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https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29477play opus: echo of starsongSuper Aggro Crag wrote:This is what u get when u let people into your community
goddamnit moocow I specifically warned you to keep this to a note appeal to keep this from getting out of hand.Malkraz wrote:chill out with this stuff stupid ur gonna undermine your argument (that I'm making for you)You might as well perma me right now because as time goes on and I discover more about the round it only reinforces my belief that what I did was right, at the very least it brought this administration to light.
Timberpoes wrote: Lepi was right all along.
coco is coolNaloac wrote:we've got a reply ready and have for awhile, just waiting for coco to wake up to say if he agrees/ disagrees with it
fuck offsinfulbliss wrote:What a horrible take. By that logic, sec should let people run around with stunbatons, shotgun, disablers, and whatever other shit they have because "you steal someone's shit, you're valid."Screemonster wrote: bull fucking shit.
You steal someone's shit, you're valid.
Being security doesn't change that.
See the below.Spoiler:
creepy permabanned morons using peanut threads to work out their weird grudges against specific admins is exactly the reason why peanut threads suckEskjjlj wrote:It's not the first time Shaps fails to investigate a situation correctly. I ahelped a shitter once and Shaps instantly denied my ahelp when said shitter claimed (lied) that I called him the nword repeatedly. Facts don't care about your feelings sweaty.
I bet all my antag tokens that either the "shitter" "griefed" you after you emoted something related to underwear and/or genitalia or your ahelp contained sexual advances towards Shaps.Eskjjlj wrote:It's not the first time Shaps fails to investigate a situation correctly. I ahelped a shitter once and Shaps instantly denied my ahelp when said shitter claimed (lied) that I called him the nword repeatedly. Facts don't care about your feelings sweaty.
As usual, Crag is all-powerfulSuper Aggro Crag wrote:Such power ...
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
sinfulbliss wrote:Y’all needa chill with the MSO overruling Shaps thing. It’s the kind of shit like this which makes admins not want to go back on their decisions in the first place, cause on the offchance they make a mistake everyone will be like “SEE WE WERE RIGHT THEY ARE SHITMIN BE ASHAMED.” It’s literally fine for an admin to make a mistake especially when it’s as nominal as a 1-day ban.
He was doing both, though. Taking AA from a clown, or an autorifle from a cargo tekkie, explosive lemons from a botanist, or literally anything that involves confiscating dangerous items is doing your job. That’s not even up for debate. The question is whether you should then use the items for yourself, or put it in evidence. Honestly it seems like a pretty dumb waste to put a desword in evidence and not use it for good and to stop traitors with.Screemonster wrote:fuck offsinfulbliss wrote:What a horrible take. By that logic, sec should let people run around with stunbatons, shotgun, disablers, and whatever other shit they have because "you steal someone's shit, you're valid."Screemonster wrote: bull fucking shit.
You steal someone's shit, you're valid.
Being security doesn't change that.
See the below.Spoiler:
being security doesn't give you a licence to steal shit off people and keep it for yourself
if he'd made any attempt to return the ID to the bridge then he could make an argument that he was "doing his job" and not "taking another player's shit"
shut up my post was funny i gave him red eyessinfulbliss wrote:Y’all needa chill with the MSO overruling Shaps thing. It’s the kind of shit like this which makes admins not want to go back on their decisions in the first place, cause on the offchance they make a mistake everyone will be like “SEE WE WERE RIGHT THEY ARE SHITMIN BE ASHAMED.” It’s literally fine for an admin to make a mistake especially when it’s as nominal as a 1-day ban.
That said I’m gonna defend Shaps here, honestly his perspective was completely reasonable. Blowing a secoff to smithereens for taking the spare ID from the clown is probably not really a good precedent to set as something crew can do validly. The only thing he really did *wrong* that could make him valid, IMO, was disobeying (lying) to the captain in order to keep it for himself. That should be what made him valid - not confiscating a high risk item.
By this logic if Sec do anything the captain doesn't like, he can just fire them all and ahelp if they mutiny. After all, He's their boss, and he's a metaconfirmed good guy so it cant be antag behaviour to do so. It's his job to fire misbehaving crew members, after all, especially a gang of extremely heavily armed ones.sinfulbliss wrote: He was doing both, though. Taking AA from a clown, or an autorifle from a cargo tekkie, explosive lemons from a botanist, or literally anything that involves confiscating dangerous items is doing your job. That’s not even up for debate. he question is whether you should then use the items for yourself, or put it in evidence. Honestly it seems like a pretty dumb waste to put a desword in evidence and not use it for good and to stop traitors with.
Keep in mind this is allowed because sec literally can’t use these weapons for malicious purposes, because they’re sec. Any antag behavior from sec is bwoinkable from the getgo.
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
You know, if the admin goes back on his decision in the first place nobody does what you imply. It's always "cool man thumbs up". People only think that when the admin just goes "nah fuck it I'm right you're wrong" and someone else has to clean it up for them.sinfulbliss wrote:Y’all needa chill with the MSO overruling Shaps thing. It’s the kind of shit like this which makes admins not want to go back on their decisions in the first place, cause on the offchance they make a mistake everyone will be like “SEE WE WERE RIGHT THEY ARE SHITMIN BE ASHAMED.” It’s literally fine for an admin to make a mistake especially when it’s as nominal as a 1-day ban.
Stickymayhem wrote:Imagine the sheer narcisssim required to genuinely believe you are this intelligent.
Ah yes because deadminning over bad bans surely will foster a good server cultureEskjjlj wrote:Based MSO but Shaps will only get a slap on the wrist as is tradition!
