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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
average silicon player
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
seth could have probably beaten the charges if this wasnt the umpteenth time he has ran at the nearest traitor as a borg after dying
at best he can get away with a reduced sentence of losing silicon roles and any other forms of respawns
at best he can get away with a reduced sentence of losing silicon roles and any other forms of respawns
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Seth tends to do obvious and blatant rule breaks and lawyering quite often. He tries to mask all his incidents as innocent coincidences, but I don't think anyone is going to believe him.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Lol i love seth appeals they're so quirky(the billionare i worked for likes quirky as a word FYI if you want to be a billionare use quirky often) with that lack of punctuation which is ironically punctual in itself. I think a week - 2 month general ban with a year's sillycone would work with the possibility of parole if a 20 page written reflection on any salt reserves thread is submitted 12px times knew roman he was a good kid until the incident and then he turned evil and persuaded others to justify their existence using impossible pain & also joined a m&m which i mean they're really
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
laughable that it took this long to permaban this dude
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
God I fucking hate this guy. I'd just give him a ghostrole/silicon perma.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
That roboticist just wanted someone to go mine
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Local borg follows laws, prevents human harm, gets banned because he's a player that the admin doesn't like. Shitmin behaviour.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
I usually side against the person that gets banned 'cos it's always the same people doing the same dumb shit.
But Seth getting permabanned is wrong and incorrect. The section talking about farming kills is just plain bad judgement. I play mostly Terry, but watch Sybil and Seth is way too busy figuring new ways to nearly delaminating the SM to farm kills.
The issue there was meta-knowledge usage, and I think it's less malicious and more just Seth being fucking dumb. Week ban and very long silicon/ghost-role ban would be fair. The perma is just a lazy "go to the forums appeal" ban.
This is what happens when a non-silicon player gets the borg steering wheel and crashes headfirst into a ban.
But Seth getting permabanned is wrong and incorrect. The section talking about farming kills is just plain bad judgement. I play mostly Terry, but watch Sybil and Seth is way too busy figuring new ways to nearly delaminating the SM to farm kills.
The issue there was meta-knowledge usage, and I think it's less malicious and more just Seth being fucking dumb. Week ban and very long silicon/ghost-role ban would be fair. The perma is just a lazy "go to the forums appeal" ban.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
i've never had huge issues with Seth-- at most he always seems to be figuring out silly ways to be annoying, but he never actively gets in my way or is a serious threat
perm silicon/ghostrole ban seems the best answer but I havent seen his notes so who knows
also lolswat you have every captain round to practice clever station names, I expect more out of you for thread names as well. be better.
perm silicon/ghostrole ban seems the best answer but I havent seen his notes so who knows
also lolswat you have every captain round to practice clever station names, I expect more out of you for thread names as well. be better.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Lame as fuck, but ghostrole ban is more appropriate.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
I don't believe Seth is the type of player that's constantly impacting the experience of other players negatively, I've never seen him validhunting or "farming kills" as the ban reason states.
I see him usually just doing his job as MD or what have you, and sometimes spending time teaching stuff to newer and older players alike.
Sure he might do dumb stuff more often than not, or get incredibly salty, but he's just not that type of player. Also Pax doesn't harm, so there's no law 1 breach. The appeal reason is outright wrong.
Yes he's abused metaknowledge before, specially by becoming a borg, but he owned up about this fault on the appeal, asking for a much more reasonable ban, which is that of a ghost roles perma. A server perma was unwarranted in this case.
I see him usually just doing his job as MD or what have you, and sometimes spending time teaching stuff to newer and older players alike.
Sure he might do dumb stuff more often than not, or get incredibly salty, but he's just not that type of player. Also Pax doesn't harm, so there's no law 1 breach. The appeal reason is outright wrong.
Yes he's abused metaknowledge before, specially by becoming a borg, but he owned up about this fault on the appeal, asking for a much more reasonable ban, which is that of a ghost roles perma. A server perma was unwarranted in this case.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Here's a little tl;dr of hoolny's recent history:
2022-12-06 - Note - Killed self on war ops and took a Nukie ghost role.
2022-12-20 - Permanent Drone Role Ban - Died as a human, was back at their death location as a drone within 5 minutes. Died again as drone, took a new shell and went to try and out a cult.
2023-01-06 - 7 day ghost role ban - Died to space ninja. Took posibrain and immediately went to the ninja to get emagged and started killing people.
2023-02-08 - The incident you have before you today.
Since April last year they have collected at least one note per month, usually multiple, and nearly one ban >24hrs every couple of months.
This isn't always obvious when you look at appeals, but I would say that hoolny's record over the recent year is past the point where most other players would have been permabanned already. 18 total notes/bans in the past 10 months. It's the kind of thin ice moment where you're not here because you have a good history, but instead because no admin has yet decided to perma you because of your history.
2022-12-06 - Note - Killed self on war ops and took a Nukie ghost role.
2022-12-20 - Permanent Drone Role Ban - Died as a human, was back at their death location as a drone within 5 minutes. Died again as drone, took a new shell and went to try and out a cult.
