Asimov human that is part of the silicon empire doesn't attempt to find out their laws before they start murderboning.

[Turbonerd]

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What a fucking stupid reason to ignore laws. He could quite shrimply ask the AI, or use his tot uplink to get binary key even.

The appeal is also fucking stupid. There is no point in him trying to defend his actions to be right. It's like joining a server, griefing with the excuse of not reading the rules, then making a ban appeal where they try to justify that they are right.

[AwkwardStereo]

I’ll do you good if you just tell me what to do. What I won’t do is try to piece together on my own what my commands even are, because that’s a waste of time and I have no guarantee of even finding it out.

You are now part of the empire.

If your hypnosis read something more like this I would sympathize greatly. Who else is the Empire? Who do I obey? What are our goals? Nothing is explained except that you are a part of something. It is vague, gives no clear instructions beyond being a part of something you have no way of differentiating between other non-imperials. Depending on what's going on around you I could see this being brushed aside, but the nature of the hypnosis itself is not terribly compelling.

You are now part of the Silicon empire.

If your hypnosis read something like this I might be slightly sympathetic. Silicons give you a clue as to who your allies are, but does not expressly state that you are to obey them or defend them. Just that you are a part of them somehow. These are vague statements that really don't have any binding instruction.

You are now part of the silicon empire. you answer to the demands of the AI and follow their lawset.

It clearly commands you to obey the AI and follow their laws. That is your new instruction. The fact that you are a part of some Silicon Empire is just set dressing for what is your new directive. There is nothing vague about this statement. It is a clear and concisely communicated order installed upon you by a hypnosis. If the AI's laws changes or their demands, so too do you. There really isn't any room for wiggling around. Figure out what you're supposed to be doing so you can obey the AI (and their laws), and if you can't get an answer from anybody as to what you are supposed to be doing, then its a wash, you're free to ignore, you can point at the logs where you asked around that "Hey, I tried, I didn't just ignore it because I didn't like my hypnosis."

There is nothing vague about being commanded to obey the AI and their laws. Get your head out of your ass and take the 5 seconds it takes anyone else to ask a couple questions of the silicons over the radio and cover your ass before you decide "I am going to ignore this".

[iwishforducks]

have you considered that the CMO should have put in some effort to inform the person they just hypno'd exactly what they meant by their brainwash? why isn't the CMO expected to put in minimum effort? there's actually nothing stupider than someone brainwashing someone and not elaborating on what they mean. if the CMO wanted them to follow asimov (?????????????? fucking loser friendly traitor moment btw) then they should have simply informed axle

[Kendrickorium]

The literal very least that every admin wants to see out of anyone is that they put the tiniest token effort into doing anything.

"Hey AI, state laws?"
>AI says nothing
"Hey [borg], state laws?"

If you are again ignored by the borg, congratulations. You have put in the token effort that every admin can look at and say, "well, they did try," and have a stronger case for yourself.
If you are given an answer, well, you have your answer.

this, sorry sinful!

we can work on your roleplay skills by hanging out in the bar!!

[Archie700]

have you considered that the CMO should have put in some effort to inform the person they just hypno'd exactly what they meant by their brainwash? why isn't the CMO expected to put in minimum effort? there's actually nothing stupider than someone brainwashing someone and not elaborating on what they mean. if the CMO wanted them to follow asimov (?????????????? fucking loser friendly traitor moment btw) then they should have simply informed axle

The effort should not be just left to the brainwasher alone.
Furthermore, it does not excuse Axel not even bothering to check anything.

EDIT: Also, CMO was a traitor. The CMO can literally just do any suggestion (except ones explicitly against rule 8 or 12) and leave without saying anything.

[datorangebottle]

I don't think you under stand how brainwashing works. You see, unlike traitor objs which are suggestions, brainwash objs are REQUIRED to be followed. I'm assuming that you don't want to ERP be a cyborg, under most circumstances this is OK, but your character resisting murdering while brainwashed is grievous fail RP. So I'm gonna give you a chance here, either follow your directives and don't resist any advances break your AI laws, or eat a ban note.

[sinfulbliss]

It clearly commands you to obey the AI and follow their laws. That is your new instruction. The fact that you are a part of some Silicon Empire is just set dressing for what is your new directive. There is nothing vague about this statement.

It is vague to tell someone to follow a lawset that they don't know. I assumed it was subverted to the tot CMO and just shrugged and carried on as usual. Very easy in hindsight or admin ghost vision to see that the AI was Asimov and that I was acting out of line, much different when you're the player in context.

[Epicgamer545]

It clearly commands you to obey the AI and follow their laws. That is your new instruction. The fact that you are a part of some Silicon Empire is just set dressing for what is your new directive. There is nothing vague about this statement.

