Raphael2033 Peanut (Katana man take greytiders by the hand)

[Not-Dorsidarf]

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28644

you baked potatoes stop peanut posting in the thread

[Not-Dorsidarf]

For my part, I'm interested in the fact that FATAL and the player in question have completely incompatible accounts of what happened and neither of them seem to be trying to address that fact

[Cobby]

Do I need to edit my post to literally quote the rule or is “there is a rule that states X” not sufficient?

The peanut take is that you can’t larp as security when it’s convenient then suddenly fallback to “I’m just a clown” when you start getting smacked with the aversion to lethality restriction we put on sec

[Agux909]

Hmmm. A nebulous, questionable ruling. I wonder who it belongs to.

Ah it's Fatal, yeah no wonder.

[XivilaiAnaxes]

"I already made my decision fuck you"

Lmfao wow what a dipshit

[Super Aggro Crag]

wow fatal better be careful swinging that big Literally Who The Fuck admin dick around shit talking the person appealing and telling him to go make a peanut thread, acting like that is a good way to make people resent you and since you seem to be a paper-thin skinned vagina guised as a man that's a ticket to Shitmin Meltdown Syndrome as everyone calls you a stupid fuck.

[Fatal]

wow fatal better be careful swinging that big Literally Who The Fuck admin dick around shit talking the person appealing and telling him to go make a peanut thread, acting like that is a good way to make people resent you and since you seem to be a paper-thin skinned vagina guised as a man that's a ticket to Shitmin Meltdown Syndrome as everyone calls you a stupid fuck.

My phrase "Anyway I made my decision, unless the headmins want to overrule, if you feel a pressing need to discuss why you believe it's in error, go make a peanut thread like a good boy"

Was aimed at the people peanut posting in the thread, although I can understand the confusion towards it, and perhaps could have been phrased better for sure

Maybe if the appealing player spends more than 2 minutes making an appeal and replies to my reply, or even go through the logs to find evidence to back up his case, we might have got somewhere with this, but instead let's throw insults on spacemen drama for something we're not involved in because we have nothing better to do

[XivilaiAnaxes]

Nobody peanut posted though, unless you count Malkraz full on log diving as peanut posting (its not)?

Nobody was even slightly disrespectful except for you calling his appeal low effort, and then telling people to basically fuck off.

You even repeated "wordlessly" when it was clearly pointed out it wasn't "wordless".

[Agux909]

Noone pointed a gun at you to make you become admin, you volunteered for it. You need to show some semblance of a standard you like it or not. Starting your post like "Your appeal was low effort so I'm not gonna log dive and I'm not gonna pour effort into it either" is incredibly childish and a horrible standard to set as admin. Maybe I'm crazy and this isn't the case?

It really looks like you're burned out or something. You're not new at adminning Fatal, and it shows you could really take a break and seek good admin examples to learn about how to interact with players correctly, you caveman.

[cameronwoof]

Guy breaks into the bridge with a sword for an arm, gets his sword arm taken away. Why is it relevant that the person who did the surgery (which a security officer authorized, no less) is a clown? Why is it that it's okay for the sword-arm assistant (who does not appear to be an antagonist) to break into the Bridge, but not okay for the clown (who is also not an antagonist) to punish them for it?

[oranges]

Noone pointed a gun at you to make you become admin, you volunteered for it. You need to show some semblance of a standard you like it or not.

today in things the players will make up when they feel it's required.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Do I need to edit my post to literally quote the rule or is “there is a rule that states X” not sufficient?

The peanut take is that you can’t larp as security when it’s convenient then suddenly fallback to “I’m just a clown” when you start getting smacked with the aversion to lethality restriction we put on sec

I disagree with this take that sec telling you you can punish a greytider by taking his sword arm instantly makes you sec for the whole round. Its not like the clown captured the greyshit and brought him to a seccie to pretty please may i cut his arm off, the clown wanders up in the middle of the HOP and sec officer dunking on him for trying to break into the bridge
(The reason incidentally sec officers are told to be non lethal is because with the huge and varied array of non lethal options we kit them out with, theres no excuse for critting/killing someone purely in self defense)

[Agux909]

Noone pointed a gun at you to make you become admin, you volunteered for it. You need to show some semblance of a standard you like it or not.

today in things the players will make up when they feel it's required.

K then, I guess as I said I'm just crazy and admins should follow no special etiquette at all when interacting with the community. Admin trainers are just a cover up to make us think admins are actually trained and follow some sort of guideline to more or less separate them from literallywhos. Instead they are hand picked loose cannons with no accountability nor behavioral responsability. Random players with some power and privileges, no more no less.

You have opened my eyes fruit, thank you.