2023-01-06 - 7 day ghost role ban - Died to space ninja. Took posibrain and immediately went to the ninja to get emagged and started killing people.
2023-02-08 - The incident you have before you today.
Since April last year they have collected at least one note per month, usually multiple, and nearly one ban >24hrs every couple of months.
This isn't always obvious when you look at appeals, but I would say that hoolny's record over the recent year is past the point where most other players would have been permabanned already. 18 total notes/bans in the past 10 months. It's the kind of thin ice moment where you're not here because you have a good history, but instead because no admin has yet decided to perma you because of your history.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Oh.
Well nevermind then.
Well nevermind then.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Timber sums it up really well here - but more importantly (as I plan on doing in the appeal itself) there's a pattern with a lot of these notes - in that they're all revolving around basically needing to kill, whether as an antagonist or otherwise.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:09 pm Here's a little tl;dr of hoolny's recent history:
2022-12-06 - Note - Killed self on war ops and took a Nukie ghost role.
2022-12-20 - Permanent Drone Role Ban - Died as a human, was back at their death location as a drone within 5 minutes. Died again as drone, took a new shell and went to try and out a cult.
2023-01-06 - 7 day ghost role ban - Died to space ninja. Took posibrain and immediately went to the ninja to get emagged and started killing people.
2023-02-08 - The incident you have before you today.
Since April last year they have collected at least one note per month, usually multiple, and nearly one ban >24hrs every couple of months.
This isn't always obvious when you look at appeals, but I would say that hoolny's record over the recent year is past the point where most other players would have been permabanned already. 18 total notes/bans in the past 10 months. It's the kind of thin ice moment where you're not here because you have a good history, but instead because no admin has yet decided to perma you because of your history.
To make it very clear: I have no problem with people liking to kill each other in this game - it's a sandbox, and one of the methods of playing in the sandbox is interacting with the numerous mechanical systems that revolve around the "pvp" aspect of it. But if someone repeatedly breaks the rules while trying to interact with these mechanics (especially in the quantity that seth does, illustrated by his note history) then it's an indicator that they're not really learning from the numerous chances they've been given and will likely not going forward.
I don't "hate" seth - I think that he negatively impacted people's rounds by behaving the way he did, but I don't hate him, which is why after the ban was initially placed I had advised him to try out other servers to put some time between the ban and this appeal/provide evidence as something of a proto-vouch for his improvement.
Ultimately, though, if someone doesn't learn from their (sadly repeated) mistakes or more minor warnings given by staff (see: those 24hr+ bans) then someone eventually has to come around and prevent them from continuing those mistakes - which in this case is a ban that they can't just wait out without proving that they've changed for the better.
I want to see him come back with an understanding of why some aspects of his playstyle (because people are right, he's not solely dedicated to kills, but he's still breaking the rules to go after that far too frequently) were wrong - and in the event that I see that happen, I'd be happy to unban him.
Until then I'm going to be against his unbanning.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
If you notice a trend with him abusing ghost roles / silicon, why not just keep him away from those roles for a (very) long period of time? What warrants you choosing a permanent server ban over a permanent ban just on the roles that he seems to have a lot of trouble with? The closest analogy i can find with your reasoning is "yeah we keep giving him chances and he keeps biting our hand so instead of muzzling him which would stop the biting, we are just going to leave the animal on the road". I understand your reasoning for the ban (as seth was doing some EXTREME babyraging) but it looks like you went heavy handed with the hammer just to force him to appeal it and explain his entire playstyle (since he probably wouldve just accepted a perma ghost role ban) Even when timber says:Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:00 pm
Timber sums it up really well here - but more importantly (as I plan on doing in the appeal itself) there's a pattern with a lot of these notes - in that they're all revolving around basically needing to kill, whether as an antagonist or otherwise.
To make it very clear: I have no problem with people liking to kill each other in this game - it's a sandbox, and one of the methods of playing in the sandbox is interacting with the numerous mechanical systems that revolve around the "pvp" aspect of it. But if someone repeatedly breaks the rules while trying to interact with these mechanics (especially in the quantity that seth does, illustrated by his note history) then it's an indicator that they're not really learning from the numerous chances they've been given and will likely not going forward.
I don't "hate" seth - I think that he negatively impacted people's rounds by behaving the way he did, but I don't hate him, which is why after the ban was initially placed I had advised him to try out other servers to put some time between the ban and this appeal/provide evidence as something of a proto-vouch for his improvement.
Ultimately, though, if someone doesn't learn from their (sadly repeated) mistakes or more minor warnings given by staff (see: those 24hr+ bans) then someone eventually has to come around and prevent them from continuing those mistakes - which in this case is a ban that they can't just wait out without proving that they've changed for the better.
I want to see him come back with an understanding of why some aspects of his playstyle (because people are right, he's not solely dedicated to kills, but he's still breaking the rules to go after that far too frequently) were wrong - and in the event that I see that happen, I'd be happy to unban him.
Until then I'm going to be against his unbanning.
This is all just ghost role abuse, which makes me question why an admin hasnt given him a perma ghostrole ban over waiting for him to fuck up enough at one thing to permaTimberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:09 pm Here's a little tl;dr of hoolny's recent history:
2022-12-06 - Note - Killed self on war ops and took a Nukie ghost role.
