Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
This is how I feel every time I play on terry. Bunch of animals all trying to kill each other. I am firmly on team warden here, nothing more frustrating as warden than constantly being undermined. Sec off using his disabler against the warden should be treated as treason.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Terry sec rocks man don't let 1 noob ruin the experience.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
WHY YOU CALL SHUTTLE SUNSHINE
RECALL SUNSHINE
YOURE AN IDIOT SUNSHINE RECALL THE SHUTTLE
go play on manuel rig fucking hell
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Trialmin moment, prease understand.
And yeah roundstart armory lethals is cringe of the highest magnitude. You have everything you could ever need to beat anything that isn't either stun immune, outnumbers you heavily or get the jump on you on your secbelt, and immediately getting even stronger gear JUST IN CASE stinks of rule 12 violation.
This shit is why i purposely play as a gullible dumbfuck whenever i redshirt. Team baddies stands zero chance against experienced terrysec unless someone throws a bolt in the machinery now and then.
And yeah roundstart armory lethals is cringe of the highest magnitude. You have everything you could ever need to beat anything that isn't either stun immune, outnumbers you heavily or get the jump on you on your secbelt, and immediately getting even stronger gear JUST IN CASE stinks of rule 12 violation.
This shit is why i purposely play as a gullible dumbfuck whenever i redshirt. Team baddies stands zero chance against experienced terrysec unless someone throws a bolt in the machinery now and then.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Part 1: Local warden disobeys his direct superior (the HoS) - objectively wrong here, you shouldn't deny your boss access to part of his department. The absolute state of warden moths...
Part 2: Local officer asks for guns, warden says no. Denying access to guns to officers with known threats is pretty bad but not against the rules.
Part 3: Officer breaks in anyway... this is wrong.
Part 4: Warden shoots his own officer. This is wrong too.
Part 5: Officer shoots back, obviously.
CORRECTION: PART 4: Officer shoots at the warden.
Part 5: Warden shoots back at the officer, obviously. /CORRECTION
Part 6: Warden shoots lethals at a fellow member of security. Absolutely in the wrong.
Part 7: Based AI shocks the warden. lmao. funny.
Part 8: The HoS gives the warden a direct order, and the warden refuses. The warden should be the one going to the gulag, not the officer.
"I didn't ask the HoS because I disagree with him" lmao the absolute state of moth wardens.
The giving of the note itself feels appropriate. The admin did the correct thing. ARE YOU HAPPY, VEKTER? I'M TAKING THE ADMIN'S SIDE, ARE YOU HAPPY?!
Assuming his description of the conversation is accurate, though, the poor communication from the admin needs to be improved upon.
Part 2: Local officer asks for guns, warden says no. Denying access to guns to officers with known threats is pretty bad but not against the rules.
Part 3: Officer breaks in anyway... this is wrong.
Part 4: Warden shoots his own officer. This is wrong too.
Part 5: Officer shoots back, obviously.
CORRECTION: PART 4: Officer shoots at the warden.
Part 5: Warden shoots back at the officer, obviously. /CORRECTION
Part 6: Warden shoots lethals at a fellow member of security. Absolutely in the wrong.
Part 7: Based AI shocks the warden. lmao. funny.
Part 8: The HoS gives the warden a direct order, and the warden refuses. The warden should be the one going to the gulag, not the officer.
"I didn't ask the HoS because I disagree with him" lmao the absolute state of moth wardens.
The giving of the note itself feels appropriate. The admin did the correct thing. ARE YOU HAPPY, VEKTER? I'M TAKING THE ADMIN'S SIDE, ARE YOU HAPPY?!
Assuming his description of the conversation is accurate, though, the poor communication from the admin needs to be improved upon.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Everyone's in the wrong here.
Warden shouldn't have disobey'd the HOS.
Security Officer shouldn't have broken into the armoury.
AI should have set SMES to max before door shocking the Warden.
Warden shouldn't have disobey'd the HOS.
Security Officer shouldn't have broken into the armoury.
AI should have set SMES to max before door shocking the Warden.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
The admin is the only one not in the wrong imo.chocolate_bickie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:03 pm Everyone's in the wrong here.
Warden shouldn't have disobey'd the HOS.
Security Officer shouldn't have broken into the armoury.
AI should have set SMES to max before door shocking the Warden.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
I think the note should be more about disobeying HoS than sending the officer to labour. Sets a bad precedent that wardens can't punish officers for breaking into the armoury as an officer.
HoS and every single officer involved in the armoury tiding should get a ban. This is horrible NRP tiding in order to increase antag hunting efficiency. It fucking sucks that security tides and ruins things in order to hunt an antag. Rule 12 worthy in my opinion. Decreasing RP quality in order to increase valid hunt efficiency id the worst.
This sort of stuff is probably the biggest problem with Terry in my opinion. A lot of security officers, silicon (how the fuck does enabling emergency access prevents human harm after cult gets announced? sounds like it would jave the opposite effect), and command staff tend to assist tiders in tiding because it helps with valid hunting, and it's really terrible.
