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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33051They're both shitters, though I'd say serxule is not any ordinary shitter, but a giga shitter. It's a literal shit fest of shitters shitting on each other like chimpanzees.
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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33051I thought that being promoted to admin meant I was above the whole heart rate spike whenever you hear a bwoink go through, until all of the sudden I had a headmin sending me a discord message asking if I have a moment. Almost had a heart attack.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:18 pmyou have to defend your actions to nice people (VERY DIFFICULT) many of whom hold real tangible political power
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
Why shouldn't he take a shotgun of a dead cultist?Mice World wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:13 pm This seems like it would be more appropriate as a rule 12 ban and even that's pushing it.
Should Reider have shotgun on him? Probably not. Should the bartender then try to loot Reider while he is stunned? Absolutely not.
This could've been solved if the bartender spent more time talking with Reider instead of giving him broad orders and acting aggressively when he didn't follow them. Now the reason Reider was carrying the shogun is poor and it obviously breaks rule 12, but it's cult. As sec you kill or get killed, not really much you can do. You could argue that Reider should've tried communicating more as well and I'd agree with that. But, it's still on the bartender to try his best as the HoS has much bigger fish to fry.
In a game that is 80% communication it's kind of sad how aggressive everyone acts, I've dealt with so many rounds where a player decides to attack me instead of using their words to attempt to solve a simple conflict. Most fights could easily be resolved using basic communication instead of force. In this case the bartender should've just made it clear they wanted their shotgun back before trying to take it with force. If Reider refused the bartender could've then escalated but chances are if they used their words properly, Reider would have no reason to refuse.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
He should. But keeping it for personal use just because "it's better than the laser guns!" is playing to win. Now, personally I wouldn't take it but I understand why someone else would. As I said it's cult, not much you can do. If I was an admin I wouldn't ban someone for keeping the shotgun unless they had an extremely large amount of powergaming related notes.
Pffffff, if that is what constitutes powergaming nowadays.Mice World wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:36 pmHe should. But keeping it for personal use just "because it's better than the laser guns!" is playing to win. Now, personally I wouldn't take it but I understand why someone else would. As I said it's cult, not much you can do. If I was an admin I wouldn't ban someone for keeping the shotgun unless they had an extremely large amount of powergaming related notes.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
No matter how you look at it, it's powergaming. Does it really matter? No. People doing minor amounts of powergaming isn't really an issue. It only becomes an issue when all you do is play to win. I'm not saying Reider plays like this, I've only seen them twice. But I was trying to mention that the only good reason I could see an admin banning Reider here was if it was a rule 12 ban, because this seems like a textbook IC issue.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
If that's what you think powergaming is then sure!
But before you start calling me a sensitive loser/banbot wannabe, taking tools is powergaming but It doesn't matter. Taking them doesn't immediately hurt someone's round, but taking someone's personal belongings just so you have a higher chances of staying alive (The goal) is powergaming that does matter. In this case it's understandable. The station is filled with cultists and the HoS is worried about dying so he takes an upgrade. Nothing inherently wrong with that. It is powergaming but he has a good reason to do it. However, it also does hurt someone's round, remember that the bartender is also trying to stay alive and in this situation he needs his gun. This is where rule 12 becomes a little muddy because while you wouldn't ever ban the HoS for just taking the shotgun, if he constantly JUST plays to win without any care for the people he's hurting then you have a problem. If Reider is known to have a powergaming mindset (again not saying this is the case) then I could understand why an admin would take issue in him looting the gun for himself.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powergaming wrote: Powergaming (or power gaming or optimization) is a style of interacting with games or game-like systems, particularly video games, boardgames, and role-playing games, with the aim of maximizing progress towards a specific goal. Other players may consider this disruptive when done to the exclusion of all other considerations, such as storytelling, atmosphere and camaraderie. When focusing on the letter of the rules over the spirit of the rules, it is often seen as unsporting, un-fun, or unsociable. This behavior is most often found in games with a wide range of game features, lengthy campaigns or prize tournaments such as massively multiplayer or collectible games.
Reider didn't start any escalation because he stole something from an antagonist, which is an action fully protected by rule 4:NoxVS wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:30 amWhich is normally fine. A player randomly stunning you can be pretty easily treated as a lethal attack in the moment. You can't consider it to be a random attempt on your life when you actually did something to justify it. If you take something from someone, they are fully justified in stunning you to take it back. If you want to be able to consider stuns as lethal, then don't wrong people in such a way that they are justified in going after you.maskenary wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:47 pm This already escalated the conflict to an almost lethal, maybe even lethal one. This significantly reduces, and probably gets rid of my obligation to give it back. Stun batons are treated as lethal weapons due to their very strong ability to incapacitate someone.