2022-12-20 - Permanent Drone Role Ban - Died as a human, was back at their death location as a drone within 5 minutes. Died again as drone, took a new shell and went to try and out a cult.
2023-01-06 - 7 day ghost role ban - Died to space ninja. Took posibrain and immediately went to the ninja to get emagged and started killing people.
2023-02-08 - The incident you have before you today.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Hes abusing a system that is only provided after your round start avg crewmember / character dies and even has its own set of bans to prevent abuse of those systems.
A system that is designed to keep you playing after you were round removed.
Shouldnt ban him from playing as a crew member/connecting to the server at all, just ban him from using that system.
He should probably play as a splitty slime person more, that should solve his fantasy of dieing and then coming back to kill his killer as a different person.
Or if he just likes to metagame there are multiple ways to pretend he is.
he could abuse circuits as an IC mental note pad that you can use to remember who the heretic was that sacc`d you...
or circuit comms which are untrace-able by admins which results in everyone connected to them looking like they are metagaming.
A system that is designed to keep you playing after you were round removed.
Shouldnt ban him from playing as a crew member/connecting to the server at all, just ban him from using that system.
He should probably play as a splitty slime person more, that should solve his fantasy of dieing and then coming back to kill his killer as a different person.
Or if he just likes to metagame there are multiple ways to pretend he is.
he could abuse circuits as an IC mental note pad that you can use to remember who the heretic was that sacc`d you...
or circuit comms which are untrace-able by admins which results in everyone connected to them looking like they are metagaming.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
I would like to note that despite what people think, Seth's troubles isn't limited to him and ghostroles.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
The first one I dont think should ever lead to any escalation of other bans unless he does that very specific act again, its not malicious intent its simply him playing in a way that isnt within the confines of how an admin thinks you should play as hos (which is collect gamer gear then die in maint to a traitor)
Only acting captain and CE have a real major responsibility that makes rounds unplayable without them making sure their job is done.
Only acting captain and CE have a real major responsibility that makes rounds unplayable without them making sure their job is done.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Because it's not just ghost roles - to take but one example that I'll be pointing out in the appeal response, he's got a ban for plasmaflooding the evac shuttle during a rev round "Because it would be full of revs" as a non-rev. The obvious of "there were quite a lot of non-revs on the shuttle" happens, he gets banned.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:35 pm
If you notice a trend with him abusing ghost roles / silicon, why not just keep him away from those roles for a (very) long period of time? What warrants you choosing a permanent server ban over a permanent ban just on the roles that he seems to have a lot of trouble with?
If it was just ghost roles/silicon I'd ghost role/silicon ban him and I'd be happy with that - it'd still force him to change his playstyle if he wants to get those back.
It's not, though, and I want him to change his playstyle for everything that he's messing up with - which is currently not limited to just ghost roles/silicon.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
He was the roundstart acting captain, the other heads either did not exist or were latejoins.MooCow12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:09 pm The first one I dont think should ever lead to any escalation of other bans unless he does that very specific act again, its not malicious intent its simply him playing in a way that isnt within the confines of how an admin thinks you should play as hos (which is collect gamer gear then die in maint to a traitor)
Only acting captain and CE have a real major responsibility that makes rounds unplayable without them making sure their job is done.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
To all the people bringing up his past: it is completely irrelevant.
If he did things he shouldn't have done, and was punished for doing them, then that is resolved, and he shouldn't incur double jeopardy.
If he did things he shouldn't have done, and was punished for doing them, then that is resolved, and he shouldn't incur double jeopardy.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
"Why would the admin team give a server ban instead of a ghost role ban" is actually a very good question. There's no right and wrong answer.
There's good logic in any school of thought to give a role ban from little pieces of the game they can't stop breaking the rules with. It is predicated on a strong assumption that the player will instead start following the rules now they're disconnected from parts of the game they have historically had issues with.
Current headmin Rave is a strong supporter of things like "Quirk bans" - Where the banned player has a quirk (like pacifism) forced onto them. The idea being that forcing a player to engage with the game in a different way (by preventing them from engaging in the game in a specific way) means they'll transform into a model player. Same general approach as suggested above, and the admin team certainly isn't deaf to it.
Hoolny's recent behaviour is shitting around with ghost roles and metagaming/second lifing - which seems like the perfect candidate for a role ban.
That being said, it also represents an evolution in rule breaking from his past history of less serious issues. He's abused urgent ahelps and is permanently banned from them. Plasma flooded the escape shuttle hoping he'd kill some revs and got banned for that. Pointlessly killed a silicon for trying to prevent/heal harm and got banned for that. Strings of actions that look like antag rolling. Ignored their master's orders as a holopara to go kill people. Instances of bad escalation.
I call these less serious issues because they often come down to overzealous or just generally thoughtless play.
But in the present, using information you gained while dead, or information from past lives in the same shift that you're no longer living, is adjacent to simply cheating. It's very similar to having another account sat in observer mode and every so often peeking at the shift in observer mode to get some ideas about what's going on, then acting on that information in a seemingly calculated way. I believe the bridge between OOC and IC is so much more important as it represents a core foundation of SS13 as a game. Incomplete information, mystery, paranoia, subterfuge etc.
