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Post by MrStonedOne » #170621

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Post by VincVsVincent » #170744

Best admin by far, everyone else is a cuck
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Post by lollerderby » #170791

Probably the best trialadmin/admin candidate I've ever seen.
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Post by peoplearestrange » #171026

Polite, to the point, briming with knowledge of the game and is dedicated to admining. One of the best admins I've seen for a long while.
Of course they still have little bits and bobs to learn about admining, but they always ask first and then act. A pleasure to work with.
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Re: Okand37

Post by Armhulen » #175446

I had my first ahelp with him earlier, really great guy

handled it well, not much else to say
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Post by Hibbles » #176142

First draft pick for the season, John. Real A+ Bagilmin who does a lot of 'passing' in the 'pocket' on the side of you know what I mean. She can do some big time football.
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My favorite new admin.
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Post by oranges » #176591

Hibbles wrote:Real A+ Bagilmin who does a lot of 'passing' in the 'pocket' on the side of you know what I mean.
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Post by K Peculier » #176613

A great bagilmin who is polite and quick to respond to ahelps. May his watch never end.
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Post by Duncdar » #176823

Extremely nice and polite to deal with, on top of promoting role-play and being extremely help to new players!

Fullmin post haste.

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Post by paprika » #177256

Such is the fate of all those snatched up by the adminbus
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He's ok.
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Re: Okand37

Post by Lilah » #179683

So helpful and kind. Okand always calmly deals with my stupid questions and is so very patient. Good teacher 11/10.
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Post by Anonmare » #179934

She's a great gal. Feel like I have to fight with her over some ahelps though, quick finger on the trigger. Wouldn't mind if she makes fullmin before me.


That's no actually what I'm saying to do though.
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Post by onleavedontatme » #180520

[04:03:22]SAY: Ghost/Okand37 : No, kor said not to mess with megafauna.

I found this while searching for someone to yell at, good admin thank you.
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Post by A3STH3T1CS » #180527

It's injustice for Okand to stay a trialmin, give her fullmin asap.
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Post by Wyzack » #180541

She was talking to me, i spawned one in the thunderdome to fuck about with it. She didnt say why so i assumed it was a crash related bug or something and deleted him
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Re: Okand37

Post by bandit » #182932

Has been confirmed to be in a cheating scandal with Niknakflak. Very disappointed.
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Re: Okand37

Post by NikNakFlak » #182949

I acted alone though...?
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Post by A3STH3T1CS » #183050

this scandal goes without evidence.
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Post by Anonmare » #183091

NikNakFlak wrote:I acted alone though...?
He wasn't alone. You don't get to bring friends.
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Re: Okand37

Post by peoplearestrange » #193053

One of the basil greats. Gets shit done and keeps people in check whilst promoting good RP.

Is also an Ahelp Ninja, seriously... you'll only be able to answer an ahelp if he's currently replying to one. Nice.
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Re: Okand37

Post by AnonymousNow » #194232

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Just had my first interaction with this admin today.

I was talking over a seperate issue with NikNakFlak in a pre-round when I posted about what happened to me the round before, as people tend to when they've had an interesting (for one reason or another) round.
OOC: AnonymousNow: Derrick Cobb here. The real Derrick Cobb. I fistfought the legion (which was glitchily tiny, like bullet sized), got killed after getting a few good hits in, told that that didn't happen, cloned, killed again by another guy with a spear for no reason, brought back, then killed by a traitor in the morgue as I tried to put my clothes back on.
Notice that line about being "told that that didn't happen" up there? Apparently, it made Okand37 very cross.

Now, the intent of posting this bit of information was to share my experiences of the round with the other players, since many of them had been forced to have my face by a rogue geneticist (and people have a tendency to talk about what happened to them post-round if something interesting happened to them). There was that throwaway line about the Niknak discussion, since that was at the time ongoing, but it was a small, detailless part of an elsewhat intended post.

Okand37 felt that he had to intervene.
Admin PM from-Okand37: You can keep things to adminhelps, and you can have your disagreeances but don't bring it into OOC. Go read rule 6.
"Alright, then", I thought, "Since this mix-up in the circumstances surrounding my death is still unclear, I suppose I shall continue with in admin PMs, as requested in this message." So I responded with my best clue as to what could have gone wrong with the thing that killed me (and several other people).
PM to-Admins: Y'know, I've only seen sprite size manipulation with admin intervention. I've seen missized sprites, yes, but nothing that's actually changed size while being observed unless an admin had a finger on a slider.
To which Okand37 responded...
Admin PM from-Okand37: Since you don't seem to understand that ruling is final.

