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DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:41 am #349724

Bottom post of the previous page:

cedarbridge wrote:
1g88a wrote:..
Yeah basically. We have the news media running in circles screaming about russians under every leaf like a fucking Art Bell guest hour but its legit because they're paid to talk about it.

lol

ShadowDimentio · Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:06 am

The real joke is that everyone's in such a panic about Russia trying to recreate the Soviet Union with markedly little success they failed to notice Germany take over Europe again

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:07 am #349737

/pol/ was fun during and immediately after the election but now it's back to being uninteresting

ShadowDimentio · Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:11 am

Ikarrus wrote:/pol/ was fun during and immediately after the election but now it's back to being uninteresting

>Not finding the first few seasons of He Will Not Divide Us interesting

Bad taste detected

ShadowDimentio · Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:24 am

The EU will collapse, the only question is how long will it take and how violent will it be

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:21 am #349752

ShadowDimentio wrote:The real joke is that everyone's in such a panic about Russia trying to recreate the Soviet Union with markedly little success they failed to notice Germany take over Europe again

You're missing the point, but not by much.

It all goes back to WWII. Russia had 30 million dead in that war. 30 MILLION. That was the moment when every Russian promised to themselves and to the future generations to never, EVER let Germany become powerful again. And they meant it. Germany was broke, split in half and kicked into the ground. The threat seemed to be over.

Fast forward to the nineties. Russia had lost the cold war, because communism is cancer and never works. They fell into the hands of drunkards and con men. USA took charge of Europe and started to pour money into it, especially Germany, turning it into a powerhouse and propping it up as the new leader of the EU.

Enter Putin. He looks at the situation and remembers the promise. He remembers that his brother died in the siege of Leningrad, and his other family members who suffered at the hand of the Germans. He has no fear, except for the one single fear he shares with all his countrymen: Germany. So he gets to work.

First, Germany must be isolated from his powerful allies. The rest of the EU must be manipulated into hating Germany. The economic crisis works wonders for that. He bites a chunk off Ukraine to sow fear among his enemies, and make them scramble. The UK must be taken out of the picture. Cue Brexit. The USA must be set against the EU. Cue Trump. France is a setback. If he can't get EU countries to split from the EU, they must be broken up from the inside. Cue Catalunya. Next one is Italy, but you'll have to wait until February for that.

There's much work still to do. But the end goal is clear. Germany must never, EVER become powerful again.

The Russians don't forget.

ShadowDimentio · Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:33 am

Make Germany Ruins Again
-Putin 20XX

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:33 pm #349801

I swear Putin is teetering on being a jewish plant. Anyways, riots in the US seem to have came down, so thats post poning the inevitable. The wall (tm) seems to be coming along nicely as its ongoing construction standing testament to the statement "Dont listen to liberals"

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:32 pm #349895

When you can't go through with it and you an't go over it and you can't get around, you know that you've found - The Wall

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:02 pm #349915

How can they? It's not like they're paying for it.

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:37 pm #349970

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:44 am #350033

Shit's all pretty fucked

Welcome to earth

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:38 am #350107

intigracy again being captain obvious
and the reason why i don't do social networks

Super Aggro Crag · Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:27 am

I thought the reason you didn't use social networking was because no one wants to socialize with you

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:08 am #350136

big data is the only credible threat to democracy in this day and age

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:04 pm #350204

DemonFiren wrote:big data is the only credible threat to democracy in this day and age

Big data is merely the latest manifestation of the age-old threat to democracy- the unequal power relationships that corrode the idea of equal representation.

Consider: if there existed no class of empowered individuals, with their own interests distinct from those of people in general, would we be concerned about the accumulation of data?

Of course not, because the existence and analysis of the data itself is not what is troubling- it is the idea that a certain class of people have exclusive access to this data, and both the means and motive to use it in their own interests against the interests of others.

One can, after all, imagine a highly transparent yet egalitarian society (a la Eclipse Phase) in which the availability of massive amounts of data about individuals is merely culturally odd to us, rather than actively troubling as is the case with big data.

Speaking more in the philosophical abstract- the notion of democracy and the notion of unequal power relationships are fundamentally opposed.

The core notion of democracy is that every person should have an equal say in government.

But an unequal power relationship, by definition, includes the ability to influence or direct how others will act- and there is no compelling reason or way to avoid this being applies to government.

It follows then that anything that gives one person power over another- whether economic, racial, informational, cultural, or forcible- ought to be avoided, or at least minimized to the greatest extent that is possible in practice, if we are committed to the notion that every person ruled over by a government ought have an equal say in that government.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:35 pm #350355

Sounds about right
It's not the data you should be concerned about, thats out there anyway.
It's how it's going to be used against you to get things done that you don't want.

Not even talking big conspiracies, just simple stuff too. Like getting you the right personalized ads to manipulate you into buying things you don't want. Or cherrypicking social media posts(If you use that junk) to make you look bad.
Things like that are a problem too

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:04 am #350423

>Communists purge officers again

They really should work out the renewables though

1g88a · Post by **1g88a** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:01 am #350513

XSI wrote:>Communists purge officers again

They really should work out the renewables though

Isn't the PLA notoriously corrupt (haha, but which military isn't!)? Xi already made a big show of political corruption cleanups so this'll probably be more of that.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:24 am #350527

I'm not saying it's not a reasonable thing to do
Just saying it's not the first time communists purged their officer corps

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:39 am #350529

Well, Stalin set the trend

And by purge.... do they mean firings or firing squads?