Repeatedly being caught doing this stuff means either you're intentionally doing it, or you're intentionally not giving a damn about following rules you almost certainly should know about having done it twice before.
I personally think Hoolny has already been treated very fairly by the admin team. 10 months of repeated chances to shore up their gameplay and start following the rules like everyone else.
I feel this is actually quite common, and the player that does one or two things wrong and gets knee-jerk permabanned is the exception.
By-and-large, most of our admins don't want to ban players and just want to place the bare minimum punishment that sets them on the path to following the rules. The admin team have sometimes even caught flak for this, and it's visible in any ban appeal where the player sentiment is "why the hell are they still playing the game? They should be banned by now."
At some point an individual admin's patience gets exhausted, usually when a player's rule breaking escalates in severity instead of decreases over time. It's an indication that the previous softly-softly touch isn't working for this individual. Hoolny has had 10 months of softly-softly. They're now breaking rules that are much more serious in scope. That escalation of enforcement has finally concluded with this permaban.
That's a sort of wider look about how something seemingly as open-and-shut as "just role ban them lol" can end up having such a more severe outcome.
There's good logic in any school of thought to give a role ban from little pieces of the game they can't stop breaking the rules with. It is predicated on a strong assumption that the player will instead start following the rules now they're disconnected from parts of the game they have historically had issues with.
Current headmin Rave is a strong supporter of things like "Quirk bans" - Where the banned player has a quirk (like pacifism) forced onto them. The idea being that forcing a player to engage with the game in a different way (by preventing them from engaging in the game in a specific way) means they'll transform into a model player. Same general approach as suggested above, and the admin team certainly isn't deaf to it.
Hoolny's recent behaviour is shitting around with ghost roles and metagaming/second lifing - which seems like the perfect candidate for a role ban.
That being said, it also represents an evolution in rule breaking from his past history of less serious issues. He's abused urgent ahelps and is permanently banned from them. Plasma flooded the escape shuttle hoping he'd kill some revs and got banned for that. Pointlessly killed a silicon for trying to prevent/heal harm and got banned for that. Strings of actions that look like antag rolling. Ignored their master's orders as a holopara to go kill people. Instances of bad escalation.
I call these less serious issues because they often come down to overzealous or just generally thoughtless play.
But in the present, using information you gained while dead, or information from past lives in the same shift that you're no longer living, is adjacent to simply cheating. It's very similar to having another account sat in observer mode and every so often peeking at the shift in observer mode to get some ideas about what's going on, then acting on that information in a seemingly calculated way. I believe the bridge between OOC and IC is so much more important as it represents a core foundation of SS13 as a game. Incomplete information, mystery, paranoia, subterfuge etc.
Repeatedly being caught doing this stuff means either you're intentionally doing it, or you're intentionally not giving a damn about following rules you almost certainly should know about having done it twice before.
I personally think Hoolny has already been treated very fairly by the admin team. 10 months of repeated chances to shore up their gameplay and start following the rules like everyone else.
I feel this is actually quite common, and the player that does one or two things wrong and gets knee-jerk permabanned is the exception.
By-and-large, most of our admins don't want to ban players and just want to place the bare minimum punishment that sets them on the path to following the rules. The admin team have sometimes even caught flak for this, and it's visible in any ban appeal where the player sentiment is "why the hell are they still playing the game? They should be banned by now."
At some point an individual admin's patience gets exhausted, usually when a player's rule breaking escalates in severity instead of decreases over time. It's an indication that the previous softly-softly touch isn't working for this individual. Hoolny has had 10 months of softly-softly. They're now breaking rules that are much more serious in scope. That escalation of enforcement has finally concluded with this permaban.
That's a sort of wider look about how something seemingly as open-and-shut as "just role ban them lol" can end up having such a more severe outcome.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
In the case of a permaban, his past is entirely relevant
Notes and bans are a punishment for you not following the rules, to get you to learn the rules and follow them, failure to do so results in increasing bans, until it finally hits permaban territory
Just because he served his time for those previous bans that doesn't mean they're cleared from his record (although old ones do tend to get ignored, this guy has a long list)
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Although not helping seths case, these are only 3 bans of varying validity (come on going to space as HOS on LRP? who cares its not like he was hurting anyone) from 8 months ago, 5 months ago, and 3 months ago. The HOS LRP vekter tier ban was the one that was 3 months ago too. If you isolate his problems with rule 10 (which is almost will always break through ghost roles because he cant contain the babyrage) then his note / ban history looks kinda average (i guess? idk im not an admin and i also dont have history to his entire history). You could pull up anyones ban history from 9 months ago and put it in a peanut thread but i dont see what relevancy it has with him being permanently banned over a perma ghost role banArchie700 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:06 pm I would like to note that despite what people think, Seth's troubles isn't limited to him and ghostroles.
