[No longer admin]Brotemis

[paprika]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Sometimes permabanning people when you have no evidence that they're involved with a metagaming group is pretty much cause enough for someone to not want to associate with a server. They don't want to appeal. They think you and the rest of the /tg/ administration are conclusion-jumping gmod server admins. And you know what? I'm inclined to believe them after this.

That's the biggest issue I have with this ban, the fact that even though yeah they can appeal 99% of the time when someone is permabanned as a new player they'll just go to a new server and that's your fuckup.

I see you're backpedaling and going w-well if the ban was wrong they can just appeal! and you simply won't admit the ban was wrong. Epic dude.

Edit: Where's this proof by the way? The proof elyina supposedly gave you. Or did you just do it by hearsay. This is completely sloppy administrating.

[oranges]

Forgive me if I am wrong here, but is it not standard practice to issue a permaban that indicates the user should come and appeal on the forum for egregious activity that needs to be hashed out in a form that is more suitable than admin pm's?

If you are certain of your criticisms I believe an admin complaint would be a more suitable location for this discussion to continue. As an aside, do we need to consider a code addition for bans where a user is expected to come and make an appeal thread to hash things out that makes it much more clear what is expected?

[Brotemis]

Have I backpedaled at all? I don't have any second thoughts about the ban in the least. Either way, this discussion concerning the ban is over considering no appeal was ever made. And if they don't want to make an appeal, that's on them.

[paprika]

Don't place shitty permabans instead when you have zero evidence. If you can't admit to that, yeah, the discussion is over, but no, you're not off the hook. Especially since you could have easily asked the person to explain in admin PM, but no, you accused them vaguely and immediately banned them without even telling them what they did wrong. How do you not think that's somehow bad administrating and think that forcing random new players to make a forum account when they haven't done anything wrong is okay? Even if you didn't know that at the time, it seems like you were trying to aggressively take out a group of metagamers (which is good) without actually bothering to do any real investigation.

Mass-permabanning a bunch of people and then letting possible wrong bans work themselves out in FNR is totally shit, I have yet to see another admin do this when they didn't have any evidence.

Besides, that's what admin PMs are for, so people can explain themselves, but if you want to add LAZINESS to the terrible wrong banning be my guest brotemis.

[elyina]

the TheMaidenInBlack account was less than 24 hours old at the time of the ban. I also warned them just before this for breaking into the armory and stealing from it as a nonantag (which might I remind you, you were the one that reported that) then they go on to associate themselves with this group of actual metagamers who had been shitting up the server for quite awhile (see the multiple ban requests against all 3 of them) and asks for their skype? if you actually believe anything they told you then I don't know what to tell you.

any other posts about TheMaidenInBlack in this thread will simply be deleted, this is essentially being used for stenography now. if they want to appeal they have that option available to them, if they'd rather pout about how we're too shitty to be worthy of their appeal they can do that too.

[paprika]

They didn't steal from armory, I literally never said they did that. They broke into the sec gear room and were trying to deconstruct the windoor into the armory. I said it was shitty at best and something the admins should know about. You have no conclusive evidence towards this metagang association and the skype question was immediately associated with continuing ERP. Anyone doing any basic investigation could have found this out, which Pandar did, and neither you nor brotemis did. Lying and then saying "I'll forum mod you out if you disagree" is a really really shitty way to cover this up.

Also, let's not forget that they didn't associate themselves with a metagang, they erped with one of the 'members', which isn't worthy of a permaban at all. Did you look into matching IPs? Any normal investigation for when something looks fishy or is this just another example of lazy hamfisted administration?

[Cipher3]

They didn't steal from armory, I literally never said they did that. They broke into the sec gear room and were trying to deconstruct the windoor into the armory.

All else aside, that's a straw if ever I saw one.

[paprika]

I permabrigged them for trying, as I was the warden. It's stupid, sure, which is why I told an admin about it, but what does that have to do with them being associated with this metagang in the first place? I'm just trying to clear the record, not say that them attempting to break into the armory wasn't retarded. Doesn't implicate them as some super potential metagamer because it's something new players do rather often.

Besides, why would someone metagaming with a group ask for their skype, wouldn't they already have it? Pure idiocy all around.

[iyaerP]

Brotemis was hilarious in OOC today, and I was amused. Props to him for that.

[allura]

brotemis is a cool guy, not a cool admin

[Stickymayhem]

Brotemis is a force that is absolutely needed on the server in my opinion. He will happily make the harder decisions and stand by them, and in the long run seems to have a very good judgement of people's motives on the spot.

