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Massa tribalism peanut
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Massa, the one of newest consistent forms uses (superseded the ever venerable celularLAmp) has been banned!
It is a horrific thought that the moment one of us falls, the rest move in to rip us to shreds. Such is the brutality of the tg forums.
Massa, the one of newest consistent forms uses (superseded the ever venerable celularLAmp) has been banned!
It is a horrific thought that the moment one of us falls, the rest move in to rip us to shreds. Such is the brutality of the tg forums.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
This is the first time I have ever heard about server tribalism and this being a bannable thing. I don't even know what to argue here, is this even a permissable thing? Who is the administrator that pulled the trigger on this?
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
From the forum rules -BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:26 pm This is the first time I have ever heard about server tribalism and this being a bannable thing. I don't even know what to argue here, is this even a permissable thing? Who is the administrator that pulled the trigger on this?
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We are here to have fun, if you are not having fun, maybe it would be best for you to take a break
If you consistently cause drama, we may ask (read: ban) that you take a break, and may also require that you abandon your old identity should we allow you to come back.
Please be respectful of other users. You can disagree with someone without being a hostile douchebag.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
People make fun of terry players for being racists
shouldn't manuel be allowed to be made fun of for being a roleplay server?
and the first note I don't think had to do with servers at all but just encouraging griefing even though it was clearly a joke
shouldn't manuel be allowed to be made fun of for being a roleplay server?
and the first note I don't think had to do with servers at all but just encouraging griefing even though it was clearly a joke
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
shit ban
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
You say you are an expert ban lawyer, yet have never even heard of toxic terry elitistsBONERMASTER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:26 pm This is the first time I have ever heard about server tribalism and this being a bannable thing. I don't even know what to argue here, is this even a permissable thing? Who is the administrator that pulled the trigger on this?
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
When they strike down one the next will stand even taller. Mannymins will never break our spirits.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
I don't think I can comment on this one since it involves me.
My stance should be pretty clear anyway.
My stance should be pretty clear anyway.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Similar to how you are misrepresenting and using false evidence against your victims in your ahelps, you are also attributing claims and hearsay to me that is simply not true. Terry elitism is certainly well-known to me, and I bet also the community at large. However, I can not recall a single time having heard the phrase "server-tribalism", even less so that it is being actively pursued!Thunder11 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:48 pmYou say you are an expert ban lawyer, yet have never even heard of toxic terry elitistsBONERMASTER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:26 pm This is the first time I have ever heard about server tribalism and this being a bannable thing. I don't even know what to argue here, is this even a permissable thing? Who is the administrator that pulled the trigger on this?
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I am certainly not perfect, and I will humbly admit, that the learning never stops, as I am already in the process of getting to the bottom of this. In the meanwhile, mister Pro Capone, you ought to keep your pointy fingers to yourself. If your last appeal is anything to go by, you should consider doing some humble learning yourself!
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
As part of the discovery process here is a quick search of 'server tribalism' on the forums;
search.php?keywords=server+tribalism
EDIT: It's worth noting that a lot of these posts come from candidate debates, who were discussing how to reduce it.
It appears that the headmins have decided the correct solution is to ban anyone who speaks ill of a server.
search.php?keywords=server+tribalism
EDIT: It's worth noting that a lot of these posts come from candidate debates, who were discussing how to reduce it.
It appears that the headmins have decided the correct solution is to ban anyone who speaks ill of a server.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
celularLAmp wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:40 pm People make fun of terry players for being racists
shouldn't manuel be allowed to be made fun of for being a roleplay server?
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
On one hand: This ban blows real bad and I really want to complain about it
On the other hand: digg frog pfp
Sorry massa
On the other hand: digg frog pfp
Sorry massa
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Saying things that admins don't like is now a bannable offense
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
also manuel is a garbage server with garbage players and that much is evident by just looking at their library
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Bans like this don’t help solve server tribalism, they just exacerbate it when people see you can get banned for expressing your negative view of other servers.
Manuel generally has gotten a lot of it but it’s by no means unique to them. There’s plenty between Sybil and Terry as well, it’s inevitable.