Good example. I would say the cap can't just fire people he doesn't like, he has to have really good IC justification. Think about it - you're firing your entire security force. I can hardly see a good IC justification for that. Sec could mutiny at that point, because there is a place for justified mutinies. If sec mutinies the captain for the wrong reasons, though, Centcom could get involved and send an ERT or something and make a nice juicy round out of it (all without taking it to ahelps).Not-Dorsidarf wrote:By this logic if Sec do anything the captain doesn't like, he can just fire them all and ahelp if they mutiny. After all, He's their boss, and he's a metaconfirmed good guy so it cant be antag behaviour to do so. It's his job to fire misbehaving crew members, after all, especially a gang of extremely heavily armed ones.
YesFloranOtten wrote:Ah yes because deadminning over bad bans surely will foster a good server cultureEskjjlj wrote:Based MSO but Shaps will only get a slap on the wrist as is tradition!
[youtube]cik9j1IG_zs[/youtube]MooCow12 wrote:sinfulbliss wrote: I'm curious what other resolutions Shaps had in mind to be honest, apart from an ahelp.
Hes literally mother fucking doctor strange looking at all of the possible dimensions and timelines, looking at all of my other better versions and calling me a sack of shit.
I love cocoSuper Aggro Crag wrote:coco is coolNaloac wrote:we've got a reply ready and have for awhile, just waiting for coco to wake up to say if he agrees/ disagrees with it
Timberpoes wrote: Lepi was right all along.
I also love cocoNaloac wrote:I love cocoSuper Aggro Crag wrote:coco is coolNaloac wrote:we've got a reply ready and have for awhile, just waiting for coco to wake up to say if he agrees/ disagrees with it
(Thank god the admins will never find out what I was doing in the nanite room when I got bwoinked and banned)Jimmius - yes - I believe the new ID system means that the Captain's Spare is no longer valid to confiscate regardless of how it was obtained, as AA can no longer be used to spread AA- the Captain giving it out for a gimmick is fine. If the Clown is using it to try and tide the armoury, you can blow him away then, but there's no longer a need to pre-emptively confiscate the spare ->in case it's used to spread AA.<-"
play opus: echo of starsongSuper Aggro Crag wrote:This is what u get when u let people into your community
Sometimes I'm amazed at how bad your contrarian takes can get. You're comparing the theft of authorized all access to unauthorized lethal weapons. For what it's worth, if the Captain/Head of Security arms up an assistant to hunt down a threat and makes security aware of it, presuming that assistant doesn't go on to commit a crime with those weapons he absolutely would be allowed to retaliate should security decide to steal his property.sinfulbliss wrote:What a horrible take. By that logic, sec should let people run around with stunbatons, shotgun, disablers, and whatever other shit they have because "you steal someone's shit, you're valid."
you literally made the peanut thread for it lol, https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29310Malkraz wrote:what's the alex one
do you really have to play devil's advocate for everything? everyone already thinks you're a pedophile apologist who would rescue hitler from a burning synagoguesinfulbliss wrote:So now the seccie who ahelped is getting banned for the ahelp?
That's kind of excessive. I mean the clown chose to resolve it ICly by blowing him up, so doesn't that mean it was IC?
Also, I strongly disagree with Naloac's and Jimmius's suggestion that mass AA is now not a problem because "AA can no longer be used to spread AA." Can't he simply create like 8 HoS silver IDs and hand those out? Even if it's not "full" AA, a HoS silver ID can cause a ton of damage. If even a few of those got out, it'd be a serious security risk. People could just tide brig and help themselves to batons and whatever else, delete their sec records, set sec to arrest, etc. At the very least the spare itself is a security threat, it's just silly to deny that. Should he have listened to the cap instead and let the clown be? Yes. Would it have been a security risk to do that? Also yes.
I also don't think the sec officer intentionally abused the ahelp feature. He mentioned he saw the clown with AA, took it from him, then got killed. He ahelped the kill and questioned its validity. Simple enough to be honest. Yeah he knew the cap gave it to him, that's pretty much taken for granted when a clown has the spare. Seems like a stretch to say the ahelp was intentionally abusive.
I mean, if that's what they think then what's there to loseSuper Aggro Crag wrote: do you really have to play devil's advocate for everything? everyone already thinks you're a pedophile apologist who would rescue hitler from a burning synagogue
your virginity and at this rate i wouldn't bet on itsinfulbliss wrote:I mean, if that's what they think then what's there to loseSuper Aggro Crag wrote: do you really have to play devil's advocate for everything? everyone already thinks you're a pedophile apologist who would rescue hitler from a burning synagogue
sinfulbliss wrote:Yeah he knew the cap gave it to him
You mean I'll get laid more if I keep arguing on the forums? Holy shit you're a genius, thanks Crag!Super Aggro Crag wrote:your virginitysinfulbliss wrote:I mean, if that's what they think then what's there to loseSuper Aggro Crag wrote: do you really have to play devil's advocate for everything? everyone already thinks you're a pedophile apologist who would rescue hitler from a burning synagogue
if it's IC then he shouldn't fucking ahelp and lie to the admins telling them it wasn't provokedsinfulbliss wrote:So now the seccie who ahelped is getting banned for the ahelp?
That's kind of excessive. I mean the clown chose to resolve it ICly by blowing him up, so doesn't that mean it was IC?
I laughed at the mental imageSuper Aggro Crag wrote: do you really have to play devil's advocate for everything? everyone already thinks you're a pedophile apologist who would rescue hitler from a burning synagogue
Stickymayhem wrote:Imagine the sheer narcisssim required to genuinely believe you are this intelligent.
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