You have been muted from OOC by Okand37.
You have been muted from adminhelp, admin PM and ASAY by Okand37.
Let's skip past my obvious question of "What ruling?" to talk about what went wrong here.

- The admin weighed in on a situation that was being handled by another admin, by attempting to halt the conversation
- They reacted in a knee-jerk fashion when they saw me post about my round experience
- They gave me conflicting information, using my response - which was a course of action they appeared to recommend - as an opportunity to silence me with a chatban.

I'm not posting this in admin complaints because this is supposed to be feedback (and a complaint would get nowhere). It's not often that I run into situations with admins - I recall two other instances in my long time on the server - but I was very disappointed in the conduct of this particular admin, and hope that they can improve.
The situation in question has been clarified - it seems that there was an error in communication regarding the "keep things to adminhelps" message. I'm glad that Okand reached out to me to address this.
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Re: Okand37

Post by NikNakFlak » #194237

OOC: AnonymousNow: Derrick Cobb here. The real Derrick Cobb. I fistfought the legion (which was glitchily tiny, like bullet sized), got killed after getting a few good hits in, told that that didn't happen, cloned, killed again by another guy with a spear for no reason, brought back, then killed by a traitor in the morgue as I tried to put my clothes back on.
Notice that line about being "told that that didn't happen" up there? Apparently, it made Okand37 very cross.

Now, the intent of posting this bit of information was to share my experiences of the round with the other players, since many of them had been forced to have my face by a rogue geneticist (and people have a tendency to talk about what happened to them post-round if something interesting happened to them). There was that throwaway line about the Niknak discussion, since that was at the time ongoing, but it was a small, detailless part of an elsewhat intended post.
Yes, because saying "Got told that didn't happen" is not true. I said what I saw and you said what you saw, I never told you that it didn't happen and you stating it like that is quite dickish because it's putting words in an admin's mouth that I didn't say. Taking your dumb salt to OOC and misleading the situation to basically shit talk is bogus.

Admin PM from-Okand37: You can keep things to adminhelps, and you can have your disagreeances but don't bring it into OOC. Go read rule 6.

"Alright, then", I thought, "Since this mix-up in the circumstances surrounding my death is still unclear, I suppose I shall continue with in admin PMs, as requested in this message." So I responded with my best clue as to what could have gone wrong with the thing that killed me (and several other people).
PM to-Admins: Y'know, I've only seen sprite size manipulation with admin intervention. I've seen missized sprites, yes, but nothing that's actually changed size while being observed unless an admin had a finger on a slider.
Probably because taking your admin pm salt to OOC and intentionally misleading OOC as to what happened is shitty. Your follow up response claiming it was admins that did it is even better though, which is probably why you were muted right after.
To which Okand37 responded...

Admin PM from-Okand37: Since you don't seem to understand that ruling is final.

You have been muted from OOC by Okand37.
You have been muted from adminhelp, admin PM and ASAY by Okand37.

Let's skip past my obvious question of "What ruling?" to talk about what went wrong here.

- The admin weighed in on a situation that was being handled by another admin, by attempting to halt the conversation
- They reacted in a knee-jerk fashion when they saw me post about my round experience
- They gave me conflicting information, using my response - which was a course of action they appeared to recommend - as an opportunity to silence me with a chatban.

I'm not posting this in admin complaints because this is supposed to be feedback (and a complaint would get nowhere). It's not often that I run into situations with admins - I recall two other instances in my long time on the server - but I was very disappointed in the conduct of this particular admin, and hope that they can improve.
The conversation was pretty done, I wasn't going to revive you and I was busy hunting down 1 pixel sized legions. I then made a bug report, you taking it to OOC and saying shit that didn't happen is petty. They reacted by calling you out on your shit and simply switched to claiming it was admins that did it and you were surprised when muted? I fail to see how any conflicting info was given to you, you were muted because you put on your dumb tin foil hat, it wasn't even a chatban.
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Re: Okand37

