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XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that graph say that on average each round after Jack as antag has 2 less people on roundstart?
Is that really conclusive evidence that he damages the server?
Jaredfogle wrote:
I think 2 means 20%, 4 means 40% etc?
Shaps-cloud wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:59 am
May eventually become one of the illusive maintainer-headmins if they choose to pursue that path, having a coder in the senior admin leadership has usually been positive for both sides in the past.
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:
Is it possible those people are just shifting to another server?
Yes. That's what I've been saying.
Shaps-cloud wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:59 am
May eventually become one of the illusive maintainer-headmins if they choose to pursue that path, having a coder in the senior admin leadership has usually been positive for both sides in the past.
I think my favourite bit is his suggestion that the only possible type of conflict there is is one person murdering everyone on the station
>bagil is the server everyone is on, always highpop
>old player joins and murderbones every round
>new players go to sybil, bagil is always lower pop now
>old players are left with other old players who play in ways to make people leave, annoyed admins, and new players who get hounded until they learn to go to sybil instead
>old players log into forums and post "BAGIL IS IN A TERRIBLE STATE"
you cant make this up
edit: and i almost forgot, the cycle always repeats
>sybil is the server everyone is on, always highpop
>old player joins and murderbones
wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:02 am
Qbmax32 is quite literally one of the dumbest individuals I have ever had the misfortune of coming into contact with. He has zero redeemable traits, and honestly I have to suppress my gag reflex every time he shows up in a conversation.
Malkraz wrote:YES
DRINK THE PISS QB
angelstarri wrote:qbmax is a retard
imsxz wrote:mythic please stop you’ve hit rock bottom and you KEEP DIGGING
deedubya wrote:I'll defend to the death your right to scream "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" on a constant basis, but I'll also equally defend the right of people to call you a fuckin' pillock for doing it.
datorangebottle wrote:what, not having to act like customer service in a volunteer customer service position?
Here's a rebuttal: you're literally in a customer service slash celebrity position. Volunteer or not.
Malkraz wrote:can you stop posting this shit
Nalzul wrote:Fuck Blob (can you imagine how hot it would be to be gangbanged by a bunch of blobbernauts, the blob, and spores)
Wyzack wrote:qbmax your pathetic display of abhorrent burgercraft has brought shame onto the omnivores
Plapatin wrote:i AM the senate
BONERMASTER wrote:I am a big thinker, and it would only be logical if my character had a big head as well. And glasses. Because only people that think, wear glasses.
feem wrote:i tried to send canisters of urine to the station but ended up turning all oxygen into urine and breaking lavaland and also breathing
Anonmare wrote:Each post in this thread can't settle on what it wants to be, but yet, each one is more cursed than the last.
Beesting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.
Vile Beggar wrote:i don't like this thread
imsxz wrote:nervore
FantasticFwoosh wrote:I will whisper sweet nothings that will confuse and perhaps scare you a little, but enhance the experience no-less.
afelinidisfinetoo wrote:By the way, the person who posted that catgirl porn on the github page was me. If anyone wants my private stash just PM me
Nervere wrote:Anything for a femoid.....
Qbopper wrote:I'm a dumb poopy butthead
CitrusGender wrote:god i love it when people feed me my own fried legs
Jaredfogle wrote:They're not getting better, considering you've been doing this for months and months. They're leaving. They're leaving to avoid you.
pretty sure people are leaving because you pushed out obnoxious game control altering code
holy shit are you actually stupid, did you even understand the modelling in the graph they posted? It's the percentage of people who leave in a round where someone is traitor, not a global decline in playerbase.
I know assistant mains are stupid but this is really taking the cake
wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:02 am
Qbmax32 is quite literally one of the dumbest individuals I have ever had the misfortune of coming into contact with. He has zero redeemable traits, and honestly I have to suppress my gag reflex every time he shows up in a conversation.
Malkraz wrote:YES
DRINK THE PISS QB
angelstarri wrote:qbmax is a retard
imsxz wrote:mythic please stop you’ve hit rock bottom and you KEEP DIGGING
deedubya wrote:I'll defend to the death your right to scream "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" on a constant basis, but I'll also equally defend the right of people to call you a fuckin' pillock for doing it.
datorangebottle wrote:what, not having to act like customer service in a volunteer customer service position?