HoS and every single officer involved in the armoury tiding should get a ban. This is horrible NRP tiding in order to increase antag hunting efficiency. It fucking sucks that security tides and ruins things in order to hunt an antag. Rule 12 worthy in my opinion. Decreasing RP quality in order to increase valid hunt efficiency id the worst.
This sort of stuff is probably the biggest problem with Terry in my opinion. A lot of security officers, silicon (how the fuck does enabling emergency access prevents human harm after cult gets announced? sounds like it would jave the opposite effect), and command staff tend to assist tiders in tiding because it helps with valid hunting, and it's really terrible.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
gulag sentence of 1000 points without at least communicating this to their superiors is a bit excessive
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Right, because "trial admins know nothing about the game" is a new and original take.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
head coder word of god on game design is warden has full control over armoury and only captain can overrule them good day.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
I always figure calling the HoS out for shitseccing is the wardens responsibility. That's why he gets the krav maga gloves.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
no matter what, bad look on HOS / captain (whichever of the two is actually taking leading security seriously). If you cant control a few officers and a warden how can you control anything else
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
True. Want to get picked up early from daycare, little hos boo boo baby? Control your damn staff they should not be having round-long beetle battlesTheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:36 am no matter what, bad look on HOS / captain (whichever of the two is actually taking leading security seriously). If you cant control a few officers and a warden how can you control anything else
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Note doesn’t seem fair to me. The warden used the tools they had available to resolve a conflict (ultimately non-lethally) which resulted from imperfect play from EVERYONE.
Is “communicate with your head of staff” a fair and appropriate line to draw on LRP? Yes. The same applies for “dont act like a NRP chimp and tide the wardens office as a sec officer,” “dont disabler spam the warden for denying you a gun,” “dont shock people because you feel like it.”
It’s bizarre to me that rig was brought up on communication of all things considering the many other questionable actions they AND others did throughout the shift. In my eyes this is a clear “you’re all dummies who handled this poorly and can deal with it yourselves” moment.
Is “communicate with your head of staff” a fair and appropriate line to draw on LRP? Yes. The same applies for “dont act like a NRP chimp and tide the wardens office as a sec officer,” “dont disabler spam the warden for denying you a gun,” “dont shock people because you feel like it.”
It’s bizarre to me that rig was brought up on communication of all things considering the many other questionable actions they AND others did throughout the shift. In my eyes this is a clear “you’re all dummies who handled this poorly and can deal with it yourselves” moment.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
NOW that I’ve made the mistake of investing the effort of reading, thinking, AND posting about this appeal, I look forward to the 50% possibility of there being some definitive logs posted that make me look like an idiot.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
The HoS has armory access for a reason and should be allowed in there. He's the warden's boss. As HoS I find it obnoxious when the captain rushes armory roundstart but I don't really say anything because he's my boss. Same concept here except the HoS arguably has a more legitimate need for weaponry. Warden was also an ass for denying lethals to the officer. Changelings have abilities to shrug off stuns and even handcuffs. Killing the changeling is the only way to guarantee a minute or so of the changeling not escaping while you run to the crematorium.
Terrible warden but still an IC issue, it was a normal IC conflict leading up to the gulagging of the officer.
Terrible warden but still an IC issue, it was a normal IC conflict leading up to the gulagging of the officer.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Oh you fucking KNOW that there's a lie in that appeal somewhere that someone's going to drop the log-bomb on and everyone's going to go "Y'know what the admin was actually right, I said this the whole time" or vice versa.
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this is why i havent even bothered the time to invest an opinion on this, i’ll wait til the logs are posted and the story is set straightCMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:04 amOh you fucking KNOW that there's a lie in that appeal somewhere that someone's going to drop the log-bomb on and everyone's going to go "Y'know what the admin was actually right, I said this the whole time" or vice versa.
im gay (and also play the moth “bugger”)
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
The guy in the appeal said there was a changeling.Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:40 pm You have everything you could ever need to beat anything that isn't either stun immune, outnumbers you heavily or get the jump on you on your secbelt
Have you heard of our lord and savior adrenaline sacks. Creates 4 units of changeling adrenaline which heals 10 stamina damage per tick for 10 ticks, as well as makes you immune to the damage slowdown that stamina damage would normally cause you, purges any knockdowns on activation, reduces any further knockdowns/stuns applied by 30% and also gives 3 units of changeling haste which makes you fast as fuck.
Compared to fleshmend, which will only heal 5 burn per tick if you laser the changeling and does not provide immunity to damage slowdown
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Cool but the HOS probably didn't know about the lings roundstart my guySkeletalElite wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:38 amThe guy in the appeal said there was a changeling.Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:40 pm You have everything you could ever need to beat anything that isn't either stun immune, outnumbers you heavily or get the jump on you on your secbelt
Have you heard of our lord and savior adrenaline sacks. Creates 4 units of changeling adrenaline which heals 10 stamina damage per tick for 10 ticks, as well as makes you immune to the damage slowdown that stamina damage would normally cause you, purges any knockdowns on activation, reduces any further knockdowns/stuns applied by 30% and also gives 3 units of changeling haste which makes you fast as fuck.