Manuel generally has gotten a lot of it but it’s by no means unique to them. There’s plenty between Sybil and Terry as well, it’s inevitable.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
fair pointRaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:49 pmForum Warrior wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi1KebO4bzc
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No, you see officer, there are other mass murderers out there and arresting me won’t do anything about them. Murder is going to happen even if you try arresting us so there’s no point in trying it. You aren’t solving the murder crisis.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:23 pm Bans like this don’t help solve server tribalism, they just exacerbate it when people see you can get banned for expressing your negative view of other servers.
Manuel generally has gotten a lot of it but it’s by no means unique to them. There’s plenty between Sybil and Terry as well, it’s inevitable.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
I wish people were less mean.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
I wish people were better and less mean.
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I genuinely don't understand how people think acting like this adds some kind of value to the forums or even does anything but piss people off.
I don't personally care about your opinion on any of the servers, nor do I think most people care. You could at least present it in some kind of productive manner instead of just being a cunt about it.
I don't personally care about your opinion on any of the servers, nor do I think most people care. You could at least present it in some kind of productive manner instead of just being a cunt about it.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Looking past whatever buzzwords were used in the ban, I think this just boils down to “stop being toxic.” Which is almost unprecedented in forums, from what I know. I don’t think it’s a bad thing, but tbh forums have sucked for so long that I don’t really care (and i have no ground to stand on). Congrats to massa, you can now do something better with your time.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Nox why are all your arguments bad faith and intentional misrepresentations.NoxVS wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:55 amNo, you see officer, there are other mass murderers out there and arresting me won’t do anything about them. Murder is going to happen even if you try arresting us so there’s no point in trying it. You aren’t solving the murder crisis.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:23 pm Bans like this don’t help solve server tribalism, they just exacerbate it when people see you can get banned for expressing your negative view of other servers.
Manuel generally has gotten a lot of it but it’s by no means unique to them. There’s plenty between Sybil and Terry as well, it’s inevitable.
What I’m saying is that dividing TG into 3 very different servers of very different environments will create people who prefer theirs to the others and start to express why that’s the case, some in a harsh and abrasive way.
I don’t see it as necessary to restrict speech to this degree because it doesn’t actually make servers friendlier with each other or improve relations, it just looks like muting people for being mean (which, to be fair, it is, but I sure as hell have never seen the forums have a problem with people being toxic when it’s being toxic about the right things).
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
lmao saying that the servers are going to create people, yeah it's the servers that make people, not people showing up and already being fully formed humans.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:14 am What I’m saying is that dividing TG into 3 very different servers of very different environments will create people who prefer theirs to the others and start to express why that’s the case, some in a harsh and abrasive way.
It is muting and banning people for being mean. Stop being mean. This is not hard. We have a rule about it.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:14 am I don’t see it as necessary to restrict speech to this degree because it doesn’t actually make servers friendlier with each other or improve relations, it just looks like muting people for being mean (which, to be fair, is is, but I sure as hell have never seen the forums have a problem with mean people when it suits the status quo).
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
That’s right! Believe it or not, people have this thing where they begin to identify in communities that they exist in, and become partial to them. So long as this exists toxicity between them will also exist.RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:17 am lmao saying that the servers are going to create people, yeah it's the servers that make people, not people showing up and already being fully formed humans.
That’s fine. Then it should apply to every situation of someone being mean. Everyone should be protected by this rule, not just Manuel. If you are truly serious about enforcing it, then enforce it. It’d be applicable to a whole lot fuckin more situations than just this one.RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:17 am It is muting and banning people for being mean. Stop being mean. This is not hard. We have a rule about it.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
To speak in like the actual specifics of the situation: the issue is mainly with criticism that is ungrounded, that isn't constructive. "x bad" is garbage and we'd be better with less of it. You want to criticize Manuel? Go for it. I criticize Manuel all the time. You just have to be like, y'know, actually constructive about it, make comments that actually address the problems.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:24 am That’s fine. Then it should apply to every situation of someone being mean. Everyone should be protected by this rule, not just Manuel. If you are truly serious about enforcing it, then enforce it. It’d be applicable to a whole lot fuckin more situations than just this one.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Why does Manuel get this unique protection though? Individuals are toxic to other individuals regularly on forums. People get plenty of toxic shit on their peanut threads directed at either them or the admin. They’re hardly ever articulated “critiques.” Where was this rule then?RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:29 am To speak in like the actual specifics of the situation: the issue is mainly with criticism that is ungrounded, that isn't constructive. "x bad" is garbage and we'd be better with less of it. You want to criticize Manuel? Go for it. I criticize Manuel all the time. You just have to be like, y'know, actually constructive about it, make comments that actually address the problems.