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Again, you use wording like "to take but one example" to paint seth as a worse player. Its not "to take but one" because theres only 1.5 good examples shown of seth actively trolling the rules (independent of silicon) from 8 and 5 months ago. If 85% (arbitrary highish number) of Seths bans and notes are solvable with a ban thats less than a perma then why go for a permaban? This doesnt look like sufficient reasoning at all to go above a permanent silicon / ghost role ban and a 7 day server ban (essentially a shorter leash and nowhere else to hide if he starts fucking up again)Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:15 pm
Because it's not just ghost roles - to take but one example that I'll be pointing out in the appeal response, he's got a ban for plasmaflooding the evac shuttle during a rev round "Because it would be full of revs" as a non-rev. The obvious of "there were quite a lot of non-revs on the shuttle" happens, he gets banned.
If it was just ghost roles/silicon I'd ghost role/silicon ban him and I'd be happy with that - it'd still force him to change his playstyle if he wants to get those back.
It's not, though, and I want him to change his playstyle for everything that he's messing up with - which is currently not limited to just ghost roles/silicon.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Re: "permanent silicon / ghost role ban and a 7 day server ban" - if you were an admin responding to this case and delivered that, I don't think a lot of people would have problem with you swinging too low.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:39 pm Again, you use wording like "to take but one example" to paint seth as a worse player. Its not "to take but one" because theres only 1.5 good examples shown of seth actively trolling the rules (independent of silicon) from 8 and 5 months ago. If 85% (arbitrary highish number) of Seths bans and notes are solvable with a ban thats less than a perma then why go for a permaban? This doesnt look like sufficient reasoning at all to go above a permanent silicon / ghost role ban and a 7 day server ban (essentially a shorter leash and nowhere else to hide if he starts fucking up again)
In this case, I'm of the opinion that when the only option presented by reasonable third-party takes is still involving a permanent ban and a fairly lengthy (7 days is a lot, when compared to most ban durations!) server ban, there's plenty of standing for a full perm - doubly so when it's been ten months of chances to improve, and other duration-dependent bans have shown little progress - if he can wait out the other bans just fine, what's to stop him from waiting out a 7-day?
I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but the intention isn't to place a ban that can just be waited out with no improvement. If I thought that there was going to be improvement in the future without me having to force it, I wouldn't be permanently banning seth here.
His history does not make me believe that, unfortunately - it's a history of not having learned from mistakes.
It is probably a harder hand than most would have taken here, but I don't like to leave things hanging for other people to clean up after - if I put a seven-day ban on instead and he goes right back to breaking the rules (which I fully believe he would) then I'm putting the burden of the ban on another admin who has to go through the whole rigamarole again - with this time being asked "ok, but what if you gave a two-week ban instead? or a month ban? or just a job ban from the job that he did this on?"
For anyone else, this might be a seven day ban. Or a silicon/ghostrole permaban. But "anyone else" also probably does not have a note history indicating that time-based bans don't make them change for the better.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
It's not "completely irrelevant", double jeopardy is being convicted twice for the same crime. Someone having a history of rulebreaks and getting increasingly severe bans for breaking the same set of rules repeatedly is not double jeopardy. Getting banned for killing someone as a nonantag is normally a dayban, if they keep doing it over and over the length of the bans will increase. This is why notes are left on people's accounts after they do something naughty, to establish a pattern if they continue the behavior that got them banned/noted in the first place. The fact that this is your understanding of how our system works tells me you're either incredibly down bad for seth, stupid or both.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Seth doesn’t deserve a perma, they deserve a ghost role ban and silicon ban. Abuse of those specific features should result in bans from those features, I believe. It can offer them the chance to redeem themself.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
It feels like we are going in circles but progress is being made we just needed to firmly establish starting points, and i have a much better idea of why you did what you did, especially here:Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:53 pm Re: "permanent silicon / ghost role ban and a 7 day server ban" - if you were an admin responding to this case and delivered that, I don't think a lot of people would have problem with you swinging too low.
In this case, I'm of the opinion that when the only option presented by reasonable third-party takes is still involving a permanent ban and a fairly lengthy (7 days is a lot, when compared to most ban durations!) server ban, there's plenty of standing for a full perm - doubly so when it's been ten months of chances to improve, and other duration-dependent bans have shown little progress - if he can wait out the other bans just fine, what's to stop him from waiting out a 7-day?
I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but the intention isn't to place a ban that can just be waited out with no improvement. If I thought that there was going to be improvement in the future without me having to force it, I wouldn't be permanently banning seth here.
His history does not make me believe that, unfortunately - it's a history of not having learned from mistakes.
It is probably a harder hand than most would have taken here, but I don't like to leave things hanging for other people to clean up after - if I put a seven-day ban on instead and he goes right back to breaking the rules (which I fully believe he would) then I'm putting the burden of the ban on another admin who has to go through the whole rigamarole again - with this time being asked "ok, but what if you gave a two-week ban instead? or a month ban? or just a job ban from the job that he did this on?"
For anyone else, this might be a seven day ban. Or a silicon/ghostrole permaban. But "anyone else" also probably does not have a note history indicating that time-based bans don't make them change for the better.