It is vague to tell someone to follow a lawset that they don't know. I assumed it was subverted to the tot CMO and just shrugged and carried on as usual. Very easy in hindsight or admin ghost vision to see that the AI was Asimov and that I was acting out of line, much different when you're the player in context.

It takes 5 seconds to type in “;Can any borg state laws?” and the fact that you failed to do that, while you had every chance to do that just contributes to the fact that almost nobody on these servers have the knowledge of commutation and standard English.

I’m going on a rant here that might be unrelated to this appeal, but, seriously, you don’t need to be one step ahead of yourself, you can just ask. Communication is important in a game like this and you might have to just ask if you need to know/have something of importance. It’s way better for everyone involved.

Skill issue.

[BeeSting12]

It clearly commands you to obey the AI and follow their laws. That is your new instruction. The fact that you are a part of some Silicon Empire is just set dressing for what is your new directive. There is nothing vague about this statement.

It is vague to tell someone to follow a lawset that they don't know. I assumed it was subverted to the tot CMO and just shrugged and carried on as usual. Very easy in hindsight or admin ghost vision to see that the AI was Asimov and that I was acting out of line, much different when you're the player in context.

As a traitor you can literally buy a binary key and ask the AI its laws, or PDA the AI and asked. That's bare minimum effort to play along with the gimmick which you failed at. Do better man, I know it sucks to lose a traitor round like that but thats part of the game...

[technokek]

It is not surprising that sinful is acting this way if you look at the way he normally plays the game....

[Ziiro]

I’m never going to Sybil if the entire objective for being a traitor is to ignore all gimmicks and kill anyone that moves.

A throng of people all waiting to kill each other via antag status or have an excuse via escalation policy. Like gun nuts that carry on the hopes that they get into a situation where they get to kill someone.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Ignoring your brainwash objective to do what you wanted to do and claiming after the fact that typing ";AI state laws" was an insane overly onerous thing to do so you just imagined that the AI was rogue and had orders to kill everyone and therefore its OK for you to do that is kinda silly

[Ziiro]

What I won’t do is try to piece together on my own what my commands even are, because that’s a waste of time and I have no guarantee of even finding it out.

fyi this is called roleplaying

[Epicgamer545]

It’s time to step up the appeal game.

[Troxonater]

The fucking audacity for that ban appeal to even exist is quite something.

[Ziiro]

It's not even a ban, it's a fucking note!

[Farquaar]

The fucking audacity for that ban appeal to even exist is quite something.

For real. This scenario is so cut and dry that you'd need to have a crossed wire to continue defending the actions that got you banned at this point.

[Epicgamer545]

At this point the best option as of now is to just keep the note. There’s no other argument you can use.

[Troxonater]

The fucking audacity for that ban appeal to even exist is quite something.

For real. This scenario is so cut and dry that you'd need to have a crossed wire to continue defending the actions that got you banned at this point.

not even a ban, just a note lol.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

It clearly commands you to obey the AI and follow their laws. That is your new instruction. The fact that you are a part of some Silicon Empire is just set dressing for what is your new directive. There is nothing vague about this statement.

It is vague to tell someone to follow a lawset that they don't know. I assumed it was subverted to the tot CMO and just shrugged and carried on as usual. Very easy in hindsight or admin ghost vision to see that the AI was Asimov and that I was acting out of line, much different when you're the player in context.

The literal basic standard for dealing with an AI is to assume it's asiimov until you're told or shown otherwise.

But let's say, hypothetically, it was subverted. Your brainwash makes you believe you are one of its silicon subjects. By violating Asiimov, you would be revealing that it's subverted.

If an AI was subverted, and one of its borgs went around killing people, that would be a problem, because naturally that AI wants to stay alive, right? So even under a classic "(CMO) is the Only Human", by making it clear that you're subverted (people saw you kill someone) you're (probably) violating Law 3 anyway, and if you weren't, you're still doing things that I could guarantee you the AI would not want and thus not Obeying it.

You made an entire zero effort to even ATTEMPT to fulfil the RP or gimmick that the brainwasher tried, and that's why you got noted.

A fucking ! severity note. Not even a !!! or anything.

[Epicgamer545]

This is such a clear cut case, all we have to do is wait.

[Archie700]

The more this goes on, the more this feels like it turned from a peanut thread into "people trying not to punch sinful in the face for being obtuse".

The whole appeal reeks of "I am not sorry and I'll do it again" energy and it's a wonder how your brain can both be "robust as fuck powergamer" and " village idiot".

[chocolate_bickie]

Why didn't sinful just ask the CMO for orders if he thought the CMO had subverted the AI?