Reider might be playing-to-win by taking a shotgun from a cultist and then using it for himself, we can all agree on this. But he's definitely NOT starting an escalation-type of conflict with a player by stealing it, when the aforementioned player was a cultist. He didn't wrong anybody, the shotgun was lost to the bartender and that's it. He was using it/carrying it when he was an antagonist and now that he isn't, he doesn't have it. He can try to get it if he gets deconverted, sure, but he's not entitled to it being returned to him, that's part of RULE 10. You can even replace the shotgun with any other desired item from another job/department, and it should follow the same logic (RD and a hand tele, CMO and the belt defib, a botanist and their gloves/nettle, etc). Yeah rule 10 is not just about "dying" or "losing", but things not going the way you'd like to, sometimes you just have to move on. If you lose an item when you die, you can't really expect to have it back if you manage to get revived, and hell, I say this doubles if you were an antagonist while you lost it.The Rules wrote: 4. Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Except metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.
Reidar had already tried to de-escalate by offering a laser as recompose for the shotgunAnd then this guy comes in and stunprods me out of nowhere, who might/was working with themCode: Select all
10:40:42 SAY Serxule/(Muffler) "reider give me back all my shit"
And off of that, they try to loot me, including my bagCode: Select all
10:40:47 ATTACK Tag114/(Andrew Davis) stun attacked Maskenary/(Reider Meza) with the stunprod (NEWHP: 78)
This is not cool and increased my reluctance to give them something by a lot, why would I want to return it if that happenedCode: Select all
10:40:51 ATTACK Serxule/(Muffler) is stripping Maskenary/(Reider Meza) of the sawn-off Super Shotgun. 10:40:51 ATTACK Serxule/(Muffler) is stripping Maskenary/(Reider Meza) of the leather satchel.
They were also quite rude about returning the shotgun
I had also not recieved any confirmation that they were deconverted yet, so it was still possible they could be dangerous. Medbay staff do often just revive crit/dead bodies without asking questions. Especially because their bag was not on them I think to show their dagger.
As conpensation for what I had taken, I offered a energy gun in exchange
Which is plenty enough for any self defense. If they clearly stated what they really needed the shotgun specifically for, I might have even given the shotgun back. I did not just want to rob this guy of everything.Code: Select all
10:42:51 SAY Maskenary/(Reider Meza) "ill trade it" 10:42:54 SAY Maskenary/(Reider Meza) "for a laser"
The thing is though, when you're able to deconvert, it's generally considered a Giga Shitter Move (and a rulebreak on MRP, is it also on LRP? I assume so, but if I'm not then I'll concede the point somewhat) because it's not exactly reasonable to hold someone's crimes against them that they committed while converted, or brainwashed. So while yeah, he's within his rights to loot a cultist and take the shotgun, and it's fine to use it. Hell he'd be within his rights to loot a dead Crew-aligned person and use it.
Killing cultists on LRP even if you can deconvert them is not against the rules.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:39 amand a rulebreak on MRP, is it also on LRP? I assume so, but if I'm not then I'll concede the point somewhat
did you hear that UAF's adding a new capital missile battleship?Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 4:35 am alright guys you are getting dangerously close to starsector time
this is your warning flag
play opus: echo of starsongSuper Aggro Crag wrote:This is what u get when u let people into your community
its been over a YEAR SINCE 0.95 WHERE IS THE NEXT UPDATEOmega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 4:03 pmdid you hear that UAF's adding a new capital missile battleship?Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 4:35 am alright guys you are getting dangerously close to starsector time
this is your warning flag
larger than the Purcellyra, which is already a capital, but smaller than their supercapitals
greater capital? Not sure what I'd call the middle of the pack like that.
the Vioceleste. Supposedly carries a MIRV nuclear weapon that's larger than the semibreve too, for whatever fucking reason. God knows the semibreve already is large enough and hits like a bus
oh
yeah
one more thing for the peanut
I found it really, really funny where people were asking scriptis why he resigned and then immediately saying "wtf why are u asking me when I'll admin up that shit's tough and unbearable have you seen the shit they have to do"
perhaps there's a connection
I wouldn't become an admin now if I knew how it was going to be
I sometimes feel bad about being a trainer because I bring people into this
join up today, make a difference
GODDAMNIT MOTH IT’S TOO LATE WHY HAVEN’T YOU TOLD ME THIS SOONEROmega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 4:03 pm I wouldn't become an admin now if I knew how it was going to be
I sometimes feel bad about being a trainer because I bring people into this
SOON MY FRIEND ITS GOTTA BE COMING YOU JUST GOTTA BELIEVE.Qbmax32 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 6:52 pmits been over a YEAR SINCE 0.95 WHERE IS THE NEXT UPDATEOmega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 4:03 pmdid you hear that UAF's adding a new capital missile battleship?Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 4:35 am alright guys you are getting dangerously close to starsector time
this is your warning flag
larger than the Purcellyra, which is already a capital, but smaller than their supercapitals
greater capital? Not sure what I'd call the middle of the pack like that.
