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In this case you do have a voice in whether usage of said slur offends you or not.cSeal wrote:Im black does that mean my opinion matters now lolterranaut wrote: none of you are even black but this is one of the most active peanut threads in a while with lots of opinions, why does anyone here care
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
Ironic, coming from someone complaining he is being oppressed because he isn't allowed to insult people with the n-wordFlatulent wrote:Perhaps one day we could range ban americans and british from Terry so I won’t have to deal with internet warriors looking for oppression where there is none.
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
I haven’t mentioned that I am being oppressed once.NoxVS wrote:Ironic, coming from someone complaining he is being oppressed because he isn't allowed to insult people with the n-wordFlatulent wrote:Perhaps one day we could range ban americans and british from Terry so I won’t have to deal with internet warriors looking for oppression where there is none.
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
Exhibit B on why I push back hard on slur banning. Even the man who wrote the rule has some distinction between the n word with er and the n word with a, but only if it is proceeded by "plz".MrStonedOne wrote:The rules haven't changed, you can say nigger as long as your usage of it isn't bigoted.
Calling somebody a nigger is almost always a bigoted use.
Conveying this to admins without opening the floodgates on bans for "nigga plz" has been the challenging part, and up until recently the rule has been under enforced by most admins because my messaging to them erred on the side of caution. (sticky is not most admins)
Understand that there is a downside to my "No thought crimes" guideline to bigotry enforcement, ones intention to be bigoted doesn't come into the discussion except as a consideration for how severe or light the corrective action should be.
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
I get what you mean about others not being able to "make the distinction". But again, this is something you yourself are accustomed to, and can separate and know in your head. The impression from outside is quite different, and expecting admins to make exceptions and apply different rulings depending on what's on your mind is ridiculous.Flatulent wrote:I understand what they’re trying to say, but I disagree with their accessment. I used the word because that’s what I happened to want to use at the time and I don’t know why I should give too much thought to my choice of slurs besides pissy nannies getting upset over it. I don’t weaponise shit, I just type what I feel like typing and roll with it.Agux909 wrote:Yo flatulent I refuse to believe you're this square to not understand what people is trying to convey to you here.
You slipped the tongue and used the slur nigger with a negative connotation, against someone, when you were mad. You say you had no intention to demean anyone's ethnicity? That you did it more out of habit and culture? If that's really the case then fine, you aren't a bigot.
However, slip-up or not, cultural habit or not, common internet slang or not, you weaponized that specific slur at the time to insult someone, and that's a bigoted action.
Are you one? Admins can't read minds so they can't know. They work with what they have on the table, plus what you tell them. And the table showed bigotry, which is what rule 11 is trying to keep out from this community.
Please tell me you understand this fact. You understand that you weren't noted just for "saying a slur", right? I just used the same slur up there. That up there is "just saying a slur".
Now imagine people could get banned for using a slur as I did up there. Ridiculous right? That's why implementing a list of banned slurs is also not a good idea.
The connection between using the slur in a negative connotation to insult people and using the slur in a negative connotation to compare the person to an unpriveleged group that may be deemed inferior by some and insult the person this way isn’t made by me. It’s made by you. And I refuse to understand why exactly that should be my problem.
Perhaps one day we could range ban americans and british from Terry so I won’t have to deal with internet warriors looking for oppression where there is none.
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
I find the excessive and casual use of nigger on our servers in general and your specific use of it to be offensive and cringe yesFlatulent wrote:In this case you do have a voice in whether usage of said slur offends you or not.cSeal wrote:Im black does that mean my opinion matters now lolterranaut wrote: none of you are even black but this is one of the most active peanut threads in a while with lots of opinions, why does anyone here care
Unironically the reason I stopped playing human, It somehow felt better to change to a non human than make my static white to avoid being called a niggerFantasticFwoosh wrote:If you have a problem with people slurring your character, just change your character's appearance..
and why exactly me saying the n word on an european server where you don’t see it and i don’t have any encounters with you cause me to get noted if you aren’t there to voice any complaints about it and nobody present gets offended?cSeal wrote:I find the excessive and casual use of nigger on our servers in general and your specific use of it to be offensive and cringe yesFlatulent wrote:In this case you do have a voice in whether usage of said slur offends you or not.cSeal wrote:Im black does that mean my opinion matters now lolterranaut wrote: none of you are even black but this is one of the most active peanut threads in a while with lots of opinions, why does anyone here care
and I don't think that's an unreasonable opinion for literally anyone to hold, black or not
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
))=3Flatulent wrote:forum posting will never translate the feeling of old voice chat lobbies when you couldn’t understand what the fuck is anyone saying because everyone is yelling simultaneously with a 5$ chinese mic
Its sad that black characters in ss13 are automatically viewed as tyrone mcwatermelon types who have a pension for kleptomania, watermelons, and hatred towards security, so much that when actual black people play the game they either play as white people or non-humans.cSeal wrote:Unironically the reason I stopped playing human, It somehow felt better to change to a non human than make my static white to avoid being called a niggerFantasticFwoosh wrote:If you have a problem with people slurring your character, just change your character's appearance..