Post by AnonymousNow » #194241

NikNakFlak wrote:~
As far as I was concerned or aware, that was what you said. If you're telling me that I misinterpreted what you said, then that's fine - I, as everyone, can misinterpret things sometimes, as has been demonstrated. It may have been due to being mildly annoyed by running into yet another glitch which caused my death, or because I was distracted due to being revived elsewhere in the middle of reading and typing responses.
claiming it was admins that did it
This misunderstanding was covered.
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Re: Okand37

Post by NikNakFlak » #194242

"You didn't say that, I just interpreted it as that you said that"

Nice
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Re: Okand37

Post by AnonymousNow » #194243

NikNakFlak wrote:"You didn't say that, I just interpreted it as that you said that"
Well, you did just clarify that that wasn't the case.
Hornygranny wrote:It's not your codebase. It's our codebase. You can imply soft power as much as you want, but you don't have it. Division between the server and project is absolute. I'm not interested in reading dezzmont platitudes for the billionth time and won't be checking back in this thread.
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Fuck anti-roleplay suggestions and fuck Bay.

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Re: Okand37

Post by NikNakFlak » #194244

I thought you were just salty but now I understand that you also might me dense too if you the reason you are upset is because "I perceived what you told me differently than the way it was exactly stated" and "you perceived what I said wrong from the way I stated it"
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Re: Okand37

Post by AnonymousNow » #194245

Empty insults are not productive. And I wouldn't say I'm upset - more disappointed.

Also...
NikNakFlak wrote:I perceived what you told me differently than the way it was exactly stated and you perceived what I said wrong from the way I stated it
Hornygranny wrote:It's not your codebase. It's our codebase. You can imply soft power as much as you want, but you don't have it. Division between the server and project is absolute. I'm not interested in reading dezzmont platitudes for the billionth time and won't be checking back in this thread.
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~Simplified for the sake of Wyzack's delicate feelings~
Fuck anti-roleplay suggestions and fuck Bay.

Xenomorphs a shit.
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Re: Okand37

Post by NikNakFlak » #194246

Im sorry, would you prefer I speak in haiku from now on since clear sentences don't work.
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Re: Okand37

Post by AnonymousNow » #194247

NikNakFlak wrote:Straight-up insults
Welp, I tried. We're done here.
Hornygranny wrote:It's not your codebase. It's our codebase. You can imply soft power as much as you want, but you don't have it. Division between the server and project is absolute. I'm not interested in reading dezzmont platitudes for the billionth time and won't be checking back in this thread.
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~Simplified for the sake of Wyzack's delicate feelings~
Fuck anti-roleplay suggestions and fuck Bay.

Xenomorphs a shit.
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Re: Okand37

Post by A3STH3T1CS » #194353

my two cents, getting called salty and stating that you're not understanding a point of view isn't an insult.
passive aggressive yeah but not an insult, two different things.

what are some other admins' opinion on okand?
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Re: Okand37

Post by Saegrimr » #194378

Mackerel wrote:what are some other admins' opinion on okand?
I don't often comment on other admin's feedback threads, but this dude is one of the best to come through.
I actively try to be less shitty around him so I don't set a bad example.
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Re: Okand37

Post by Hibbles » #194384

Even if what Okand did was totally incorrect, it would be such a tiny blip compared to all they are and all they do. I know for a fact without having to look it up that there's such blips with you, Anon, and you wouldn't want people to judge you based on those alone.
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Re: Okand37

Post by AnonymousNow » #195003

Hibbles wrote:Even if what Okand did was totally incorrect, it would be such a tiny blip compared to all they are and all they do. I know for a fact without having to look it up that there's such blips with you, Anon, and you wouldn't want people to judge you based on those alone.
Well, of course. It's rare that one piece of information would cause a complete turnaround in opinion on a person, and that was never intended to be the case. It was presented as a criticism, to be regarded alongside their other actions, and I, of course, have my critics.

As it stands, Okand reached out to me and we had a brief discussion about what happened. I'm satisfied with how it was resolved.
Hornygranny wrote:It's not your codebase. It's our codebase. You can imply soft power as much as you want, but you don't have it. Division between the server and project is absolute. I'm not interested in reading dezzmont platitudes for the billionth time and won't be checking back in this thread.
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Fuck anti-roleplay suggestions and fuck Bay.

