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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33169In the end, they'll still slap you with a permanent mark that is already incredibly difficult to appeal on it's own and completely impossible in our biased banana court system, where the same admin that incriminated you gets to determine the conditions of your release. That's why there will be an entire thread (or series) about dealing with these exact kind of admins, so you can have the power to lawfully tell them to go fuck themselves and walk away without any charges.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:17 pmive noticed this too. admins will backpedal on the worst administrative decision ever seen in the 21st century by going "ok how about i lift your 10 day ban for slipping sec and just leave you with a note " and littletimmy123 who wants to play spessmans again will gobble it up and give praise for "benevolence" without even so much as an apology for overreacting.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:30 pm Gotta say its pretty cringe the recent trend of admins realising their ban was hot garbage and negotiating the ban reason down to "Did nothing wrong but admits he was in the wrong because I have the power to reject him entirely if he doesnt and subject him to yet more tedious online rules-lawyering by a headmin appeal with no guarantee of an equally fair outcome".
If admitting fault and apologizing would make you lose credibility/respect, you didnt have any in the first place
i disagree with em
Ironically situations like these tend to deal damage to the community's trust in admins more than anything else.Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:41 am Like considering what damage situations like these actually cause and what the impact of bans or notes would actually provide for then future. What value or change in behavior would be coming from notes/bans for things like these?
This.
Shit, didn't expect to see another audit the audit fan here.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:06 pm we'll be referring to some footage from "Audit the Audit" (like this one amongst many others https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttfKum235Rg) just so you know what's coming up, it just might be a complete revolution.
With lawful regards
-BONERMASTER
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
The problem is that Chesh has a consistent habit of doing this. He started off really well, he was the one willing to slap the shitters who every other admin was too afraid of doing anything to. But at some point, whether it was burnout or just the inevitable 'When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail' he's fallen out of it.
100,000 credits have been deposited into your account.Jackraxxus wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:34 pmBaffling take, there's a lot to unpack here.RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:48 pm Tri-Tachyon is cringe, AI is cringe. Non-large slot energy weapons are horrid. High Tech ships last 30 seconds in battle before their battle readiness starts dipping. They use ship systems as a crutch. The Paragon is a crutch, the XIV Onslaught is the superior and more robust capital ship, I'd much rather have two XIV Onslaughts for the same deployment costs of deploying a single Paragon. High-Tech worst tech.
1. AI are based, High Hegemon Thog is just mad they won't date him because he's 5'11". Also AI are 2nd best science-fiction genre trope so they'll make for good storytelling 15 or so years down the line.
2. High tech is based clearly (You) have not spammed infinity phase ships. If we're gonna be talking about deployment costs you gotta check out high-tech phase ships. Also the apogee exists.
3. All the base game capital ships are dogwater but the Onslaught is easily the worst. It feels like you're flying a brick, someone could sneeze at its shields and cause it to overload, and to top it all off its inbuilt thermal cannons are worse than any medium energy weapon while contributing significantly to its flux issues. I'd take an Aurora over a XIV Onslaught day of the week.
4. So long as the abomination that is the Legion exists high tech cannot be worst tech. Astral simply too stronk.
5. Tri-tach's market - friendly theme is a straight bop fr how could you call them cringe
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
I understand the sentiment on a kindness level absolutely. I do think though having more pressure and criticism might finally force someone who refuses to admit when they constantly fuck up, to actually throw in the towel. Or for their superiors to throw it in for them... Naturally though, it is still a game, so the stakes are low. If you want to be more kind, that is very understandable.wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:30 pm You’re responding to your own post, not mine. I’m sure anyone facing this type and amount of criticism would feel awful regardless of whether or not it’s deserved. I don’t see the benefit of adding another voice to the cry when others have already stated my thoughts better than I could. At this point I don’t think there’s anything more to be said other than the long and short of it that they messed up, should acknowledge this and take whatever steps they can to remedy it.
Youtube likes to spam Audit the Audit for some reason I think. I watched like one video once and suddenly the algorithm thinks I am a huge fan... Also can I just note how Chrome's autocorrect is deathly insistent that I spell Youtube as 'YouTube'?Tearling wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:14 pmShit, didn't expect to see another audit the audit fan here.BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:06 pm we'll be referring to some footage from "Audit the Audit" (like this one amongst many others https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttfKum235Rg) just so you know what's coming up, it just might be a complete revolution.
With lawful regards
-BONERMASTER
Should've voted me for headmin, smh. I had a whole system to fix the notes problem, and finally do away with the mental gymnastics that they're somehow not punishments.
I agree that this is important to keep in mind. I think every /tg/ admin is a decent person (with one exception.... ), but that doesn't mean they are all amazing at being video game admins. I mean how good you are at being a moderator on a 2d spess game really has no bearing on the quality of your character, standing in the world, or wholeness of life, in the slightest. Nothing wrong if you can't be a good admin on a computer game.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:39 am I've got nothing against Chesh as a person. I've played FFXIV with him before, and we were good pals. But I absolutely despise him as an admin, and I cannot trust him with any modicum of power and authority.