Spoiler:
"oh shit hes black ok hold on his opinion has to matter i guess"Flatulent wrote:and why exactly me saying the n word on an european server where you don’t see it and i don’t have any encounters with you cause me to get noted if you aren’t there to voice any complaints about it and nobody present gets offended?cSeal wrote:I find the excessive and casual use of nigger on our servers in general and your specific use of it to be offensive and cringe yesFlatulent wrote:In this case you do have a voice in whether usage of said slur offends you or not.cSeal wrote: Im black does that mean my opinion matters now lol
and I don't think that's an unreasonable opinion for literally anyone to hold, black or not
play opus: echo of starsongSuper Aggro Crag wrote:This is what u get when u let people into your community
if i didn’t care for his opinion, i wouldn’t ask shit from him as even talking to jannies makes me nauseousOmega_DarkPotato wrote:"oh shit hes black ok hold on his opinion has to matter i guess"Flatulent wrote:and why exactly me saying the n word on an european server where you don’t see it and i don’t have any encounters with you cause me to get noted if you aren’t there to voice any complaints about it and nobody present gets offended?cSeal wrote:I find the excessive and casual use of nigger on our servers in general and your specific use of it to be offensive and cringe yesFlatulent wrote:In this case you do have a voice in whether usage of said slur offends you or not.cSeal wrote: Im black does that mean my opinion matters now lol
and I don't think that's an unreasonable opinion for literally anyone to hold, black or not
"what you're doing is cringe"
"UHHHHH IT NO LONGER MATTERS"
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
on manuel i have seen people play as these aforementioned "tyrone mcwatermelon" types and they're usually shitters who try to robust people and fail horribly over minor inconveniencesCobby wrote:Its sad that black characters in ss13 are automatically viewed as tyrone mcwatermelon types who have a pension for kleptomania, watermelons, and hatred towards security, so much that when actual black people play the game they either play as white people or non-humans.cSeal wrote:Unironically the reason I stopped playing human, It somehow felt better to change to a non human than make my static white to avoid being called a niggerFantasticFwoosh wrote:If you have a problem with people slurring your character, just change your character's appearance..
Spoiler:
If you played as a black human you are literally immune to being called the n word, even for people who dont care for the slur ban (as in all admins will vehemently btfo people who call you such).
If you're talking about this note specifically, I think there's a compelling case to be made that this note should be removed, as clarification for HOW to enforce rule 11 literally only came about because of this incident and only became known outside of ye old INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower when you made your appealFlatulent wrote:and why exactly me saying the n word on an european server where you don’t see it and i don’t have any encounters with you cause me to get noted if you aren’t there to voice any complaints about it and nobody present gets offended?cSeal wrote:I find the excessive and casual use of nigger on our servers in general and your specific use of it to be offensive and cringe yesFlatulent wrote:In this case you do have a voice in whether usage of said slur offends you or not.cSeal wrote:Im black does that mean my opinion matters now lolterranaut wrote: none of you are even black but this is one of the most active peanut threads in a while with lots of opinions, why does anyone here care
and I don't think that's an unreasonable opinion for literally anyone to hold, black or not
I’m glad we agree, so you have no problem with being told not to say the n-word then right?Flatulent wrote:I haven’t mentioned that I am being oppressed once.NoxVS wrote:Ironic, coming from someone complaining he is being oppressed because he isn't allowed to insult people with the n-wordFlatulent wrote:Perhaps one day we could range ban americans and british from Terry so I won’t have to deal with internet warriors looking for oppression where there is none.
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
Nox I like you but stop being so willfully obtuse.NoxVS wrote:I’m glad we agree, so you have no problem with being told not to say the n-word then right?
Are you seriously that stupid or just pretending? All I’m doing is calling you a person of questionable intellectual capability over your monumentally shit takes. I will continue saying the n-word even after this appeal, as the word isn’t actually banned much to your dismay. But instead of using it to insult people, I will now have to figure out much more elaborate insults that don’t include any oppressed groups or peoples (or were historically used to discribe them), but hand tailor them against the person I am specifically insulting. You must be honoured by the amount of effort I will have to apply just to get my point(the point is you being a “dumb faggot” as I would say before the rule 11 change) across to you or any other person of questionable comprehension skills.NoxVS wrote:I’m glad we agree, so you have no problem with being told not to say the n-word then right?Flatulent wrote:I haven’t mentioned that I am being oppressed once.NoxVS wrote:Ironic, coming from someone complaining he is being oppressed because he isn't allowed to insult people with the n-wordFlatulent wrote:Perhaps one day we could range ban americans and british from Terry so I won’t have to deal with internet warriors looking for oppression where there is none.