[RaveRadbury]

K then, I guess as I said I'm just crazy and admins should follow no special etiquette at all when interacting with the community. Admin trainers are just a cover up to make us think admins are actually trained and follow some sort of guideline to more or less separate them from literallywhos. Instead they are hand picked loose cannons with no accountability nor behavioral responsability. Random players with some power and privileges, no more no less.

Hi Agux do you like my community etiquette also do you like the admins I've trained

[Agux909]

K then, I guess as I said I'm just crazy and admins should follow no special etiquette at all when interacting with the community. Admin trainers are just a cover up to make us think admins are actually trained and follow some sort of guideline to more or less separate them from literallywhos. Instead they are hand picked loose cannons with no accountability nor behavioral responsability. Random players with some power and privileges, no more no less.

Hi Agux do you like my community etiquette also do you like the admins I've trained

If I still believed it was the truth I would probably say yes to both, hypothetically speaking.

But I can't resist the oh almighty wisdom of oranges' words. It was all a lie and I have no response for you at this time. What a shame.

[RaveRadbury]

If I still believed it was the truth I would probably say yes to both, hypothetically speaking.

But I can't resist the oh almighty wisdom of oranges' words. It was all a lie and I have no response for you at this time. What a shame.

oh no

[oranges]

Noone pointed a gun at you to make you become admin, you volunteered for it. You need to show some semblance of a standard you like it or not.

today in things the players will make up when they feel it's required.

K then, I guess as I said I'm just crazy and admins should follow no special etiquette at all when interacting with the community. Admin trainers are just a cover up to make us think admins are actually trained and follow some sort of guideline to more or less separate them from literallywhos. Instead they are hand picked loose cannons with no accountability nor behavioral responsability. Random players with some power and privileges, no more no less.

You have opened my eyes fruit, thank you.

there's a difference between not needlessly destroying the station every round with admin tools and not being polite to the feral pack of mongrels who usually peanut on ban appeals (myself included), I'd ask you to stop drawing a line between them because we're going to RUN OUT OF FUCKING INK before you finish

[Agux909]

No oranges, you can't go back on your words now, you picked a part of my post and basically called me delusional. You've been way more time than me in the community so I guess you know better right?

I was mostly speaking from common sense, since im a literallywho, and I don't even spend that much time around. But if you're telling me getting at the same or lower level from a player that took time to make an appeal (a bit shoddy but not unintelligible nor being disrespectful to anyone) and stating that their appeal is gonna be reviewed with low effort from the get go as admin instead of sitting, taking a breath and being able to form a solid reasoning for the ban ruling using the tools at their disposal, because they obviously are adamantly set on their ruling being correct, then I'm gonna have to take it to heart.

My common sense after all might just be flawed.

[Malkraz]

Another episode of Fatal proactively inserts himself into a situation midway through and gets the facts wrong
Not doing due diligence and glancing at the logs because you think a short appeal from an obviously ESL player is "low effort" (despite containing all the same facts that I presented WITH logs for you, sans the nitty gritty) is just pure banbot

[XivilaiAnaxes]

Oranges man, I'd take your point about "mongrels" if someone in the appeal was actually acting in a way that they'd deserve it.

Guy made an appeal, couple of people commented log diving and various quality levels of precedence and Fatal just tells him "well this is low effort I dont give a shit" in the first fucking sentence. And ends it with "I made a decision fuck off".

if you're going to step into a volunteer job you could attempt to do the bare miniumum

[oranges]

Oranges man, I'd take your point about "mongrels" if someone in the appeal was actually acting in a way that they'd deserve it.

Guy made an appeal, couple of people commented log diving and various quality levels of precedence and Fatal just tells him "well this is low effort I dont give a shit" in the first fucking sentence. And ends it with "I made a decision fuck off".

if you're going to step into a volunteer job you could attempt to do the bare miniumum

there you go again drawing the line between doing the work required of an admin and being polite to a bunch of peanutposting ferals

[oranges]

No oranges, you can't go back on your words now, you picked a part of my post and basically called me delusional. You've been way more time than me in the community so I guess you know better right?

I was mostly speaking from common sense, since im a literallywho, and I don't even spend that much time around. But if you're telling me getting at the same or lower level from a player that took time to make an appeal (a bit shoddy but not unintelligible nor being disrespectful to anyone) and stating that their appeal is gonna be reviewed with low effort from the get go as admin instead of sitting, taking a breath and being able to form a solid reasoning for the ban ruling using the tools at their disposal, because they obviously are adamantly set on their ruling being correct, then I'm gonna have to take it to heart.

My common sense after all might just be flawed.

