Based Oranges Take

[Kendrickorium]

on finally fixing the fire alarms to not be annoying pieces of shit anymore:

"I don't agree with this change, minor inconveniences are a necessary part of simulating player agency (by putting obstacles in their way).

If you go around removing or shortening any minor inconveniences because as an experienced player you've dealt with them many times and they're starting to bore you you're actually harming the feeling of player agency and disconnecting yourself further from the game.

This kind of QoL development is an actively harmful way of contributing to the project."

nah i'm kidding youre dumb

[Capsandi]

oranges is right, firelocks are good(and now their alarm is cool)
the issue is air moves too fast
thats my story and im sticking with it

[Rohen_Tahir]

[Pandarsenic]

Love having to get a crowbar at the start of every round for when fire locks inevitably render the station otherwise unnavigable.

[cacogen]

He doesn't have the perspective necessary to realise how widespread the lockdowns are, how long they last for and how often it happens. Most of them go unfixed. Making it so only the firelocks facing the breach activate instead of activating the firelocks in an entire area because the atmosphere on one fire alarm tile is less than -3 celsius a far saner approach.

The only problem seems to be that because the temperature on the firelock's tile is now what activates them and firelocks prevent the atmos on their tile from mixing with adjacent tiles, they never deactivate. They have to be lifted manually, and you can't know if the resulting temperature on their tiles will be high enough to prevent them immediately reactivating. It would be better if firelocks looked at the temperatures of the open tiles adjacent to them.

[Bawhoppennn]

oranges is 800% right about the actual point, however I do recognize oranges might not realize how bothersome firelocks are now with the fastmos change. they used to be an impediment/obstacle you needed to deal with, which was good, but nowadays they're a pain with how often they activate, and for doing so perpetually

[GamerAndYeahMick]

dude one tile breach in fucking chem means the whole station is glowing red and on covid quarantine lockdown, you literally can't even play the game anymore, it's not just something that you need to overcome it's something that many times you CAN'T overcome unless you powergame a stupid crowbar shift start, having them be actually down only in the useful places is still a fucking obstacle anyway

[AnonymousForumUser]

When the firelocks are down people end up accidentally crowbarring the tiles under and next to it. There's also blood splatters from people getting themselves crushed, which creates bloody footsteps from all the people walking through it. Cleaning all of this up and having to get under the firelocks is such a pain when every firelock in the entire main hallway is closed. Even if you keep at it and clean all of it, it never feels clean because of the emergency lighting.
OH AND THE FIRELOCKS CAN ALSO COCKBLOCK YOU FROM CLEANING IN OPTIMAL 3x3 PATCHES

[YBS]

You roll late into your shift. You flip a coin:

You run to your station and play.
OR
There are a minimum of 8 firelocks between you and your post. You have no crowbar. You scream for help over the radio but comms is down. You put your lips to your emergency oxygen can and turn the handle.

Iron rod should let you do a slower version of opening airlocks. That's the most soft hand fix I can think of that makes sense. Give the hulk a captains medal for punching through the center of every firelock.

[Farquaar]

I would prefer that firelocks be adjusted to better respond to atmos problems than make them openable by hand. If they're openable by hand, they might as well not exist.

For one, they're way too sensitive to temperature. On Icebox, a chilly breeze will put the entire central hallway loop on lockdown. If the station is too chilly, light a bonfire and put on a jacket. Firelocks on Icebox solve a fun problem while introducing a boring one. Imagine a group of spacemen huddling around the burning remains of a poker table for warmth versus "oh, guess I gotta bring a space heater to every locked-down zone".

With respect to air pressure, it's a bit more complicated. But a temperature fix would be a great start.

[Itseasytosee2me]

I would prefer that firelocks be adjusted to better respond to atmos problems than make them openable by hand. If they're openable by hand, they might as well not exist.