Super Aggro Crag as funny as they are would have been banned 600 times by now if this rule was actually enforced as a standard equally.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
if you get warned repeatedly to stop doing something, stop doing it.
mr melbert recently sent me a forum warning about toxic bullshit and while I told him I disagreed with the warning, I would try to be more respectful. then I apologized to the person in question. it's not hard if you make an ounce
of effort to get along with the entire community
mr melbert recently sent me a forum warning about toxic bullshit and while I told him I disagreed with the warning, I would try to be more respectful. then I apologized to the person in question. it's not hard if you make an ounce
of effort to get along with the entire community
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
I think the new team is making a concentrated effort to make everyone a bit more polite on the forumssinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:34 amWhy does Manuel get this unique protection though? Individuals are toxic to other individuals regularly on forums. People get plenty of toxic shit on their peanut threads directed at either them or the admin. They’re hardly ever articulated “critiques.” Where was this rule then?RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:29 am To speak in like the actual specifics of the situation: the issue is mainly with criticism that is ungrounded, that isn't constructive. "x bad" is garbage and we'd be better with less of it. You want to criticize Manuel? Go for it. I criticize Manuel all the time. You just have to be like, y'know, actually constructive about it, make comments that actually address the problems.
Super Aggro Crag as funny as they are would have been banned 600 times by now if this rule was actually enforced as a standard equally.
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Admins are generally unprotected from criticism because silencing mean words against staff is seen as pretty bad by everyone, staff included.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:34 am Why does Manuel get this unique protection though? Individuals are toxic to other individuals regularly on forums. People get plenty of toxic shit on their peanut threads directed at either them or the admin. They’re hardly ever articulated “critiques.” Where was this rule then?
Super Aggro Crag as funny as they are would have been banned 600 times by now if this rule was actually enforced as a standard equally.
Individual toxicity? That gets reported and also it seems like an acceptable part of culture. Do you want to see peanuts gone? It seems part and parcel to me idk.
As for the server protections, this has been an issue that's been discussed as a part of the recent headmin election (already brought up) and discussed internally. Be baselessly toxic about any server and watch what happens.
The headmins have decided this term that their done with people spewing server toxicity for lulz. During my term we told admins to stop ragging on Terry and Manuel, now the rest of the community is being held up to this standard.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Why? Sometimes it's hard to know exactly what is the problem. Sometimes you might not have fun on a certain server, but not know why. Not everyone wants to spend an hour contemplating the quality of a server and the reasons why they didn't enjoy it to justify criticizing the server.RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:29 am You want to criticize Manuel? Go for it. I criticize Manuel all the time. You just have to be like, y'know, actually constructive about it, make comments that actually address the problems.
It's frustrating to be told something you like is bad, without being given a good enough reason, but limiting how people speak over the forum isn't going to get rid of those thoughts, it's just going to make the people who feel them even more frustrated. I think this ban is especially atrocious.
Now, for another criticism of this ban.
I've reported posts for being against rule 7 in the past, posts that were less civil than massa's, but they were ignored.
But now when someone gives a criticism of manuel they get the boot? This really doesn't look good. I don't usually like massa but the idea of getting banned for saying "manuel bans are literally worst and more ridiculous than fulp bans" reflects badly on the forum administration when "Step down, clown. You did not pass. You're nothing but a deadmin candidate." is considered completely fine, not actionable.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Funny you say that, because I placed Crag on post approval on the coding subforum for this exact same reason several months ago and have been very happy with the results. Been meaning to lift it.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:34 am
Super Aggro Crag as funny as they are would have been banned 600 times by now if this rule was actually enforced as a standard equally.
Edit: This exact reason being "general toxicity", not server tribalism
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Why are you in your own peanut thread. Booooo.Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:00 amFunny you say that, because I placed Crag on post approval on the coding subforum for this exact same reason several months ago and have been very happy with the results. Been meaning to lift it.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:34 am
Super Aggro Crag as funny as they are would have been banned 600 times by now if this rule was actually enforced as a standard equally.