Here's a rebuttal: you're literally in a customer service slash celebrity position. Volunteer or not.
Malkraz wrote:can you stop posting this shit
Nalzul wrote:Fuck Blob (can you imagine how hot it would be to be gangbanged by a bunch of blobbernauts, the blob, and spores)
Wyzack wrote:qbmax your pathetic display of abhorrent burgercraft has brought shame onto the omnivores
Plapatin wrote:i AM the senate
BONERMASTER wrote:I am a big thinker, and it would only be logical if my character had a big head as well. And glasses. Because only people that think, wear glasses.
feem wrote:i tried to send canisters of urine to the station but ended up turning all oxygen into urine and breaking lavaland and also breathing
Anonmare wrote:Each post in this thread can't settle on what it wants to be, but yet, each one is more cursed than the last.
Beesting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.
Vile Beggar wrote:i don't like this thread
imsxz wrote:nervore
FantasticFwoosh wrote:I will whisper sweet nothings that will confuse and perhaps scare you a little, but enhance the experience no-less.
afelinidisfinetoo wrote:By the way, the person who posted that catgirl porn on the github page was me. If anyone wants my private stash just PM me
Nervere wrote:Anything for a femoid.....
Qbopper wrote:I'm a dumb poopy butthead
CitrusGender wrote:god i love it when people feed me my own fried legs
WineAllWine wrote:Most of the comments here are irrelevant, the complaint wouldn't hold any water if the admin hadn't died to the antag.
If they had logged on and observed and did these smites (or more) no-one could claim this was punishable behaviour.
Doing this after dying to the person you're smiting looking like admin abuse, and that's all there is to it.
good morning wineallwine,
i have chosen an extract taken from the admin rules listed under the admin conduct page on the wiki, which i suspect you are familiar with:
Don't cheat. Do not use admin powers for your own benefit. Don't use your powers to abuse other players.
to this extent, i feel as though your comment of 'no-one could claim this was punishable behaviour' is not foundationally true, as one could claim it is a violation of your rules.
best wishes,
bobbah 'bee' brown
Bobbah,
As usual your comment is as correct as it is articulate.
My point with my previous comment was more about the fact that the obvious admin abuse is the real issue here.There are arguments to be had about whether admins should smite muderboners, but those arguments shouldn't had had here.
It is entirely my fault for conflating these issues,
All the best,
Wine
Farquaar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:43 pm
Imagine my grandparents surviving nazi concentration camps only for their grandson to be accused of nazism for criticizing a citrus fruit on the internet.
wesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:02 am
Qbmax32 is quite literally one of the dumbest individuals I have ever had the misfortune of coming into contact with. He has zero redeemable traits, and honestly I have to suppress my gag reflex every time he shows up in a conversation.
Malkraz wrote:YES
DRINK THE PISS QB
angelstarri wrote:qbmax is a retard
imsxz wrote:mythic please stop you’ve hit rock bottom and you KEEP DIGGING
deedubya wrote:I'll defend to the death your right to scream "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" on a constant basis, but I'll also equally defend the right of people to call you a fuckin' pillock for doing it.
datorangebottle wrote:what, not having to act like customer service in a volunteer customer service position?
Here's a rebuttal: you're literally in a customer service slash celebrity position. Volunteer or not.
Malkraz wrote:can you stop posting this shit
Nalzul wrote:Fuck Blob (can you imagine how hot it would be to be gangbanged by a bunch of blobbernauts, the blob, and spores)
Wyzack wrote:qbmax your pathetic display of abhorrent burgercraft has brought shame onto the omnivores
Plapatin wrote:i AM the senate
BONERMASTER wrote:I am a big thinker, and it would only be logical if my character had a big head as well. And glasses. Because only people that think, wear glasses.
feem wrote:i tried to send canisters of urine to the station but ended up turning all oxygen into urine and breaking lavaland and also breathing
Anonmare wrote:Each post in this thread can't settle on what it wants to be, but yet, each one is more cursed than the last.