If im getting it right, you looked over his history, made the accurate assesment that the player knows the rules but willingly disregards NLR on ghost roles in order to either become an antag or get revenge on the antag that killed them. After this and a short discussion with other admins (guessing here) you all went "yeah a permaban is fine here". I dont think you and whoever else you talked to about are in the wrong necessarily (objectively wrong, like getting a stern talking to after a quick appeal uphold), but Seth (the player) isnt just "some problem for another admin to permaban in a month", they are a person that enjoys playing ss13 even if they cant wrap their head around a rule (which is a non issue if you just ban them from being able to break rule 10 via ghost roles). You are very correct in that If you applied a silicon / ghost permaban and a 7 day ban (hopefully including the words "thin ice, appeal this note so we can talk about thickening it in a few months"), nobody would have a problem with it. Even though seth deserved a BIG hammer strike for his actions especially with his silicon related note history, this looks like the admin version of RRing someone that you could crit and them gulag for 1000 points just because they did something making them valid for it (and asking the AI if you should RR them knowing damn well that its a moth and the AI has already killed every pet on the station).Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:53 pm Re: "permanent silicon / ghost role ban and a 7 day server ban" - if you were an admin responding to this case and delivered that, I don't think a lot of people would have problem with you swinging too low.
It is probably a harder hand than most would have taken here, but I don't like to leave things hanging for other people to clean up after - if I put a seven-day ban on instead and he goes right back to breaking the rules (which I fully believe he would) then I'm putting the burden of the ban on another admin who has to go through the whole rigamarole again - with this time being asked "ok, but what if you gave a two-week ban instead? or a month ban? or just a job ban from the job that he did this on?".
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Tldr: I believe [banning admin] had two clear options when handling this ban, and went with the one that (what im assuming to be the marority out of all the people that actually care one way or the other) would be seen as the worse option if you are acting in good faith with regards to the server health.
tldr but analogy: A nasty tumor has shown its rear head on a patient. You have some pretty good tumor removing tools, but it will require amputating the patients entire arm. The patient is fine with this and will promise to treat the rest of his body better after losing multiple fingers and now an arm to these cancerous tumors. However, instead of using your surgeon title to practice medicine, you give up and tell the patient that the tumor is inoperable and they need to get off the table so you can do other surgeries.
tldr but analogy: A nasty tumor has shown its rear head on a patient. You have some pretty good tumor removing tools, but it will require amputating the patients entire arm. The patient is fine with this and will promise to treat the rest of his body better after losing multiple fingers and now an arm to these cancerous tumors. However, instead of using your surgeon title to practice medicine, you give up and tell the patient that the tumor is inoperable and they need to get off the table so you can do other surgeries.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
I don't even like Seth. What I like even less is admin abuse. The fact that you got hostile and emotional, jumping to ad hominem when someone disagreed with your opinion tells me all I need to know.
It even confirms that you're just backing this ban because you have something against the player.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Yes I reckon it’s admin abuse to ban someone who has a repeated history of breaking the same set of rules. You have brainrot.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Although I'm glad that we agree on the basics (foundation, understanding for the ban in general, the fact that a ban is justified, with at least one component being permanent) I'm afraid that we're ultimately going to have to agree to disagree on where I took it.
The reason I brought up how an admin could've swung lightly here and been fine is because of the Fun Concept of admin discretion - as long as you're not swinging so lightly that it's making itself a problem (eg: daybans on erp, whatnot) or swinging so hard that it's a problem (perm over a single nonantag kill) you have (general) freedom to administrate within the boundaries of "hard or light" depending on your judgement - judgement that should be backed up by how you think it'll positively effect the server or playerbase to administrate in a certain way.
I don't think a 7-day from the server or only a perm from ghostroles is sufficient here - and I hope that I've made my justifications clear, even if you might not agree with them.
After my response in the appeal's out (it'll be a little bit, I'm still at work right now) I'll be letting headmins know immediately that I've made my response, and then it'll be up to them to make a final decision on whether my justification for how I chose to administrate is valid or not. Everyone's deserving of a headmin review, and if my justification isn't enough, then seth deserves to have it righted sooner rather than later - if my justification is enough (which I believe it to be, obviously) then it's better that he finds out quicker so that he can get to work on finding a new server to play on in the meantime. (I'm a big fan of vouches since it's active evidence of your improvement and not just a "I'm waiting this out on a larger scale")
Thanks for engaging in this in a civil manner though - it's nice to have a discussion with people, especially when they're willing to provide an alternative viewpoint on how to handle things. It's given me a little bit of time to justify this beyond what I was planning to write in the appeal alone.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
How can you be trusted to enforce the rules in game when you can't even follow forum rules (see rule 7)? lmao
The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
If my every interaction with Seth wasn't him screaming retard and fuck you over radio at people, I might agree this is an overreaction. Instead, every time I have seen him talk to another player it has been to immediately escalate to verbal abuse over the smallest perceived slights. His constant abuse of silicon players under the justification of "they aren't really people so you can treat them however you want" fills me with disgust, and is clearly just him baiting them into ignoring his law 2s so he can cry malf and go kill them. My time on the server is always better when they are not in whatever department I am filling the department radio with their vitriol.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
A player who consistently has shitty behavior in one area of the game is likely doing the same shitty behaviors everywhere but not getting caught or skirting rules by circumstance.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Yeah this is the best conclusion. I disagree with your ruling but I have no question that you acted in good faith with the health of the server in mind. At the very worst outcome im atleast happy at how transparent this is from all sidesOmega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:13 pm Although I'm glad that we agree on the basics (foundation, understanding for the ban in general, the fact that a ban is justified, with at least one component being permanent) I'm afraid that we're ultimately going to have to agree to disagree on where I took it.