[paprika]

brotemis is a cool guy, not a cool admin

Basically this, but I can't think of an admin that isn't fun outside of being an admin or before they were admins, but that's not something that's going to change since it's a shitty job and they do it for free

[Brotemis]

Hey man, that's just like, your opinion. Those that whine (re: not feedback, whine) about me tend be the most outspoken players or are otherwise what I would consider troublesome players. If it's not one thing, it's another, and every time the accusation that I am based against them or out to get them, or some of form of me being a shitmin, rather than players taking responsibility for their actions. I do admit mistakes and I try to make things fun for players. Anyone for the spooky rounds as of late can attest to that. It's an abstract sort of hell being an admin but I do enjoy it knowing I make a difference, big or small, in keeping a large majority of the population away from griff. The amount of permabans I have would probably horrify you and those I have dealt with would make you wonder why I do it.

[paprika]

I probably have more permabans than you brotemis.

[tunderchief]

Brotemis 'event':

>mute OOC
>turn all the tiles Cult
>send multiple gibberish Centcomm announcements
>keep breaking the lights
>set off the nuke when he gets bored with being absolute shit at events, no one can complain because OOC is disabled

[Brotemis]

Glad you enjoyed it, sperglord

[iteq]

Glad you enjoyed it, sperglord

great response


i've also been muted from all channels for calling brotemis out for his shit events

[paprika]

I've been muted from all channels and then permabanned for calling him out you got off easy iteq

[Spacemanspark]

Everything except muting OOC and blowing up the nuke is acceptable, unfortunately.

[ShizCalev]

Brotemis is the hero /tg/station deserves.

[tunderchief]

He ended the shitty event with 'THANKYOUFORDIEING'

Can't even spell 'dying' right but he sure has no problem badminning and arming the damned nuke.

[ShizCalev]

People were toeing icky oocky. That's why OOC was muted :[

[Spacemanspark]

He ended the shitty event with 'THANKYOUFORDIEING'

Can't even spell 'dying' right but he sure has no problem badminning and arming the damned nuke.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a spergy little faggot?

He's right in this situation, though, for once.
Also, my bad if OOC was muted because of players, then.
The only real issue is the nuke, then.

[Helios127]

He ended the shitty event with 'THANKYOUFORDIEING'

Can't even spell 'dying' right but he sure has no problem badminning and arming the damned nuke.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a spergy little faggot?

>point out that Brotemis has a history of abusing OOC mute and self-appeasing events

>ur a sperg

Actually, of all the bad things brotemis does, thats not one of them. He NEVER runs events. I would like it if more admins were proactive, but thats not going to happen.

[tunderchief]

He ended the shitty event with 'THANKYOUFORDIEING'

Can't even spell 'dying' right but he sure has no problem badminning and arming the damned nuke.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a spergy little faggot?

>point out that Brotemis has a history of abusing OOC mute and self-appeasing events

>ur a sperg

Actually, of all the bad things brotemis does, thats not one of them. He NEVER runs events. I would like it if more admins were proactive, but thats not going to happen.

[Cipher3]

Oh, are we mass quoting now? I wanna join!

He ended the shitty event with 'THANKYOUFORDIEING'

Can't even spell 'dying' right but he sure has no problem badminning and arming the damned nuke.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a spergy little faggot?

>point out that Brotemis has a history of abusing OOC mute and self-appeasing events

>ur a sperg

Actually, of all the bad things brotemis does, thats not one of them. He NEVER runs events. I would like it if more admins were proactive, but thats not going to happen.

[Uitary]

I have yet to see an admin resign and actually mean it.

Korphaeron

He left, then came back, so he didn't totally mean it.

[iyaerP]

I thought Kor stopped playing like over a year ago.

[Uitary]

I thought Kor stopped playing like over a year ago.

He still left, then came back.

[TheTerbs]

I thought Kor stopped playing like over a year ago.

He still left, then came back.

Except that's wrong

[Helios127]

So when is Brotemis coming back from retirement? We all know admin punishment is never anything more then a slap on the wrist, and admins never really quit

[Jacough]

So when is Brotemis coming back from retirement? We all know admin punishment is never anything more then a slap on the wrist, and admins never really quit

Hopefully after HBL's kicked off the Headmin team after the next headmin elections.

[Cipher3]

So when is Brotemis coming back from retirement? We all know admin punishment is never anything more then a slap on the wrist, and admins never really quit

Hopefully after HBL's kicked off the Headmin team after the next headmin elections.

>Headmin elections

Lol