the Vioceleste. Supposedly carries a MIRV nuclear weapon that's larger than the semibreve too, for whatever fucking reason. God knows the semibreve already is large enough and hits like a bus
oh
yeah
one more thing for the peanut
I found it really, really funny where people were asking scriptis why he resigned and then immediately saying "wtf why are u asking me when I'll admin up that shit's tough and unbearable have you seen the shit they have to do"
perhaps there's a connection
I wouldn't become an admin now if I knew how it was going to be
I sometimes feel bad about being a trainer because I bring people into this
join up today, make a difference
the Semibreve detonation literally *flings* missiles that weren't evaporated outwards from the blast, it's the funniest shit ever - they also make for great shrapnel against all targets (including yourself)Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:59 am FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET
play opus: echo of starsongSuper Aggro Crag wrote:This is what u get when u let people into your community
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
More than a few dramas in this community are blown out of proportion thanks to years-old comments made in metagroup Discord chats, I suspect.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:59 pm There's a lot of shitflinging back and forth over whether the griefer or the sec officer is the more obnoxious person but I genuinely have no clue why a ban was applied here, let alone a week roleban
i prefer overpowered beam weaponsOmega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:59 pmthe Semibreve detonation literally *flings* missiles that weren't evaporated outwards from the blast, it's the funniest shit ever - they also make for great shrapnel against all targets (including yourself)Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:59 am FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET
do not fire a billion missiles shortly after releasing the big one, you're going to shit yourself as you watch them all hit ~1000su/s in a shotgun-shaped blast wave towards you
have you tried the supercharged fusion beam from Superweapons ArsenalKendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:04 pmi prefer overpowered beam weaponsOmega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:59 pmthe Semibreve detonation literally *flings* missiles that weren't evaporated outwards from the blast, it's the funniest shit ever - they also make for great shrapnel against all targets (including yourself)Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:59 am FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET
do not fire a billion missiles shortly after releasing the big one, you're going to shit yourself as you watch them all hit ~1000su/s in a shotgun-shaped blast wave towards you
play opus: echo of starsongSuper Aggro Crag wrote:This is what u get when u let people into your community
i enjoy both those weaponsOmega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:49 pmhave you tried the supercharged fusion beam from Superweapons ArsenalKendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:04 pmi prefer overpowered beam weaponsOmega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:59 pmthe Semibreve detonation literally *flings* missiles that weren't evaporated outwards from the blast, it's the funniest shit ever - they also make for great shrapnel against all targets (including yourself)Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:59 am FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET
do not fire a billion missiles shortly after releasing the big one, you're going to shit yourself as you watch them all hit ~1000su/s in a shotgun-shaped blast wave towards you
despite being a hard flux 1250 energy/s I'd still call it balanced since its only 800 range and a fucking insanely painful 2000 flux/s (1.6 flux/dam on an energy weapon, fucking ow)
tho if you want overpowered overpowered grab the Gluon Lance from MVS that shits silly as fuck
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
You think there is stuff missing in the multiple pages of essays on what happened? And yes I am allowed to have an opinion on if rulings adhere to the actual rules like they have been for years.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
i mean yeah you can have wrong opinions, just dont whine about it
You were killed as cultist, Reider took your gun.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
yes because only 4 of the things you said are correctCPTANT wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:10 pm You were killed as cultist, Reider took your gun.
You were revived
You screamed at Reider to give the gun back
Some dude stunned Reider and you try to take the gun but failed
Later you stun Reider with a batton
Reider stuns you back
You tell them to actually kill themself (Which honestly should have netted you a ban, because to me this feels like an OOC insult, not an IC one)
You take the shotgun back
Reider chases you
You try to shoot Reider
Reider retaliates and crits you
You succumb and whine to admins
Do you think this is inaccurate?
Well what happened according to you then?serxule wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:11 pmyes because only 4 of the things you said are correctCPTANT wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:10 pm You were killed as cultist, Reider took your gun.
You were revived
You screamed at Reider to give the gun back
Some dude stunned Reider and you try to take the gun but failed
Later you stun Reider with a batton
Reider stuns you back
You tell them to actually kill themself (Which honestly should have netted you a ban, because to me this feels like an OOC insult, not an IC one)
You take the shotgun back
Reider chases you
You try to shoot Reider
Reider retaliates and crits you
You succumb and whine to admins
Do you think this is inaccurate?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
lets see...
Suuuuuuuure. You didn't just say "kills yourself" you emphasized it with "ACTUALLY".oh and i forgot to add, telling someone to kill themselves is not bannable because we literally have suicide as a mechanic ingame, me saying "actually kill yourself" is me saying to use the suicide verb, and not just using "kill yourself" as an insult
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
because this is what i've always done, sorry that im not offensive enoughCPTANT wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:28 pm That's literally the same thing except you only got crit instead of dying at the start.
Suuuuuuuure. You didn't just say "kills yourself" you emphasized it with "ACTUALLY".oh and i forgot to add, telling someone to kill themselves is not bannable because we literally have suicide as a mechanic ingame, me saying "actually kill yourself" is me saying to use the suicide verb, and not just using "kill yourself" as an insult
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