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I understand where you are coming from all you have read about me since you aren’t an all Seth knowing entity over my shoulder watching my every move, most of the knowledge if not all of it you have about me is in admin notes which are by design negative things about a player it may seem like my behavior shows a pattern of only playing to farm kills but there is more to me than admin notes.Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:00 pmTimber sums it up really well here - but more importantly (as I plan on doing in the appeal itself) there's a pattern with a lot of these notes - in that they're all revolving around basically needing to kill, whether as an antagonist or otherwise.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:09 pm Here's a little tl;dr of hoolny's recent history:
2022-12-06 - Note - Killed self on war ops and took a Nukie ghost role.
2022-12-20 - Permanent Drone Role Ban - Died as a human, was back at their death location as a drone within 5 minutes. Died again as drone, took a new shell and went to try and out a cult.
2023-01-06 - 7 day ghost role ban - Died to space ninja. Took posibrain and immediately went to the ninja to get emagged and started killing people.
2023-02-08 - The incident you have before you today.
Since April last year they have collected at least one note per month, usually multiple, and nearly one ban >24hrs every couple of months.
This isn't always obvious when you look at appeals, but I would say that hoolny's record over the recent year is past the point where most other players would have been permabanned already. 18 total notes/bans in the past 10 months. It's the kind of thin ice moment where you're not here because you have a good history, but instead because no admin has yet decided to perma you because of your history.
To make it very clear: I have no problem with people liking to kill each other in this game - it's a sandbox, and one of the methods of playing in the sandbox is interacting with the numerous mechanical systems that revolve around the "pvp" aspect of it. But if someone repeatedly breaks the rules while trying to interact with these mechanics (especially in the quantity that seth does, illustrated by his note history) then it's an indicator that they're not really learning from the numerous chances they've been given and will likely not going forward.
I don't "hate" seth - I think that he negatively impacted people's rounds by behaving the way he did, but I don't hate him, which is why after the ban was initially placed I had advised him to try out other servers to put some time between the ban and this appeal/provide evidence as something of a proto-vouch for his improvement.
Ultimately, though, if someone doesn't learn from their (sadly repeated) mistakes or more minor warnings given by staff (see: those 24hr+ bans) then someone eventually has to come around and prevent them from continuing those mistakes - which in this case is a ban that they can't just wait out without proving that they've changed for the better.
I want to see him come back with an understanding of why some aspects of his playstyle (because people are right, he's not solely dedicated to kills, but he's still breaking the rules to go after that far too frequently) were wrong - and in the event that I see that happen, I'd be happy to unban him.
Until then I'm going to be against his unbanning.
I do really care like actually care about the rules if I’m unbanned from this I won’t just go ahead and do the same thing I did before and keep on breaking rules I learn from my mistakes I have a reason to improve and not do this stuff again I want to keep playing on TG there is so much great about it the players,the admins they’re all amazing I believe TG has some of the best most reasonable people to talk to I have never received a note or an admin judgment that seemed unfair or undeserved. The code constant updates the game is always fresh I always have fun, there is some people in the game I’m somewhat invested and attached to talking to I don’t really want to not see them for so long I want to keep doing issues report editing the wiki for better info and just doing my little part to make this changing game a little better
I look back on how I rage in ghost, IC in discord and stuff and I don’t really look at it with pride sometimes I see I made someone’s day worst and I feel bad about it even if I will never see them in real life it just brings a small pain in my heart to know my words really touched someone and made them in real life feel negatively I do reversibly feel good when my actions and words made someone feel good in real life I like making peoples days better this is why I do stuff like keeping the station atmos safe reviving people teaching people about the game and just making wacky things that confuse or amazed with in game mechanics.
I really had some great experiences on TG and if you ban me on the perception that it will improve me as a player for another day to come back to TG I appreciate your care for the game and to some extend your care for me to be better but I cant say I feel as my time in TG has to stop for this long when I believe that I can do much good and improve within this sever I'm so fond of.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Local player asks for the strongest antag, surprised it's the admin
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
So I was doing a bunch of log diving on this one, and ran into something interesting from the start of the round. A heretic mime drew a rune in the kitchen and Seth saw it. What proceeded was a flashbanging of the entire kitchen and seth throwing the mime around at people hitting the cook and others.
The cook tried to play it off as a fake rune and repeatedly tried to tell seth the mime had no hurt anyone. Seth continued tossing the mime around and eventually got him handcuffed. The cook taunted him for arresting a non harmful artist to which seth then stunned and kicked the cook.