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Re: Okand37

Post by J_Madison » #225080

You recent ban has mixed opinions by other admins and players.
A few admins and players definitely interpret the rules differently from you which kind of brings a jury on the table since nobody agrees to anything.
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Re: Okand37

Post by Drynwyn » #225085

Understands that a "can valid, must valid, all valids" attitude is unhealthy for the server. I'm glad to see him as Headmin.
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Re: Okand37

Post by TechnoAlchemist » #225095

If you're going to enforce things not in the rules, add them to the rules, even if they seem obvious to you.
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Re: Okand37

Post by bman » #225848

god bless this admin they're like owengo but good.

this is only a joke owengo please do not neuter me.
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Re: Okand37

Post by Alipheese » #228178

Model admin. Works too much and needs a break.

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Re: Okand37

Post by kevinz000 » #231582

Holy shit, most polite admin in history of TG.
Remains inoffensive and cheery even when denying someone's ban appeal, something I've literally never seen.
Also gives great advice!
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Re: Okand37

Post by Digdugxx » #231649

S-SO NICE!
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Re: Okand37

Post by Fiz Bump » #231728

Super duper nice on the forums. Which makes me wonder about the ohoho-ing anime girl in their profile.
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Re: Okand37

Post by Okand37 » #231735

Fiz Bump wrote:Super duper nice on the forums. Which makes me wonder about the ohoho-ing anime girl in their profile.
I thought it was cute!
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Re: Okand37

Post by calzilla1 » #231741

Literally who?
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Re: Okand37

Post by PKPenguin321 » #231812

:-1: stole the player vote from me

nah but for real you're cool
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Re: Okand37

Post by Poorman » #232943

This happened like a month ago, but I feel like I should post this.

I was given a dayban for killing other ashwalkers as an ashwalker, and tried to explain why I did it through in character means, but she shut me down on the basis that ashwalker was a team antagonist role, despite the lack of any real indication this is the case. Ashwalkers do not have an icon to indicate team antagonist status. Regardless, I tried to explain this but I was daybanned.

I honestly feel like Okand uses their own opinion to resolve issues rather then the actual rules, which is a very bad thing to do as an admin. I figured if I posted an appeal, I'd just get shut down by every person on the peanut gallery as a shitter, and nothing would get resolved, but I think that the ban, along with the deliberation, was totally wrong.
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Re: Okand37

Post by Okand37 » #232959

Poorman wrote:This happened like a month ago, but I feel like I should post this.

I was given a dayban for killing other ashwalkers as an ashwalker, and tried to explain why I did it through in character means, but she shut me down on the basis that ashwalker was a team antagonist role, despite the lack of any real indication this is the case. Ashwalkers do not have an icon to indicate team antagonist status. Regardless, I tried to explain this but I was daybanned.

I honestly feel like Okand uses their own opinion to resolve issues rather then the actual rules, which is a very bad thing to do as an admin. I figured if I posted an appeal, I'd just get shut down by every person on the peanut gallery as a shitter, and nothing would get resolved, but I think that the ban, along with the deliberation, was totally wrong.
I remember something along the lines of you saying you killed them because 'they were weak and only the strong survive.' That isn't really considered IC justification for killing someone, especially in a team antagonist role. I informed you of ashwalkers being a team antagonist but you pressed on this being the reason, so I said you'd need to take a break and you did a 180 and completely changed the reasoning as to why you killed them.
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Re: Okand37

Post by Poorman » #232996

Okand37 wrote: I remember something along the lines of you saying you killed them because 'they were weak and only the strong survive.' That isn't really considered IC justification for killing someone, especially in a team antagonist role. I informed you of ashwalkers being a team antagonist but you pressed on this being the reason, so I said you'd need to take a break and you did a 180 and completely changed the reasoning as to why you killed them.

Ashwalkers AREN'T a team antagonist role, though. There's nothing to suggest they are, just because they spawn in the same place. They have no actual team goals besides a fluff post that doesn't specify cooperation at all when they spawn in which you can completely ignore anyways, because it doesn't mean anything. They are totally objectiveless, and have no team icon to indicate they are a team antag. Every other team antagonist role has icons to indicate who you are not allowed to kill and must cooperate with. Ashwalker is just a fuck around role for dead miners, and you're putting your own thoughts on what the role should be instead of what it really is. If you want them to be considered a team antag, put a team icon on them, give them actual objectives, and then you'd be right.
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