Beesting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.
Vile Beggar wrote:i don't like this thread
imsxz wrote:nervore
FantasticFwoosh wrote:I will whisper sweet nothings that will confuse and perhaps scare you a little, but enhance the experience no-less.
afelinidisfinetoo wrote:By the way, the person who posted that catgirl porn on the github page was me. If anyone wants my private stash just PM me
Nervere wrote:Anything for a femoid.....
Qbopper wrote:I'm a dumb poopy butthead
CitrusGender wrote:god i love it when people feed me my own fried legs
In jackrips defense he is what I would call a “good faith” murderboner, if you don’t consider those things to be mutually exclusive. Obviously he does it for himself, every murderboner does. But he doesn’t spam recall, intentionally leaves a few openings, and in general is just blowing off steam in a way that at the very least is not intended to be malicious. I’ve never really cared about murderboning until lately because it really does fuck with bagil pop - which is something I do care about.
IMO the problem extends beyond lowpop murderbone because if all you do is wait until pop moves past what we consider “low” and start murderboning, you’re systematically, even if unintentionally/unknowingly, beating the population into the dirt and keeping it low. Back in 2018 it was all good and fun (even I joined in, and still do on the very rare occasion) because we had a consistently bulky population which honestly blows my mind by todays standards (pop regularly approaching triple digits).
But now that’s not the case, although I’m definitely not naive enough to attribute it solely or primarily to murderboning. Bagil died off and has been on a hard path back to more stable population. Part of me is curious, in an abstract sort of way, what would happen if we banned/restricted murderbone on lower/fluctuating pop servers. There is absolutely no guarantee that type of policy would secure good results, and I can even imagine a few potentially damaging ones that might arise from it, but I’m curious!
so the results are that i cause a 15% player dropoff and am bested by people like dootdoom and jusuph lol. like i told you in discord i was originally talking about players leaving tg as a whole, i don't disagree that people leave when someone murderbones and go to another server. this is why i call the shuttle asap, to minimize the amount of people who leave to go play sybil. this is also why i've been taking it easier on the bagilites recently.
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:What if Bagil is just the designated bloodbath server
I think TGMC probably does that better, as they can focus more exclusively on combat than we can
god you dont know how happy it makes me to see everything i've been saying for months echoed before i get there. this is cathartic
Shaps-cloud wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:59 am
May eventually become one of the illusive maintainer-headmins if they choose to pursue that path, having a coder in the senior admin leadership has usually been positive for both sides in the past.
jackrip wrote:
i don't disagree that people leave when someone murderbones and go to another server. this is why i call the shuttle asap, to minimize the amount of people who leave to go play sybil. this is also why i've been taking it easier on the bagilites recently.
If you know that what you do hurts the population as a whole, then trying to "mitigate" it in the way you're doing is like constantly kicking sand in peoples faces, offering them paper towels, then wondering why nobody comes to the beach anymore.
Shaps-cloud wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:59 am
May eventually become one of the illusive maintainer-headmins if they choose to pursue that path, having a coder in the senior admin leadership has usually been positive for both sides in the past.
jackrip wrote:
i don't disagree that people leave when someone murderbones and go to another server. this is why i call the shuttle asap, to minimize the amount of people who leave to go play sybil. this is also why i've been taking it easier on the bagilites recently.
If you know that what you do hurts the population as a whole, then trying to "mitigate" it in the way you're doing is like constantly kicking sand in peoples faces, offering them paper towels, then wondering why nobody comes to the beach anymore.
they should be inside anyways don't you know there is a pandemic
why do people listen to oranges when he actually never plays
he's like the ultimate backseat drive or armchair detective, squealing about things he isn't even involved in. oranges has done more to destroy the playerbase than I ever could
its more like a deep seated sadness every time i see you post
sitting at the edge of the community because they won't let you in
hated by basically everyone who isn't a coder
i mean shit if you think they hate me you should google yourself sometime
wesoda25 wrote:In jackrips defense he is what I would call a “good faith” murderboner, if you don’t consider those things to be mutually exclusive. Obviously he does it for himself, every murderboner does. But he doesn’t spam recall, intentionally leaves a few openings, and in general is just blowing off steam in a way that at the very least is not intended to be malicious. I’ve never really cared about murderboning until lately because it really does fuck with bagil pop - which is something I do care about.