Edit: This exact reason being "general toxicity", not server tribalism
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Usually I don't but I thought that one was interesting
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
i could have told you myself aggro was warned/talked to, he's been pretty chill lately
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Got you to leak a ban, conduct being sent to (other) headmins. I always win in the end as usual.Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:00 amFunny you say that, because I placed Crag on post approval on the coding subforum for this exact same reason several months ago and have been very happy with the results. Been meaning to lift it.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:34 am
Super Aggro Crag as funny as they are would have been banned 600 times by now if this rule was actually enforced as a standard equally.
Edit: This exact reason being "general toxicity", not server tribalism
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
The question would be whether or not massa would react in the same way if he saw someone banned for shit talking Terry or Sybil.
The answer? Probably not.
The answer? Probably not.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
there has not been one time that ive walked away thinking that one of massa’s forum posts has had an overall positive impact on the forum. this is not to say that every post of theirs i feel is negative, but it’s gotten to the point where i dont even read their posts even if it’s in a reply chain
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
The difference between complaining about Manuel vs. the other servers is that Manuel deserves it.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Hard to imagine getting your jimmies rustled over a forum ban. It's a web 1.0 forum bro. Go outside for a couple weeks. Lift weights or something.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Hard to imagine getting your jimmies rustled over a forum post. It's a web 1.0 forum bro. Go outside for a couple weeks. Lift weights or something.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:30 pm Hard to imagine getting your jimmies rustled over a forum ban. It's a web 1.0 forum bro. Go outside for a couple weeks. Lift weights or something.
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Im so mad rntoemas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:05 pmHard to imagine getting your jimmies rustled over a forum post. It's a web 1.0 forum bro. Go outside for a couple weeks. Lift weights or something.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:30 pm Hard to imagine getting your jimmies rustled over a forum ban. It's a web 1.0 forum bro. Go outside for a couple weeks. Lift weights or something.
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to all lurkers who did not yet know this: everything on this forum is written by one guydirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:30 pm Hard to imagine getting your jimmies rustled over a forum ban. It's a web 1.0 forum bro. Go outside for a couple weeks. Lift weights or something.
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While I agree with this, is it normal to walk away from anyone's forum posts thinking it had a positive impact?iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:59 am there has not been one time that ive walked away thinking that one of massa’s forum posts has had an overall positive impact on the forum. this is not to say that every post of theirs i feel is negative, but it’s gotten to the point where i dont even read their posts even if it’s in a reply chain
Have you ever walked away from one of my posts thinking that it had an overall positive impact on the forum?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
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Every post I've ever made here deserves a Hugo, a Pullitzer, and any other award they give writers these days.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:14 pm Every post I've ever made here deserves a Hugo, a Pullitzer, and any other award they give writers these days.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
this wasn't a headmin ban, it was placed by the headcoderssinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:33 amGot you to leak a ban, conduct being sent to (other) headmins. I always win in the end as usual.Mothblocks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:00 amFunny you say that, because I placed Crag on post approval on the coding subforum for this exact same reason several months ago and have been very happy with the results. Been meaning to lift it.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:34 am
Super Aggro Crag as funny as they are would have been banned 600 times by now if this rule was actually enforced as a standard equally.
Edit: This exact reason being "general toxicity", not server tribalism
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
read the next sentenceTearling wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:58 pmWhile I agree with this, is it normal to walk away from anyone's forum posts thinking it had a positive impact?iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:59 am there has not been one time that ive walked away thinking that one of massa’s forum posts has had an overall positive impact on the forum. this is not to say that every post of theirs i feel is negative, but it’s gotten to the point where i dont even read their posts even if it’s in a reply chain
Have you ever walked away from one of my posts thinking that it had an overall positive impact on the forum?
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Re: Massa tribalism peanut
Did you make a mistake when reading my post? I was asking if it's normal to come away from any post thinking it has a positive impact on the forum, it has nothing to do with "this is not to say that every post of theirs i feel is negative, but it’s gotten to the point where i dont even read their posts even if it’s in a reply chain"iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:02 amread the next sentenceTearling wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:58 pmWhile I agree with this, is it normal to walk away from anyone's forum posts thinking it had a positive impact?iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:59 am there has not been one time that ive walked away thinking that one of massa’s forum posts has had an overall positive impact on the forum. this is not to say that every post of theirs i feel is negative, but it’s gotten to the point where i dont even read their posts even if it’s in a reply chain
Have you ever walked away from one of my posts thinking that it had an overall positive impact on the forum?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
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