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Those who know history are doomed to watch others repeat it.FantasticFwoosh wrote:Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
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Those who know history are doomed to watch others repeat it.FantasticFwoosh wrote:Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
How about we fix that analogy?bandit wrote:ok, since it seems to be the only language you fuckers understand, how about a spessmen analogy
An assistant goes around screaming about how all engineers should be killed, gray tide station wide, the works. An engineer takes offense to this and hits the assistant once or twice with a wrench. The assistant beats him to death with a toolbox and spaces him. Engineer ahelps. Admin says "sorry, but you punched him once or twice, which really is just as bad." Also, the assistant sides with the KKK and neo-Nazis.
(I don't think it's a coincidence that the people who are in this topic defending Nazis and the people who are shitters in-game have a pretty good correlation)
XSI wrote: 'alt-right'
ShadowDimentio wrote:(that actually weren't all nazis or alt right)
DrPillzRedux wrote:A majority of people went there in support of conservatism and to show support of Trump. Only a few truly white supremacy groups went (a few of which were Antifa pretending to be right-wing nazi's). Of course, the media will paint every person that went as a white supremacist.
>inb4 it was always organized to be about the superior white race
False. The main person behind the event is a mod from digg's Trump sub called Terry. Terry is black. Why would a black guy host a white power event?
It apparently mattered to the half a dozen posters who spent two pages having a side argument about whether they were alt-right or not.Jembo wrote:Does it really matter what the group there was supporting?
I never said or even implied otherwise.Jembo wrote:They're Americans they have the right to peacefully gather and have rallies and protests
Very well put.Jembo wrote:Does it really matter what the group there was supporting? They're Americans they have the right to peacefully gather and have rallies and protests, regardless of how much I might disagree with their message. I'd rather have these people out their voicing their crazy to the world, so I can make the conscious decision to stay the hell away from them. They followed the law got permits to host their event and the mayor had time between doing everything in his power to shut down their event to prepare for it to make sure it didn't turn out this way. Antifa and the counter protests did not have a permit to have a public gathering, the police could of at any time forced their crowd to disperse, or did everything in their power to keep the groups separated. If anyone wants to point the finger at a dead girl, and violent acts taking place the blame should rest upon the shoulders of the mayor who allowed events to take place in his city. Which would almost seem like he did what he was able to allow the groups to violently engage one another just so he could make a political message against the president.
Jembo wrote: Does it really matter what the group there was supporting? They're Americans they have the right to peacefully gather and have rallies and protests, regardless of how much I might disagree with their message. I'd rather have these people out their voicing their crazy to the world, so I can make the conscious decision to stay the hell away from them. They followed the law got permits to host their event and the mayor had time between doing everything in his power to shut down their event to prepare for it to make sure it didn't turn out this way. Antifa and the counter protests did not have a permit to have a public gathering, the police could of at any time forced their crowd to disperse, or did everything in their power to keep the groups separated. If anyone wants to point the finger at a dead girl, and violent acts taking place the blame should rest upon the shoulders of the mayor who allowed events to take place in his city. Which would almost seem like he did what he was able to allow the groups to violently engage one another just so he could make a political message against the president.
This is you, Starmute.InsaneHyena wrote:bandit wrote:LALALALALA, CAN'T HEAR YOU
the police could of at any time forced their crowd to disperse, or did everything in their power to keep the groups separated. If anyone wants to point the finger at a dead girl, and violent acts taking place the blame should rest upon the shoulders of the mayor who allowed events to take place in his city. Which would almost seem like he did what he was able to allow the groups to violently engage one another just so he could make a political message against the president.
But you know there would be trouble. They have the right but they are abhorrent. I'm not saying they don't have the right to do so but you have to call a duck a duck at some point. When racists come to your community with pipes, guns and whatnot you know there is going to be trouble.XSI wrote:Even then, even if Hitler himself arrived by long range arctic submarine and the entire command staff of the fourth reich's hollow earth base wandered out to join the protest
I'd still support their right to say what they want without getting attacked or suppressed
Not saying I would support their cause either, but they should be able to voice that opinion anyway
If Stalin would rise from his grave to come and counterprotest, yeah. I'd support him doing that too.