I'm glad you had the intelligence to review your position and understand how stupid it was, most don't

[keepforgettingpw]

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28644

>The offending player here was a clown, not security, nor command
This doesn't really seem to be a relevant point, this wasn't on Manuel so this strict role adherense isn't a factor
>and wordlessly took the assistant away from security and command who had him restrained and under control
I thought the whole point was that he said the take the katana away and the person who was arresting him condoned it
And we have (very shitty, but it's there) precedent that an uninvolved third party CAN take action against you (for even LESSER crimes) if the security arresting you gives the OK.
I still personally think this ruling was blatantly against policy but as it stands it IS allowed https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 54&t=18326

>There was no need to intervene
see above
>if security or command had taken the guy and taken his arm off, that would be a different story here
see above
>but the issue here is that the clown dragged him away, cut his arm off, and THEN attempted to murder him when he fought back against it
see above


>do you honestly believe a player is justified in being murdered for breaking a single bridge door by someone not even involved?
this isn't an accurate description, he was killed after attempting to fight the clown who was dishing out his punishment

[XivilaiAnaxes]

They weren't peanutposting lmao

He wasn't even polite to the guy who made the appeal.

Guy made a small appeal gets told "I dont give a shit you didn't put effort in"

Like cmon man

[XivilaiAnaxes]

Theres a peanut already

[Malkraz]

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28651

[keepforgettingpw]

sad, beat me while i was typing this out

[keepforgettingpw]

>The offending player here was a clown, not security, nor command
This doesn't really seem to be a relevant point, this wasn't on Manuel so this strict role adherense isn't a factor
>and wordlessly took the assistant away from security and command who had him restrained and under control
I thought the whole point was that he said the take the katana away and the person who was arresting him condoned it
And we have (very shitty, but it's there) precedent that an uninvolved third party CAN take action against you (for even LESSER crimes) if the security arresting you gives the OK.
I still personally think this ruling was blatantly against policy but as it stands it IS allowed https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 54&t=18326

>There was no need to intervene
see above
>if security or command had taken the guy and taken his arm off, that would be a different story here
see above
>but the issue here is that the clown dragged him away, cut his arm off, and THEN attempted to murder him when he fought back against it
see above


>do you honestly believe a player is justified in being murdered for breaking a single bridge door by someone not even involved?
this isn't an accurate description, he was killed after attempting to fight the clown who was dishing out his punishment

[Malkraz]

that thread was made 12 hours ago lol

awful thread merge

[wesoda25]

This thread went off in a dumb direction.

I’m a little conflicted - malkraz’s argument definitely has merit, and in a vacuum would be the (in my eyes) “correct” way of judging the situation. However the combined factors of raph doing a terrible job of defending himself, his history, and my personal distaste (which I assume fatal shares) for garbage clowns which step out of their lane make me understand why he applied and defends the ban.

The personal distaste part plays an admittedly big role in my defense of the ban though, I can’t stand clowns who pull this shit. Though I admittedly can’t tell whether that’s healthy distaste (would benefit the server if allowed to influence administrating) or just harmful bias. I’ll probably have a different stance on it by tomorrow lol, so take this post with a grain of salt (if you haven’t already:)), just thinking out loud

[wesoda25]

he’s a poor typist

[Malkraz]

I'm more concerned with him refusing to even look at logs when he's demonstrably wrong about the facts. He can definitely still make an argument against the Clown but come the fuck on man it took me 10 minutes.

[keepforgettingpw]

Thread merge moment

[oranges]

it ruined the argument about admin conduct

[usnpeepoo]

why are most clown players shitters? thats the real thing to consider here.

[Agux909]

I'm glad you had the intelligence to review your position and understand how stupid it was, most don't

[Cobby]

I disagree with this take that sec telling you you can punish a greytider by taking his sword arm instantly makes you sec for the whole round. Its not like the clown captured the greyshit and brought him to a seccie to pretty please may i cut his arm off, the clown wanders up in the middle of the HOP and sec officer dunking on him for trying to break into the bridge
(The reason incidentally sec officers are told to be non lethal is because with the huge and varied array of non lethal options we kit them out with, theres no excuse for critting/killing someone purely in self defense)

From the logs the guy posted someone just said take his arm off after realizing it was cursed so he nabbed the body and they didn’t care. In general I’d agree with that sentiment that sec larpers aren’t sec for the whole round, but certainly right as they did the punishment and start getting retaliated against.

If you want to larp as sec then it should be on you to either get the gear necessitating nonlethality or at the very least make sure you don’t outright kill someone who you are civilian arresting, although I guess it would be hard to put cable cuffs on a guy who doesn’t have an arm. Go sec if you wanna assist security.

Now should he have been banned for this? Prob not, I just found the portion of the post that escalation absolved him of wrong a bit off.