For one, they're way too sensitive to temperature. On Icebox, a chilly breeze will put the entire central hallway loop on lockdown. If the station is too chilly, light a bonfire and put on a jacket. Firelocks on Icebox solve a fun problem while introducing a boring one. Imagine a group of spacemen huddling around the burning remains of a poker table for warmth versus "oh, guess I gotta bring a space heater to every locked-down zone".

With respect to air pressure, it's a bit more complicated. But a temperature fix would be a great start.

We could also perhaps add an automatic temperature regulation element to scrubbers when the air is otherwise ideal. Because the current atmos installations on the station not being able to handle a slight chill have always been weird to me, seems a bit under budget that the state of the air space station can't handle anything more than Co2 from breathing or a water vapor spill.

[cacogen]

For one, they're way too sensitive to temperature.

Yeah, it's literally below -3 celsius on any fire alarm tile in an area that will send it into lockdown. Someone tried adjusting it to something more reasonable in a PR early last year but it was shot down.

[YBS]

After spending an entire round essentially locked in a funny red door box (space lag kept me from moving before opened doors closed again) it would be awesome if literally anything was done differently than it is now.

[sinfulbliss]

Very enlightened take, not gonna lie.

However counterpoint: firelocks are pretty aids and were not always this way. Before fastmos they only locked when they needed to, now they lock long before any hazardous environment exists in a room.

[cacogen]

New firelocks are kind of hit and miss. Having to reset them at the panel over and over again until they clear is a pain. I'm sure the average player appreciates that there's less of them active now though.

[iwishforducks]

fun fact: you can permanently disable a fire alarm by screwdriving and applying a multitool to them. (and also reset them back to being on by using the multitool again)

[cacogen]

I wonder what that does now, given they're no longer set off by fire alarms in the area detecting extreme temperatures on their tiles but by the firelocks themselves detecting extreme temperatures on their tiles.

[Bawhoppennn]

fun fact: you can permanently disable a fire alarm by screwdriving and applying a multitool to them. (and also reset them back to being on by using the multitool again)

I recently learned you could weld them open as well (how long have I been playing and just now learned this?)

Unfortunately though borgs and the AI will lose their minds if you weld them open

[cacogen]

Disabling the thermal sensor of fire alarms with a multitool seems to be broken. That, or it's no longer done with simply a screwdriver and a multitool and I couldn't figure out the right combination of tools to do it with.

[iwishforducks]

You have to disable ALL of the fire alarms in an area in order to shut off the fire alarm system of an area.

[cacogen]

I've said so many times in this thread that the way that they work has changed and explained in infinite detail how it's changed. Not being able to turn off the thermal sensor now is a bug.

[oranges]

thank you kendrick

[Shadowflame909]

I hate suffercode

[mindstormy]

Very enlightened take, not gonna lie.

However counterpoint: firelocks are pretty aids and were not always this way. Before fastmos they only locked when they needed to, now they lock long before any hazardous environment exists in a room.

On a space station, in literal space, that is kind of the point.

[Vekter]

I agree with oranges for once. I'm all for improving certain things, but if you're explicitly trying to remove stuff that creates challenge, you're kinda missing the point.

[TheFinalPotato]

It's alright, if it ever gets too easy I can just buff space

[Shadowflame909]

It's alright, if it ever gets too easy I can just buff space

The space danger can be tested by breaking out of perma and space walking to the nearest airlock.

If you survive easily, then space needs to be buffed

If you die immediately, then space needs to be nerfed.

If you barely make it/crit-slide into the airlock. Then it is balanced just fine.

[cacogen]

^

[Jonathan Gupta]

It's alright, if it ever gets too easy I can just buff space

The space danger can be tested by breaking out of perma and space walking to the nearest airlock.

If you survive easily, then space needs to be buffed

If you die immediately, then space needs to be nerfed.

If you barely make it/crit-slide into the airlock. Then it is balanced just fine.

please I can get in there perfect with almost crit walk to medbay wink at the doctor and go down disposals.