1/10 adhomenin attack. Not even worth my effort to call you something back. Get Crag as your PR man and then we'll talk.lntigracy wrote:This is you, Starmute.InsaneHyena wrote:bandit wrote:LALALALALA, CAN'T HEAR YOU
Yes. Although counter-demonstrators should not be allowed to physically disrupt the event they are protesting, they do have the right to be present and to voice their displeasure. Police are permitted to keep two antagonistic groups separated but should allow them to be within the general vicinity of one another.
The problem is that people have a right to "rally". And if you have a right to "rally" other's have a right to protest said rally.ShadowDimentio wrote:What good comes from two groups that despise each other to be near each other
That's like saying keeping potassium and water near each other is a good idea, you're literally begging for something to happen between the two.
You absolutely have a right to rally, but free speech doesn't mean you have the right to go scream in your opposition's faces and start a riot when inevitably civility breaks down.starmute wrote:The problem is that people have a right to "rally". And if you have a right to "rally" other's have a right to protest said rally.
Free speech is a bitch ain't it.
Also I would probably put it more as someone putting a ticking time bomb next to water. Nazis will cause shit regardless of protests or no. Look at what they did in my state (Idaho).
The problem is that both of them have a right to the space. Yeah its "common sense" but really you can't legislate common sense most of the time. The constitution is a loose bit of rules and allows leeway.ShadowDimentio wrote:You absolutely have a right to rally, but free speech doesn't mean you have the right to go scream in your opposition's faces and start a riot when inevitably civility breaks down.starmute wrote:The problem is that people have a right to "rally". And if you have a right to "rally" other's have a right to protest said rally.
Free speech is a bitch ain't it.
Also I would probably put it more as someone putting a ticking time bomb next to water. Nazis will cause shit regardless of protests or no. Look at what they did in my state (Idaho).
This is just basic common sense to not put two groups that fucking hate each other anywhere near one-another
Southerners are shitheads. Nobody should venerate traitors.Takeguru wrote:All of this over a statue that no one sane should have tried to take down
People be stupid
yeah fuck history and shitstarmute wrote:Southerners are shitheads. Nobody should venerate traitors.Takeguru wrote:All of this over a statue that no one sane should have tried to take down
People be stupid
>Southerners are shitheads. Nobody should venerate traitors.Armhulen wrote:yeah fuck history and shitstarmute wrote:Southerners are shitheads. Nobody should venerate traitors.Takeguru wrote:All of this over a statue that no one sane should have tried to take down
People be stupid
And yet we don't have a golden statue of King George.lntigracy wrote:>Southerners are shitheads. Nobody should venerate traitors.Armhulen wrote:yeah fuck history and shitstarmute wrote:Southerners are shitheads. Nobody should venerate traitors.Takeguru wrote:All of this over a statue that no one sane should have tried to take down
People be stupid
Golly gee I guess the founding fathers are unworthy of remembrance and we should destroy all the monuments of them, they betrayed His Majesty the King so we shouldn't venerate them.
>inb4 IT'S DIFFERENT
The only difference is that the Confederacy lost so didn't get to write the history books.
lntigracy wrote:Nice false equivalency there with the UCMJ, really nice.
The founding fathers were traitors as well, the only difference is they didn't lose.
Nobody should venerate traitors.
Therefore the statues and monuments of/for George Washington should be destroyed.
(a) "Any person subject to this chapter who--
(1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuse, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;
(2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;
(3) fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.
(b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct."
Funfact Lincoln started the war with the South, and since his claim was that the Confederacy was not allowed to secede and was still part of the United States, he was guilty of treason.Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Funfact if the confederates were traitors then so were the founding fathers.That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
So you're saying you need to hang the whole southern army since they mutinied? Good idea.lntigracy wrote:We shouldn't completely forget talented commanders and soldiers just because they were on the losing side.
An entire armed conflict with half of the military fighting the other half is not in any way comparable to a PFC shooting his SGT because he doesn't like the orders he's been given. Stop trying to compare the two.
"(b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished ̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶t̶h̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶s̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶p̶u̶n̶i̶s̶h̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶r̶t̶-̶m̶a̶r̶t̶i̶a̶l̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶ ̶d̶i̶r̶e̶c̶t̶.̶" by building fucking statue in their likeness for military wantabees, nazis and white supremacists to rub their dick into."
