Germanwings flight 4U9525 Crash

[Sum Ting Wong]

On March 24 at 10:00 AM, flight 4U 9525 crashed with no survivors near les Bains region in the french alps. There were no survivors. Marseille prosecutor Bruce Robin said the co-pilot, 28-year-old German national Andreas Lubitz, apparently “wanted to destroy the aircraft.” Dailymail had this to report.

Another woman identified only as Ulrika told Bavarian radio: 'Everybody is stunned in this town to learn the news, he grew up here, went to school here, and came back most weekends from Dusseldorf when he wasn't flying.

'This is a great loss to us, and we are perplexed to think that he might have caused the deaths of so many people.'

Police were called out to his home in the Rhineland town as numerous groups of journalists descended on the town seeking information about him.

Peter Ruecker of the gliding club said: 'He was happy he had the job with Germanwings and he was doing well. He gave off a good feeling.'

On some pilot forums, friends of the dead man said: 'He had a lot of loyalty for a hired pilot and was a big guy for his family and friends.

'I don't know what God has in store for Andreas but I hope it fits his Master Plan which Andreas was always getting caught in. It's a shame that this one time he didn't fly so good. RIP, Andreas, hopefully you'll get to bring friends wherever you are.'

Prosecutor Bruce Robin said the cockpit voice recorder captured the final moments of the doomed jet.

He said: 'His breath was not of somebody who was struggling. He never said a single word. It was total silence in the cockpit for the ten past minutes. Nothing.

The fire rises, brother.

[srifenbyxp]

Alot of airplanes has been crashing the past couple of months, good thing im too broke to fly

[Ricotez]

I heard about the crash on the news barely an hour after it happened. I was pretty shocked, but not as shocked as when they followed it up with this 2 days later. What the hell happened to that guy that made him deliberately crash a plane and kill almost 150 people?

[nsos]

I heard about the crash on the news barely an hour after it happened. I was pretty shocked, but not as shocked as when they followed it up with this 2 days later. What the hell happened to that guy that made him deliberately crash a plane and kill almost 150 people?

"Detectives said they had made a ‘significant discovery’ during a four-hour search of his flat, but insisted it was not a suicide note."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ences.html

[kosmos]

The other pilot was apparently locked outside the cockpit while the other flew them into a mountain.
Finnair (a finnish air company) has a policy that there must always be 2 persons in the cockpit. This is mostly in case of the one guy having a seizure or something, but could've saved the situation in this case also. Hopefully other air companies are taking this policy into use as well.

[DemonFiren]

The Daily Mail article you linked to is citing the Bild.
Fuck the Bild. They're the German equivalent of the Sun, or Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani.

[peoplearestrange]

The Daily Mail article you linked to is citing the Bild.
Fuck the Bild. They're the German equivalent of the Sun, or Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani.

Plus the daily mail is pretty much the Sun under guise of a nicer title font.

[DemonFiren]

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This immediately springs to mind.

[Silavite]

Two posts I found on another forum seems quite enlightening.

If it is the case that this guy wiped out 150 people then it is obviously unforgivable. There are now so many pilots sat in the right seat of big airliners who are up to their neck in debt working long hours on zero hour contracts and struggling to repay their loans.

I have been banging on about this for years to anyone who cares to listen. Aircraft are now crewed often by people who had nothing more than the ability to get themselves into £80,000 to over £100,000 pounds worth of debt rather than the ability to fly an aircraft. Airlines such as Ryanair and other companies are happily relieving these people of thousands more to cover their training. What other industry would you pay your employer £100 an hour to go to work?

On the point of sticking a cabin crew member on the flight deck to watch over things wouldn't help much and most companies are running on minimum crew anyhow and the likes of Ryanair are talking about wanting just one pilot at the controls!

The fact is that there seems to be a sort of an outbreak of accidents where pilots deliberately take the plane down. It is likely that the hardships you mentioned drive a percentage of the psychologically vulnerable / susceptible personalities to mental disorders and once this has happened a minute but apparently real number of them contemplate suicide+murder. Speaking as a physician, I would say that whenever we are talking about suicide+mass murder there are probably many things at play :

1. a serious mental disorder, although not as severe as to completely impair the individual, but nevertheless of adequate intensity to lead to a cognitive distortion regarding the future (usually this is a sense of despair that cannot be escaped by any perceived action)
2. a tremendous sense of anger towards a group or the society as a whole, perceiving them as responsible in a way for the inescapable misery and driving a sentiment of "righteous payback" (some psychopathic personality traits should also be present)
3. the determination to take one's life (these are serious attempts) and the ability to formulate and execute a plan.

The first 2 are unbelievably common. In fact, at any given time you would find that roughly 1% of the population are at such a mental condition. It is the 3rd step where most people stop at (there are indeed many impulsive suicide attempts without serious planning but 9 out of 10 times they fail). For every suicide that one witnesses, there are more than twenty others who thought about it and changed their mind.

It is my view that the way the door locking is implemented (and the fact that there have been similar acts in the past) makes it very easy for these people to formulate a plan (which is essentially bulletproof) and proceed to the 3rd step. If these guys knew that they would have to fight with the co-pilot/flight attendants in order to take the plane down or that there would be a possibility that they would be stopped and arrested, most of them wouldn't attempt it.

Now it's awfully simple : wait until the copilot goes to the toilet, lock the door and that's it. Nobody can stop you, nobody can make you change your mind and there is no chance that you 'll end up behind bars for the rest of your life for attempted murder.

[callanrockslol]

So we need to replace pilots with computers and remove the poor masses again?

[Loonikus]

So we need to replace pilots with computers and remove the poor masses again?

That won't happen for a while. Our technology in the field of autonomous flight simply isn't up to par with the reliability of a human pilot. Autonomous flight is fine for something like delivery drones or a small airlift helicopter, but nobody has made anything nearly reliable enough to entrust the lives of hundreds of people to.

The aircraft industry moves very slowly. Things like electronic displays and digital systems are still competing with steam gages anywhere outside the commercial airliner market. People in this industry (myself included) are very suspicious of newfangled technologies, we're more of a "if its not broken, don't fix it" kind of people. Hell, I still loathe the idea of 100% fly-by-wire aircraft that forgo hydraulic backups. Taking the pilots out of commercial airliners is radical enough to make my hairs stand on end.

That said, it will happen eventually. Airline companies are obsessed with weight reduction, if there is anything they can do to reduce the weight of the aircraft without sacrificing safety, they'll do it. By cutting out weight in one part or system of an aircraft they can "reinvest" that weight into more seats, which lets them sell more tickets per flight and increase their profit margins (along with other factors such as reduced fuel consumption). By cutting out the weight of the flight crew and the flight deck, they would reduce the weight of the aircraft by a considerable amount while at the same time eliminating the need to pay pilots.

[Incomptinence]

Planet earth where we trust automatons to kill people but not to keep them alive. Antimov when?

[ThanatosRa]

The Butlerian Jihad will come. Mark my words.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Planet earth where we trust automatons to kill people but not to keep them alive. Antimov when?

Because at the end of the day, it's so much simpler to a robot to end a life than to save it. One merely requires well-timed application of great force, but the other may require varying, unpredictable, and constant effort for a long period of time without mistakes.

[Incomptinence]

Yeah why would things that don't need to sleep or use the bathroom do well at a prolonged task on a vehicle that needs to be powered anyway?