IMO the problem extends beyond lowpop murderbone because if all you do is wait until pop moves past what we consider “low” and start murderboning, you’re systematically, even if unintentionally/unknowingly, beating the population into the dirt and keeping it low. Back in 2018 it was all good and fun (even I joined in, and still do on the very rare occasion) because we had a consistently bulky population which honestly blows my mind by todays standards (pop regularly approaching triple digits).
But now that’s not the case, although I’m definitely not naive enough to attribute it solely or primarily to murderboning. Bagil died off and has been on a hard path back to more stable population. Part of me is curious, in an abstract sort of way, what would happen if we banned/restricted murderbone on lower/fluctuating pop servers. There is absolutely no guarantee that type of policy would secure good results, and I can even imagine a few potentially damaging ones that might arise from it, but I’m curious!
am i not supposed to just keep playing like its 2018 hoping that one day it will be again
Jaredfogle wrote:They're not getting better, considering you've been doing this for months and months. They're leaving. They're leaving to avoid you.
pretty sure people are leaving because you pushed out obnoxious game control altering code
korol or anyones murderboning can be annoying but people have literally 3 other fucking servers to play on not to mention plenty of downstream servers
like others have said, punish appropriately, give the antag missions, find a way to make it fun for EVERYONE. that's your fucking job in addition to making sure people arent breaking rules.
I know you all do it for free but your job is not fucking pressing buttons because someones playstyle annoys you
jackrip wrote:
am i not supposed to just keep playing like its 2018 hoping that one day it will be again
damn can't believe the multiplayer only game which relies on the user-base to provide interaction and fun has a different user-base than 2 years ago; and the game that's also known for getting daily/weekly updates from coders tweaking/adding/reworking features also plays differently than it did 2 years ago
oranges wrote:You know, you're probably correct, but I have come to terms with it, whereas you still seem to think you're not the problem.
Hope you figure it out one day kid
Probably correct? Doesn't sound like you have come to terms with it to me. As for me being the issue, well maybe, but people have been murderboning far before I was around, and I'm definitely not the only one to do it. Also, according to mothblocks data I only make us lose 15% pop and am bested by dootdoom and heliob, maybe you should set your sights on the true villains like jusuph or dootdoom. I mean jusuph has 500 ping average and manages to make pop drop off as much as me, we should probably ban him.
If it helps at all orange man, I like you. I bet I would like you a lot more if you started playing. Come box me in dorms we can have a grand ol time. Mwah Mwah lots of kisses
mate, it's pretty clear you've been hit in a sore point, instead of addressing the clear data indicating your misbehaviour is a problem, you have deflected the entire point into an argument about how I am worse than you, despite the fact I wasn't the one who posted any of the data.
but just to continue this one sided beat down of you and your views.
here is the graph of player retention since we began collecting player connections
you'll notice that it remains steady and indeed has grown under my reign, helped by the sseth tide.
Cobby wrote:Do people who constantly murderbone not understand that
1) they are not the only murderbone main and especially in higher pop it can be several rounds in a row where people are doing this garbage
2) murderboning is easily the biggest reason why the servers dropped creative uses of antags. People want to play the game (surprise surprise) so eventually they get fed up with having to sit out for most of the time and start slowly gearing up more and more as well as start kosing antags regardless of action (because they don’t want to get their round ruined), which in turn means people just murderbone more since any creative use of the role gets rewarded with sitting out as well. Murderboning does not just ruin the round you’re in, it ruins the ability for antags to run gimmicks in later rounds because you now have people on edge.
People bitch over highly chaotic admin-inspired events and I can assure you this would be complaint city if it happened repeatedly for several rounds, but players who create a similar environment are not only allowed to do so but are also encouraged to do so since there is no recourse for people who only play to ensure others do not.