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
I am glad we agree on this, if nothing else.cSeal wrote: If you're talking about this note specifically, I think there's a compelling case to be made that this note should be removed, as clarification for HOW to enforce rule 11 literally only came about because of this incident and only became known outside of ye old INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower when you made your appeal
In this case it’s not a blanket ban and I get to choose when to use it as an insult. If the person is rightfully offended over this, they’re free to ahelp me as it happens now. But jannies taking the initiative into their own hands and going full thoughtcrime secret police? Spare me of that shit.cSeal wrote: But if you're talking in a more broad sense;
would you rather that you're allowed to say it until someone DOES take offense and then suddenly you're btfo'd?
If there’s a stigma against ahelping when rule breaks happen, I’d say that is a higher priority for the admin team than discussing for years when saying the n-word is acceptable or not.cSeal wrote: do admins need to start getting out the skin tone chart to determine if someone is allowed to be offended when someone calls them a nigger or something? How do you even know no black person playing at the time was offended? even admins can't know that, because there's a stigma against ahelping in general- its very possible that someone was annoyed or offended by what you said but they just didnt bring it up to admins.
I have always thought that no victim means no crime. Who are the rules created for? The players or the admins? This is the question you should ask for yourself.cSeal wrote: its much easier to create a blanket rule of "dont do this lads" then to sus out each time the validity of each scenario and even then only if someone ahelps it first
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
[youtube]XpJEg6MTPzc[/youtube]NoxVS wrote:I’m glad we agree, so you have no problem with being told not to say the n-word then right?Flatulent wrote:I haven’t mentioned that I am being oppressed once.NoxVS wrote:Ironic, coming from someone complaining he is being oppressed because he isn't allowed to insult people with the n-wordFlatulent wrote:Perhaps one day we could range ban americans and british from Terry so I won’t have to deal with internet warriors looking for oppression where there is none.
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
dont say stuff you dont intend to hold to because people will make you hold to itFlatulent wrote:its probably the last time im posting here anyway let me be
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
I'd prefer no one gets banned or noted for something that's avoidable- we should not have a system where something is okay until someone decides they take issue with it and can then get you fucking bonked, which is why I think trying to shepherd the server towards simply not saying this shit as an insult is the best move. YOU might be okay with getting away with something until suddenly, oh you said it to the wrong guy and got fucked for it, but I don't think most people would be fine with thatFlatulent wrote: In this case it’s not a blanket ban and I get to choose when to use it as an insult. If the person is rightfully offended over this, they’re free to ahelp me as it happens now. But jannies taking the initiative into their own hands and going full thoughtcrime secret police? Spare me of that shit.
We can't really do much about that- the only tools we have at our disposal to shape player culture are to act as examples and to create and enforce rules. We don't have public notes, so we can't really do anything in that regard besides telling people to ahelps and thats ineffectiveFlatulent wrote:If there’s a stigma against ahelping when rule breaks happen, I’d say that is a higher priority for the admin team than discussing for years when saying the n-word is acceptable or not.
"No one made a stink about it" doesn't always mean no one was bothered by it, which is another reason why I'm in favor of being proactive.Flatulent wrote:I have always thought that no victim means no crime.
Im having a hard time understanding what your point here is- are you saying that the old rule 11 was better, that no rule 11 was better, or that an alternate route should've been taken?Flatulent wrote:Should the rule be easier and more reasonable to follow for players or should it be easier to enforce for admins.
im actually retarded so this is a rule 12 violationFlatulent wrote:listen retard its fresh drama i can’t pass up on that
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
So you would really rather leave than just stop saying a few words? Like is censorship that important to you or do you just not enjoy the community enough anymore and it’s the last straw. What initially brought you here in the first place?Flatulent wrote:please quote it
i said this is the last time im posting here meaning after this is over im requesting a permaban
Black people don't use the n-word with a hard R as a pejorative when trying to insult random people but thanks for trying. Please take your /pol/-tier stupidity elsewhere.Omni wrote:Stick it up to jannies, claim that you identify as black person. They can't disprove it, because any attempt at that is, by default, bigoted, they can't attempt to gaslight minorty. It's not cultural appropriation either since that's the case when you employ bits of others' culture while identifying as white. If anything Chassids on social media have repeatedly proven that you can switch that identification at will and it can't be questioned either. Depriving you of your nword privilledges as black person would be actual cultural opression.
If they resort to disregarding your identity mumbo jumbo (like entire world should have longest time ago), you can more than likely retort by rallying up peop- no, that's wrong, denizens of resetera or some other capital S shithole, and then it's free game.
how integral to your personality is saying the n-word that you have to leave the server rather than just not say itFlatulent wrote:what i meant is that this poorly worded rule situation will definetly repeat at some point and old rule 11 gave de facto carte blanche for admins to enforce as they please with only headmins being able to rule on appeals. this made admins’ life easier at the expense of everyone else except in the very rare cases when the banning admin got a slap on the face for being a bitch
taking months and years to clarify on basic things in respect to new rule changes shouldn’t happen and if mso wants a rule perhaps its best he discusses how to word it better with headmins first.
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
The closest example that comes to my tired mind, from the media.Anuv wrote: Black people don't use the n-word with a hard R as a pejorative when trying to insult random people but thanks for trying. Please take your /pol/-tier stupidity elsewhere.
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