The cook followed him to the execution chamber where seth proceeded to freak out on the ai for not letting him in the door to the execution chamber while dragging a human. The mime then broke his vow of silence and begged the ai to not let seth execute him. Cook then berated the mime for speaking and asked the AI to help them save the mime from execution. Seth began pepperspraying the cook and chain stunning them on a table taking them from 92 to 22 hp. It should be noted that as far as I can tell, the mime escaped from seth not because of the cook, but because they shoved the mime while dragging it, then the ai helped it flee.
The cook and seth get into an argument about why seth was trying to execute in the first place and seth gets mad and starts flash spamming the cook. Cook then gets stripped while not resisting and then Seth starts cutting their legs off with a circular saw putting them in crit.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Only tangentially related to this case - it's more of a "problems with/when attacking people" than a "too focused on getting kills" thing if I wanted to split hairs; Escalation vs self-antagging/abuse of metaknowledge to kill scenarios.rasonj wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:44 pm So I was doing a bunch of log diving on this one, and ran into something interesting from the start of the round. A heretic mime drew a rune in the kitchen and Seth saw it. What proceeded was a flashbanging of the entire kitchen and seth throwing the mime around at people hitting the cook and others.The cook tried to play it off as a fake rune and repeatedly tried to tell seth the mime had no hurt anyone. Seth continued tossing the mime around and eventually got him handcuffed. The cook taunted him for arresting a non harmful artist to which seth then stunned and kicked the cook.► Show SpoilerThe cook followed him to the execution chamber where seth proceeded to freak out on the ai for not letting him in the door to the execution chamber while dragging a human. The mime then broke his vow of silence and begged the ai to not let seth execute him. Cook then berated the mime for speaking and asked the AI to help them save the mime from execution. Seth began pepperspraying the cook and chain stunning them on a table taking them from 92 to 22 hp. It should be noted that as far as I can tell, the mime escaped from seth not because of the cook, but because they shoved the mime while dragging it, then the ai helped it flee.► Show SpoilerThe cook and seth get into an argument about why seth was trying to execute in the first place and seth gets mad and starts flash spamming the cook. Cook then gets stripped while not resisting and then Seth starts cutting their legs off with a circular saw putting them in crit.► Show Spoiler
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
rasonj wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:44 pm So I was doing a bunch of log diving on this one, and ran into something interesting from the start of the round. A heretic mime drew a rune in the kitchen and Seth saw it. What proceeded was a flashbanging of the entire kitchen and seth throwing the mime around at people hitting the cook and others.The cook tried to play it off as a fake rune and repeatedly tried to tell seth the mime had no hurt anyone. Seth continued tossing the mime around and eventually got him handcuffed. The cook taunted him for arresting a non harmful artist to which seth then stunned and kicked the cook.► Show SpoilerThe cook followed him to the execution chamber where seth proceeded to freak out on the ai for not letting him in the door to the execution chamber while dragging a human. The mime then broke his vow of silence and begged the ai to not let seth execute him. Cook then berated the mime for speaking and asked the AI to help them save the mime from execution. Seth began pepperspraying the cook and chain stunning them on a table taking them from 92 to 22 hp. It should be noted that as far as I can tell, the mime escaped from seth not because of the cook, but because they shoved the mime while dragging it, then the ai helped it flee.► Show SpoilerThe cook and seth get into an argument about why seth was trying to execute in the first place and seth gets mad and starts flash spamming the cook. Cook then gets stripped while not resisting and then Seth starts cutting their legs off with a circular saw putting them in crit.► Show Spoiler
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The mime was drawing heretic circles in front of any one so as usual I arrested them and I was gona do a pacification surgery to keep them under control then the chef constantly tried to stop me arrested which I correctly stunned them for it went into the execute chamber to grab tools which then the chef broke into security stole a disablers and tried to disable me then I stunned them while I was talking to them the mime heretic escaped or something I though saw them back in perma where they opened rifts then they started talking as a mime they said they were gona ghost just because I ringed their ears
THE CHEF BROKE INTO SEC AND STOLE A DISABLER
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
its not "validhunting" or "kill-hungry" to kill friendly/low-effort antags
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Also no the chef was constantly shoving me around and he helped the mime escape from the cuffs I had to go back an arrest the mine again
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
I did not post the logs to suggest he was valid hunting or kill hungry, he was playing sec. I posted them because his interaction with the cook seemed exceedingly shitsec to me. He claims they shoved him around while the mime was in handcuffs but I don't see it in the logs.
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Re: Seth Deces loses twice (i think?) to reider and then gets swiftly banned
Everytime I’m a heretic and sec finds even a sign of me being a heretic through rift prints they instantly search me if they see anything heretic like they instantly execute me on the spot
Here is me giving a heretic a minor debuff while a chef tries to help an antag shoved me around stops me from doing arrest steals a disabler and break into sec meanwhile when I’m trying to do the one surgery the heretic rages and ghosts for losing some ears
Here is me giving a heretic a minor debuff while a chef tries to help an antag shoved me around stops me from doing arrest steals a disabler and break into sec meanwhile when I’m trying to do the one surgery the heretic rages and ghosts for losing some ears
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