Rule 4 is the only rule people will die hard follow without any desire to allow context and other rules, such as rule 1, to be considered, and then the same people who enforce it can’t understand why people go to manuel or other servers (and you hope they’re staying on tg) because they literally cannot play the game except in the play style of tdm because anything else just has you sitting around for an hour thirty.
good post
technokek wrote:Cannot prove this so just belive me if when say this
oranges wrote:mate, it's pretty clear you've been hit in a sore point, instead of addressing the clear data indicating your misbehaviour is a problem, you have deflected the entire point into an argument about how I am worse than you, despite the fact I wasn't the one who posted any of the data.
but just to continue this one sided beat down of you and your views.
here is the graph of player retention since we began collecting player connections
you'll notice that it remains steady and indeed has grown under my reign, helped by the sseth tide.
if killing is misbehavior i don't want to be a good boy
unfortunately that data is completely unrelated to your reign and 100% related to the fact that I've been murderboning. You see that spike at month 58? Yeah that's me.
Qustinnus wrote:jackrip sounds like someone that should stick to singleplayer games
They should try out roblox too; playing competitive games against small children and top-scoring every round sounds right up their alley and they don't even have to die to see people complain in deadchat
Naloac wrote:This thread has completely devolved into discussing murder boning in general when it should probably be geared towards the quite obvious admin abuse case
*also murderboning is fun as fuck and wont stop being the *thing to do as antag* until antags get less kill shit stuff and more weird stupid shit./ objectives that have some sort of real difficulty to do*
maybe if some of the most important variables in the codebase weren't being held hostage by MSO then we could probably lower the amount of murderbone
Super Aggro Crag wrote:maybe if c*ders would make the game fun people wouldn't be tempted to murderbone
Two thoughts on this in a really messy post: it's really hard to untangle current systems without the idea of gutting anything and starting from the bottom (we can't just remove a department and a massive gutting calls to remove more). And the other thought is that Essentially we're trying to offer years and years of content when obvs that's incredibly impossible as that's something only mobas have done with mechanics focused on stretching game time for reward as thin as possible in intentionally addictive ways
god dude you dont need to make an entire case on why you murderbone about "the good of the community" just say that it's fun as fuck to mow down entire crowds
psa: you can also substitute skill for game knowledge sometimes
(FORMER) tgmc admin (I HAVE REGAINED MY HUMAN RIGHTS)
I'd rather players maintain a healthy relationship with the game and quit/take breaks when needed instead of trying to force themselves to squeeze a little more dopamine out of the game with unhealthy tactics
Most of the coders we got are fucking losers like edgelordexe, holy fuck I hate that guy motherfucker fucked up miner. How? There was an issue with people bringing medipens to the station, and multiple prs were open making it so medipens weren’t able to be used on station. Fuck titles his Pr middle ground or some gay shit and just nerfed medipens as a whole motherfucker has melting cheese for a fucking brain I know this is the literal embodiment of “rent free” but Jesus Christ I despise him
jackrip wrote:This has turned into the classic coders v players. coders usually think whatever oranges says, and the players usually go for the opposite of that
this implies you are playing the game and are therefore a player; but your idea of engaging with the game is just killing everyone else and then getting out of your computer chair and doing fortnite dances; but there's way more game mechanics and social interactions to be had than just turning 32x32 sprites horizontal by clicking on them and making 30 people have to alt tab for half an hour.
jackrip wrote:This has turned into the classic coders v players. coders usually think whatever oranges says, and the players usually go for the opposite of that
but your idea of engaging with the game is just killing everyone else and then getting out of your computer chair and doing fortnite dances
that is just a low blow
(FORMER) tgmc admin (I HAVE REGAINED MY HUMAN RIGHTS)
jackrip wrote:This has turned into the classic coders v players. coders usually think whatever oranges says, and the players usually go for the opposite of that
this implies you are playing the game and are therefore a player; but your idea of engaging with the game is just killing everyone else and then getting out of your computer chair and doing fortnite dances; but there's way more game mechanics and social interactions to be had than just turning 32x32 sprites horizontal by clicking on them and making 30 people have to alt tab for half an hour.
Another Korol victim also lol do you have a gif pfp that’s fucking cringe!