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
Thanks for respecting that. Was honestly pretty afraid to check the thread when I saw I got quoted three timesBawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:11 amI understand the sentiment on a kindness level absolutely. I do think though having more pressure and criticism might finally force someone who refuses to admit when they constantly fuck up, to actually throw in the towel. Or for their superiors to throw it in for them... Naturally though, it is still a game, so the stakes are low. If you want to be more kind, that is very understandable.wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:30 pm You’re responding to your own post, not mine. I’m sure anyone facing this type and amount of criticism would feel awful regardless of whether or not it’s deserved. I don’t see the benefit of adding another voice to the cry when others have already stated my thoughts better than I could. At this point I don’t think there’s anything more to be said other than the long and short of it that they messed up, should acknowledge this and take whatever steps they can to remedy it.
Yeah, like. I also wanna clarify too because my wording was kinda harsh, I don't hate him as an admin because I think he's power-hungry or anything, even with my story of my experiences. There's that old saying though, that there's nothing more dangerous than a zealot who believes they're doing the right thing.Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:11 amI agree that this is important to keep in mind. I think every /tg/ admin is a decent person (with one exception.... ), but that doesn't mean they are all amazing at being video game admins. I mean how good you are at being a moderator on a 2d spess game really has no bearing on the quality of your character, standing in the world, or wholeness of life, in the slightest. Nothing wrong if you can't be a good admin on a computer game.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:39 am I've got nothing against Chesh as a person. I've played FFXIV with him before, and we were good pals. But I absolutely despise him as an admin, and I cannot trust him with any modicum of power and authority.
Admins should be making public complaints when they see their peers mishandling ahelps and situations such as this instead of covering it up by allowing them to walk back the punishment from very unfair to just slightly unfair.
Fuck admin self regulation.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:30 amAdmins should be making public complaints when they see their peers mishandling ahelps and situations such as this instead of covering it up by allowing them to walk back the punishment from very unfair to just slightly unfair.
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
Looks like the consequence of this appeal's set precedent is finally rearing its head.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:01 pm I'm not really sure what to think of Cheshify straight up admitting that they know that no rules were being broken but issued a ban anyway.
And again we see the "Negotiating an improper ban down to a black mark on the permanent record despite all parties agreeing no wrong having occured by leveraging your control of their ability to play" thing.
most of our players just want to play the game and don’t care about politics
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:07 pmmost of our players just want to play the game and don’t care about politics
Exactly. Admins would have a much easier time writing complaints from clear misconduct they see (peanut threads come to mind) given their familiarity with the rules but on the other hand they are volunteers that do it out of love (i hope) so we cant hound on them too much like one would with local law enforcement.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:07 pmmost of our players just want to play the game and don’t care about politics
It wasn't unplayable per se but it was not fun whatsoever.saprasam wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:15 pm if the round was literally fucking unplayable because of firelocks being broken why in gods green earth would you ban/note people for killing themselves
firelocks being broken because of shitmos is already bad enough but when it's just broken forever i think i'd just end it all there too
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
horrible precedent. really disappointing to see
It's totally not a punishment. Until it needs to be. Skub for the skub tub.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Yeah what is it with the headmins not giving a shit. I can't imagine they didn't read it, I know they weren't specifically summoned but if you read that appeal as an headmin and think "this is fine" then something is seriously wrong.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
this term has always felt like they haven't done a whole lot. lots of things were just left in the air when it was very clear action should have been taken. maybe it's just a lack of transparency. i wouldn't want to personally think that any of the headmins have been sitting on their asses. i also felt the same way two terms ago; the last term was great in terms of transparency. i don't think i will vote for anyone from this term ever againCPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:42 pmYeah what is it with the headmins not giving a shit. I can't imagine they didn't read it, I know they weren't specifically summoned but if you read that appeal as an headmin and think "this is fine" then something is seriously wrong.
a good outcome but i think it's still valid to say there's transparency issuesTimberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:44 am Thank goodness for that. I retract my previous critique entirety. A good outcome for common sense, if a little slow to get through the works. Glacial but good is still good.
i agreeTimberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:11 am Appeal demeanor is far more important, owning your own mistakes and not treating players as some sort of enemy to be overcome. To me the problem lies there - work with the player to overcome the issues in the appeal and reach a fair outcome. And listen to the player.
Re-visited the chapel incident complaint thread in honor of this result.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:44 am Thank goodness for that. I retract my previous critique entirety. A good outcome for common sense, if a little slow to get through the works. Glacial but good is still good.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
Yup, still got it. It was originally a 3-day ban for suiciding with the reason of "Part of the Mass Suicide/Ghost Sniping/IC in OOC destruction of round 137998"Tearling wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:35 amRe-visited the chapel incident complaint thread in honor of this result.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:44 am Thank goodness for that. I retract my previous critique entirety. A good outcome for common sense, if a little slow to get through the works. Glacial but good is still good.
Say, Timber, do you still have the chapel incident note? Or did it get removed somewhere along the line?
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