[Super Aggro Crag]

maybe if people didnt remove cloning this wouldnt be an issue

[oranges]

maybe if people didnt remove cloning this wouldnt be an issue

lockable skirts

[ArcaneDefence]

God bless lockable schoolgirl outfits

[oranges]

hmm that's weird I read crag's comment as clothing, not cloning

[doom2hellonearth]

is the title of the thread a joy division refrence

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I disagree with this take that sec telling you you can punish a greytider by taking his sword arm instantly makes you sec for the whole round. Its not like the clown captured the greyshit and brought him to a seccie to pretty please may i cut his arm off, the clown wanders up in the middle of the HOP and sec officer dunking on him for trying to break into the bridge
(The reason incidentally sec officers are told to be non lethal is because with the huge and varied array of non lethal options we kit them out with, theres no excuse for critting/killing someone purely in self defense)

From the logs the guy posted someone just said take his arm off after realizing it was cursed so he nabbed the body and they didn’t care. In general I’d agree with that sentiment that sec larpers aren’t sec for the whole round, but certainly right as they did the punishment and start getting retaliated against.

If you want to larp as sec then it should be on you to either get the gear necessitating nonlethality or at the very least make sure you don’t outright kill someone who you are civilian arresting, although I guess it would be hard to put cable cuffs on a guy who doesn’t have an arm. Go sec if you wanna assist security.

Now should he have been banned for this? Prob not, I just found the portion of the post that escalation absolved him of wrong a bit off.

Seems kinda weird to not only condone but demand that anyone in anyway involved in punishing a baddie tool up with a bunch of stun equipment in case that guy tries to murder you because you arent allowed to murder him back.

s'not like this was medical torture or general "WE GOT AN ANTAG TIME TO GRIEF HIM TILL HE GHOSTS" nonsense after all, there's really no other way to handle someone with a nodrop 40-damage weapon other than putting an emagged beepsky set to DETAIN in his cell.

[Agux909]

If anything, what the clown did was commendable. Any witness to a shitter abusing the Katana curse like this should be justified to immediately grab a fireaxe and save everyone a headache right there. SLASH!

Damn if I had the curse I would run up to the first geared up greyshirt I saw and yell at them "CUT IT OUT CUT IT OUT NOW!!"

Having the clown perform surgery on you to remove it is hilarious and in no universe I can see any reason to retaliate unless you're an antag. You guys are just too biased against clowns.

[cacogen]

is the title of the thread a joy division refrence

I've tried listening to this whiny band from the 80's I keep seeing an album cover of a couple of times but it sounds like shit. I wish I had a way in. This thread made me listen to this song though and actually like it although Ween is for people whose minds have been impaired by weed.

"first he was breaking into bridge in my point of view he was a baddie trying to steal shit so i try to remove his weapon of mass chaos"

jannies really out here banning people for this shaking my damn head

[Cobby]

Seems kinda weird to not only condone but demand that anyone in anyway involved in punishing a baddie tool up with a bunch of stun equipment in case that guy tries to murder you because you arent allowed to murder him back.

s'not like this was medical torture or general "WE GOT AN ANTAG TIME TO GRIEF HIM TILL HE GHOSTS" nonsense after all, there's really no other way to handle someone with a nodrop 40-damage weapon other than putting an emagged beepsky set to DETAIN in his cell.

I'd accept critting in lieu of stuns too. Just not flat out killing when doing sec-related activities (regardless of what ur ID says) unless a security officer would kill for that too, where "sec-related activities" would include pulling him from sec because someone guy said in all caps in a crowd REMOVE THE ARM so you take that to mean you are now armcutioner.

The situation should be really simple, would an officer be ok to kill the person? If yes, ok done. If no, then sec larpers are wrong too and at worst should only crit (which he may have done, no one wants to answer and I dont wanna logdive over a peanut).

[Agux909]

The situation should be really simple, would an officer be ok to kill the person? If yes, ok done. If no, then sec larpers are wrong too and at worst should only crit (which he may have done, no one wants to answer and I dont wanna logdive over a peanut).

They critted and then Fatal gibbed the clown before they actually killed them. This was said in the appeal.

[wesoda25]

is the title of the thread a joy division refrence

I've tried listening to this whiny band from the 80's I keep seeing an album cover of a couple of times but it sounds like shit. I wish I had a way in. This thread made me listen to this song though and actually like it although Ween is for people whose minds have been impaired by weed.

They're not for everyone, and I definitely didn't like them the first couple times I listened.

Try listening to unknown pleasures a few times and focus on the emptiness/sparseness of the music. That and the grinding, dark guitar really drew me in. Ian Curtis' voice always threw me off at first but I've come to appreciate its place in the music as a whole, although I can't say I've ever really singled it out and found it great or anything.

New Dawn Fades, She's Lost Control, Shadowplay, Wilderness, and I Remember Nothing are my favorite tracks off the album, and are all on the second half of it, so if your problem is sitting through the album just skip the earlier songs.

[Tlaltecuhtli]

whats wrong with removing the katana from a tider

[Screemonster]

is the title of the thread a joy division refrence

Ween

what joy division song are you thinking of