Character name: Ismael 'Oats' Utanta
Ban type: Command roles
Ban length: 2 weeks
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Captain, Field Commander, Pilot Officer, Chief Ship Engineer, Requisitions Officer, Chief Medical Officer, Squad Leader, SOM Squad Leader for 2 weeks - Injected engineer with sleeping chems after he attempted to go back to a plat miner against his orders as FC. When said engineer died, stripped him of his armor and told a Corpsman not to revive him.
Round ID in which ban was placed: 22796
Your side of the story: Marines had just arrived at the SOM base disk on Slumbridge (next to Engineering and opening right into caves), I was FC for the op. This was the second disk we were doing and the most important since it sat next to caves. I was circling the area around disk to gather stragglers and get the area cleared of maze and properly defended. I saw an engineer on the bridge leading out to an asteroid next to caves with a plat miner on it.
I asked him to go back and hold West (the bridge, south of the disk, is a good chokepoint for keeping the area below disk from getting flanked):
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MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Back."
MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Hold west."
CPL Checkers H. Fleckers says, "Epic plat miner."
CPL Checkers H. Fleckers says, "So much money."
MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Don't care."
CPL Checkers H. Fleckers says, "Ok cope."
CPL Checkers H. Fleckers says, "I aint going back."
MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Not enough marines to guard it."
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Ismael 'Oats' Utanta punched Checkers H. Fleckers!
CPL Checkers H. Fleckers yells, "I dont care!!"
MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Bad engi."
3 units injected. 54 units remaining in Advanced hypospray.
CPL Checkers H. Fleckers says, "I guard it myself."
You put Advanced hypospray into the medkit pouch.
CPL Checkers H. Fleckers says, "No based engie."
CPL Checkers H. Fleckers snores.
Ismael 'Oats' Utanta has grabbed Checkers H. Fleckers passively!
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Ismael 'Oats' Utanta points to Checkers H. Fleckers
MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Cade."
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[Engineering (FCDR)] MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Checkers."
[Engineering (FCDR)] MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "If you die I'm looting your mats, cutting off your head, and sending your body shipside."
He died at the miner shortly after and xenos started using his corpse as bait - to which a trickle of marines started getting diverted from the disk to go to his cross on the map. I didn't want yet another death spiral of marines getting baited into saving someone that died far from disk (this exact thing ended up happening later in the round when stragglers didn't move to the next disk), so I got a sniper to cover me from the bridge, synaptizine'd myself and went to grab + jetpack his corpse back to safety.
A medic came over shortly as I was dragging his body back to disk and I told them he is not getting revived, because I told him not to go to that plat miner alone. The medic said he was deaf. I dragged the engineer's body into disk and stripped him like I said I would, told the medics next to me not to revive because I told him he would not be revived if he died at the plat miner, gave the mats in his armor to the synth to reinforce disk (which at this point was still mazed and only caded by the synth, from what I could see), then took razorwire from his backpack and used it to reinforce the caves flank of the disk that the bulk of the marine force was trying to hold.
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MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Leave him dead."
MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "Told him."
CPL Christian Frederiksen asks, "On god?"
MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "No revive if he suicides at plat."
CPL Christian Frederiksen says, "What if we just give him a knife."
MAJ Ismael 'Oats' Utanta says, "And he suicided at plat."
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-- Private Message --
Admin PM from-Barnet: Er, so why did you strip Checkers?
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PM to-Staff: I told him not to go the plat, that there were not enough marines, and he refused. I said if he dies there he will not be revived and I will strip his corpse. He died. We need engis guarding disk, not solo suiciding at plat miners
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Admin PM from-Barnet: And apparently you injected him with sleeping drugs?
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PM to-Staff: Yeah the first time he refused I gave him 2.4u soporific (about 10s of sleep) and dragged him back to bridge where I told him to cade. He ran back to miner immediately and died alone.
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Admin PM from-Barnet: Your duty as FC is to lead by suggestion, not by force. You carrying a hypospray full of sleeping chems is extremely questionable to me.
I dislike stealth plat mining as much as you do, but griefing him by stripping him after he dies and sleep cheming him is not okay.
In addition, trying to interfere with a corpsman job saying not to revive him is fucked as well. If a player is griefing, ahelp;
though even as unsensible to you as what he did, it was an attempt to help the team with points. Given this, I would hand out a command ban.
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I wrote a response to this PM but it automuted me from ahelp because the response was too long (this must surprise you). Here is what I wrote:
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'Will you actually do anything if I ahelp players that are going against orders? I can't command marines when disobeying orders is protected by admins.
Checkers took an important job for the round and ran off to die at a plat miner when I as FC told him not to, that he would die, that he would not get revived if he died, and tried dragging him back to bridge so he could build defences.
He still immediately ran back to the miner, died, and was used as bait by other xenos. What am I supposed to do as command when marines are able to sabotage the op and face zero consequences?
The entire reason I carry a soporific hypospray is so I can drag marines back to where they are needed without hurting them. Being slept for 10 seconds and pulled back to a defended area is literally the least harmful thing I can do to try and organise these marines.
The only other thing I can do is ask them to pull back, which I do every time, and get ignored. Should I ahelp these marines instead? I haven't until now because I've assumed admins won't do anything about them
I've been told to open a policy thread by the banning admin because current policy holds command as having no actual weight in the game beyond being phero dispensers and marines have no expectation to follow orders or even not work against their team beyond outright immediate grief. Expect another wall of text??