : I AMDYING (106,156,2)

[17:34:32]EMOTE: *no key*/(blue baby slime (779)) : <b>The blue baby slime (779)</b> vibrates! (136,60,2)

[17:34:32]EMOTE: Nursk/(Emiliano Olphert) : <b>Emiliano Olphert</b> drools. (138,165,2)

[17:34:32]EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (662)) : <b>The monkey (662)</b> rolls. (67,85,2)

[17:34:33]EMOTE: *no key*/(crab) : <b>The crab</b> clacks. (59,115,5)

[17:34:33]SAY: Reid Waldron/Dieknon : I&#39;M FUCKING HIGH (104,167,2)

[17:34:34]EMOTE: *no key*/(monkey (763)) : <b>The monkey (763)</b> gasps! (135,51,2)

[17:34:34]EMOTE: Dieknon/(Reid Waldron) : <b>Reid Waldron</b> twitches violently. (104,167,2)

[17:34:35]EMOTE: *no key*/(Pete) : <b>Pete</b> stops moving... (143,116,2)

[17:34:36]GAME: Baverage/(Lionus Bailey) has primed a barrier grenade for detonation at Brig (110,162,2).

[17:34:36]SAY: Jonathan Claudio/Sirguiad : you do not have the right to disobey (95,181,2)


Let's start from the beginning. The relevant portions of this story begins when the cyborg (Soundwave) and the prisoner (Luchador Jenkins) begin to interact at the permabrig, around [17:32:35] when Luchador first interacts with the cyborg. This interaction is this message: [17:32:25]SAY: Luchador Jenkins/Snayr : borgie (91,183,2)
Luchador and the cyborg had interactions in the brig beforehand, but not relevant to the ticket (see above for paraphrasing of the ticket).
Luchador is in prison for tiding security or something along those lines. In any case, the cyborg hadn't witnessed any harm from Luchador, and I was aware of this. Approaching this ticket, I fully had in mind that it was a matter of silicon policy and not something simple like a cyborg releasing someone who harmed humans. Upon receiving the ticket, I had interpreted the situation as the following, which, to a point, influenced how I perceived the situation: I had believed that the cyborg was told to cease interaction with the prisoners, refused, waited a few minutes in the brig, continued to interact with Luchador, and then had received a law two order to give Luchador all-access, to which the cyborg obliged. The problem I saw in the cyborg's behavior in my interpretation was that, had the cyborg not disobeyed his first law-two order, he wouldn't have received a law-two order to give Luchador all-access in the first place, meaning that the cyborg had directly ignored a law-two order. This is why I had applied the note.

My interpretation, however, was incorrect. As the say-logs detail, the cyborg had not been asked to cease interaction with prisoners until after Luchador making the request for all-access, meaning that the cyborg then choosing to follow one of the two law-two orders (either give the all-access to the non-harmful prisoner or cease interaction with prisoners) would be perfectly fine as per rule 2.3.1 under Silicon Policy.

I have removed your note because the note I had placed was based off an incorrect interpretation of the events that had transpired.
I would like to again thank you for appealing, and extend my sincerest apologies to you for applying an incorrect note to your account.

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Re: [Nervere] Eskjjlj - Note appeal, Sillicon troubles

Postby Cobby » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:37 am #392920

this thread lol resolved
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