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:43 pm #351079

[youtube]FvnWkeS6NOE[/youtube]

ShadowDimentio · Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:30 am

Headlines: Far-Right internet message board 4 Chan coordinates and executes drone strike on France

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:45 pm #351256

Give Cali as petence for N.Korea

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:15 pm #351271

There won't be any tanks, Rajoy will disband the regional parliament and new elections will be held.

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:43 pm #351278

CosmicScientist wrote:
70 for (one was thought to be spoiled, I imagine literacy isn't necessary for becoming a politician but it does help!)

10 against

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Could someone confirm if their parliament has 135 members like wikipedia says. Because that means... a lot of members stayed home (82/135 = 53 missing), and the vote wasn't decisive.

70/135 is still over 50%

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:07 pm #351356

CosmicScientist wrote:CATALONIA VOTES FOR INDEPENDENCE!

Their parliament voted on independence just a few minutes ago.
70 for (one was thought to be spoiled, I imagine literacy isn't necessary for becoming a politician but it does help!)

10 against

2 blank
Could someone confirm if their parliament has 135 members like wikipedia says. Because that means... a lot of members stayed home (82/135 = 53 missing), and the vote wasn't decisive.

Who wants to find out when the tanks will roll in?!

Yeah well, flick to Parliament TV once in a while and count the number of empty seats (or count the amount of full ones, probably easier)

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:10 pm #352091

In other news, Rajoy has disbanded the catalunyan parliament, unionist (anti-secession) parties are expected to win the new elections, and Puidgemont has fled to Belgium to avoid arrest. Seems like the whole fuss is over and honest-working citizens can go back to their lives.

1g88a · Post by **1g88a** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:11 pm #352179

[youtube]MrkoHZKMnvM[/youtube]

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:41 pm #352348

>manafort indicted
>papadopoulos pleads guilty
>near silence from the usual subjects of this thread

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:46 pm #352349

because it isn't newsworthy
it's obvious and everybody knew it

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:47 pm #352351

manafort maybe but no one saw the papadopoulos shit coming

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:51 pm #352352

i don't know about that

anyway
i predict a surge of "but that doesn't prove trump did anything wrong"

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:52 pm #352354

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

keep in mind these aren't just charges, dude pleaded guilty

highlight: he did some of this OVER FACEBOOK

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:21 pm #352381

So basically
Old people mis-using tech and getting in hot water?

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:28 pm

XSI wrote:So basically
Old people mis-using tech and getting in hot water?

Reminds me of someone hmmm

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:32 am #352406

Kevin Spacey tried to bum a 14 year old boy who grew up to be a theatre star years later; blames it on his degenerate homosexuality.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:51 am #352433

XSI wrote:So basically
Old people mis-using tech and getting in hot water?

nah dude's like in his late 20s/early 30s

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:12 am #352479

CosmicScientist wrote:Trump stuff is kind of as boring as brexit. Each week him, his family, his current associates or his past associates have ties with Russia, rigged the election, used their government positions to profit privately, engaged in nepotism or has a nuke 'em opinion about X country or organisation.

Would you rather talk about cocaine-fueled orgies with hookers and cheap whiskey held inside a ballistic missile submarine?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:15 am #352480

that sounds way more entertaining tbh

Screemonster · Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:16 am

Grazyn wrote:
CosmicScientist wrote:Trump stuff is kind of as boring as brexit. Each week him, his family, his current associates or his past associates have ties with Russia, rigged the election, used their government positions to profit privately, engaged in nepotism or has a nuke 'em opinion about X country or organisation.
Would you rather talk about cocaine-fueled orgies with hookers and cheap whiskey held inside a ballistic missile submarine?

sounds like your average round on barotrauma

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:39 am #352497

It's even funnier when you realize that British Trident missile commanders are able to launch their missiles without authorization (they don't have "nuclear codes" or anything like that). Everyone is worried about Kim or Trump ending the world but it turns out that doomsday could've easily been triggered by a drunk british commander fellated by the XO in a drug-induced stupor.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:12 pm #352619

Grazyn wrote:It's even funnier when you realize that British Trident missile commanders are able to launch their missiles without authorization (they don't have "nuclear codes" or anything like that). Everyone is worried about Kim or Trump ending the world but it turns out that doomsday could've easily been triggered by a drunk british commander fellated by the XO in a drug-induced stupor.

During the cold war the launch code was 00000000

Ruskies have a two part key system, that's not two keys that turn in separate consoles, but one key that is in two halves

onleavedontatme · Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:25 pm

https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/sta ... ce-america

ShadowDimentio · Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:34 pm

Jogs the nog

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:37 pm #352659

It appears that at least 33% of people in the two big parties are too stupid to be allowed to vote.

onleavedontatme · Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:46 pm

cedarbridge wrote:It appears that at least 33% of people in the two big parties are too stupid to be allowed to vote.

Better find a way to phrase that more respectfully or your speech rights are gonna get suspended

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:47 pm #352664

Build that wall and send them back.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:10 pm #352674

can i get a link to the detailed survey results

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:28 pm #352683

It's amusing that the most disrespectful people support banning free speech for those who are disrespectful

Of course, the idea is that it only applies to people disrespectful against them. And not to them being disrespectful to anyone else

cedarbridge · Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:47 pm

XSI wrote:It's amusing that the most disrespectful people support banning free speech for those who are disrespectful

Of course, the idea is that it only applies to people disrespectful against them. And not to them being disrespectful to anyone else

This is hatespeech. We're going to have to confiscate your Internet browser.