By a illegimate government.lntigracy wrote: Funfact the civil war didn't start until President Lincoln refused to remove soldiers from a garrison in South Carolina, Fort Sumner. In fact, he sent more troops and supplies instead, which under international law at the time was considered an act of war.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
It was still part of the United States. The declaration was not legally recognized. In fact it was not LEGAL.Funfact Lincoln started the war with the South, and since his claim was that the Confederacy was not allowed to secede and was still part of the United States, he was guilty of treason.
By your own demands, we should begin removing statues of Abraham Lincoln for he is a traitor.
You keep repeating the same argument. It keeps falling flat. Good job.Funfact the Declaration of Independence used this as its excuse for why the colonies declared independence from King Georgey:Funfact if the confederates were traitors then so were the founding fathers.That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
By your own demands, we should begin removing statues of George Washington and etc. for they are traitors.
Hey, thats not fair. 9 out of 10 participants enjoy gangrapestarmute wrote: "Rape is a fun game"
At some point statues to Stalin came down. (que Intigracy crying about how Stalin was such a great dictator and how he contributed so much to society). They meant a lot back (to communists)then too. I understand that its a cultural thing but the same can be said about "gangsta rap" that talks about rape. Both are repugnant cultures. And while I can mostly avoid listening about someone do this shit my tax dollars are going to support monuments of assholes who deserved a noose.XSI wrote:Hey, thats not fair. 9 out of 10 participants enjoy gangrapestarmute wrote: "Rape is a fun game"
But of course, lets just tear down statues of everything considered bad. Then once the nazis take over we can start tearing down all the holocaust memorials too, so nobody will know what's going on when they start collecting the jews in camps again
Nothing I can say will go through anyway so I'm just going to keep it at that. Consider thinking about why these statues still exist after this long, and why they mattered to the people enough to march in defense of them.
If you at any point get to the answer "Racism" or "They're just evil", then you're wrong and you should start again from the beginning
thot_slayer wrote:don't be a degenerate online if you don't want people to treat you like a degenerate morty
bandit wrote:what is this
a correct post by pillz
fixed it for uGrazyn wrote:What really grinds my gears is that there is no evidence of Trump holding racist or white supremacist views, yet /pol/acks, antifa, commies and neo-nazis think he's just pretending for the sake of the media. I mean, he has close jewish family members, he placed Jews at all levels of the administration, he supports Israel, he LITERALLY SAID "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are REPUGNANT to everything we hold dear as Americans." after Charlottesville, but somehow it's all a facade to hide his real views and "Well he did the best he could allow himself to, it's good enough for me", like he's actually planning internment camps for brown or cis-white people away from the cameras and the day of the rope is just around the corner. How fucking delusional can you be to believe this shit... Maybe it's because Americans are unable to see things without polarizing everything as black or white, but from the outside it's pretty clear once you filter out all the propaganda.
Try to get it through your thick skull, Trump is focusing on the middle, working class American, he doesn't give a fuck about your "white genocide" or "non-white or LGBTI genocide" bullshit, he's gonna make your country (and hopefully all the western world) a better place for EVERYONE (or at least try to), brown or white, and maybe we can all finally hope for a century of peace and prosperity, free from all the pointless partisan bickering. Why, WHY do you have to poison everything with your stupid hateful ideologies which you won't benefit from anyway? I swear, you americans can't even realize when you have something good, it's like it's all shit in your hands.
This is tricky because it isn't so easy to erase everything built during 20 years of dictatorship, expecially when half of Italy didn't have the added bonus of being bombed to smithereens by the Allies after the 1943 armistice, unlike Germany. We have entire towns built by Mussolini, some of them were even named after him (and got their name changed after the war - at least some did). Fascists monuments are everywhere, you can still see fascist wartime mottos and catchphrases engraved on random walls in villages and so on.CosmicScientist wrote:
For Italy you might want to consider Mussolini? I don't know. I honestly know little of history.
Yes they actually did, here's the picture http://mattinopadova.gelocal.it/polopol ... /image.JPGCosmicScientist wrote:That does sound like a funny man to be laughed at. Those do sound like some very disturbing signs to put up and on a beach of all places (I sincerely hope they weren't as specific to actually say a cosh to the teeth for not paying for the toilet, that's a tad involved and as you said, a fascist fantasy).
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