Compared to fleshmend, which will only heal 5 burn per tick if you laser the changeling and does not provide immunity to damage slowdown
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
sorry for posting logs guys
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
I would like to note that the security officer is very cringe even outside of that round
Here is the one experience i had with him
>Latejoin detective early in the round
>He's rushing the armory for riot armor to "buff his grappling"
>I go investigate and find a heretic rift with a blood pool and black gloves in cargo
>15 minutes later i say that I suspect that the heretic is a cargonian
>He immediately convinces the HoS to do random searches with him in cargo
>Heretic is the first person random searches
>He pulls off an impressive feat in killing and keeping him stunlocked with tackles and a bola (and a throwing star on top)
>Sometime later HoS random search the entire medical department because medborgs were emagged (it was the AI)
Here is the one experience i had with him
>Latejoin detective early in the round
>He's rushing the armory for riot armor to "buff his grappling"
>I go investigate and find a heretic rift with a blood pool and black gloves in cargo
>15 minutes later i say that I suspect that the heretic is a cargonian
>He immediately convinces the HoS to do random searches with him in cargo
>Heretic is the first person random searches
>He pulls off an impressive feat in killing and keeping him stunlocked with tackles and a bola (and a throwing star on top)
>Sometime later HoS random search the entire medical department because medborgs were emagged (it was the AI)
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Now that the logs are posted on the appeal. Holy shit these players are children
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Did you even read the appeal. The guy he gulagged for 1000 points specifically asked for a laser because there was a changeling on the loose. The HoS has nothing to do with it.Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:32 am
Cool but the HOS probably didn't know about the lings roundstart my guy
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Incredibly low reading comprehension. I'm talking about the HOS taking a shotgun roundstart, not the laser gun incident.SkeletalElite wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:13 pmDid you even read the appeal. The guy he gulagged for 1000 points specifically asked for a laser because there was a changeling on the loose. The HoS has nothing to do with it.Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:32 am
Cool but the HOS probably didn't know about the lings roundstart my guy
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Obviously IC conflict.
I hate that admins think they have to point to someone who is "right" and someone who is "wrong" in every IC conflict.
I hate that admins think they have to point to someone who is "right" and someone who is "wrong" in every IC conflict.
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On the one hand this is the worst kind of warden: A gun hoarder and a chain of command ignorer.
On the other hand the secoff should have been tied to a missile and launched into the sun for shooting the warden and breaking into the armory because he didnt get his pew pews as a first recourse.
Note should be clarified to "Against the HOS' instructions" however, because it's not that he didnt involve the HOS as the note implies - according to him the HOS got involved and told him he should let the guy go and he refused. Which is 2x cringe
On the other hand the secoff should have been tied to a missile and launched into the sun for shooting the warden and breaking into the armory because he didnt get his pew pews as a first recourse.
Note should be clarified to "Against the HOS' instructions" however, because it's not that he didnt involve the HOS as the note implies - according to him the HOS got involved and told him he should let the guy go and he refused. Which is 2x cringe
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Peak rpArchie700 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:45 amCode: Select all
03:55:38 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "I..." (178, 130, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway 03:55:42 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "stunned my warden..." (178, 130, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway 03:55:44 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "to shotgunmaxx..." (178, 130, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway 03:55:48 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "some" (176, 130, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway 03:55:54 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "manuel migrate or somethin" (176, 130, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway
Is this an example of when retards collide?
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Warden telling hos off for roundstart shotgunning is my kind of warden. No one else is going to call the hos out for powergaming, so good on him. If he had batoned the HoS to keep him out of armory I would say he was in the wrong, but all he did was ignore a dumb and potentially rule/round breaking order. Telling the lizard sec off no seemed to be more based in frustration on the NRP terry enviroment, which I also find really frustrating to deal with. I imagine if the lizard was able to string three words together the warden wouldn't have said no, and then the dude starts disabler spamming like a twit.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Warden, in an attempt to be a super cool arrpee sec character (which im sure they did after complaining about sec being nrp), disobeyed their commanding officer and also denied lethals for one of the most legitimate reasons you would need them. HOS shouldve asked the rest of the team (who wouldve agreed no doubt) and went through with demotion protocol. If you dont want to be a team player, go detective or something
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- ekaterina
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Noting people for disobeying heads of staff on LRP is... questionable. I'd wager there are varying opinions.Turbonerd wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:37 pm I think the note should be more about disobeying HoS than sending the officer to labour. Sets a bad precedent that wardens can't punish officers for breaking into the armoury as an officer.
HoS and every single officer involved in the armoury tiding should get a ban. This is horrible NRP tiding in order to increase antag hunting efficiency. It fucking sucks that security tides and ruins things in order to hunt an antag. Rule 12 worthy in my opinion. Decreasing RP quality in order to increase valid hunt efficiency id the worst.
This sort of stuff is probably the biggest problem with Terry in my opinion. A lot of security officers, silicon (how the fuck does enabling emergency access prevents human harm after cult gets announced? sounds like it would jave the opposite effect), and command staff tend to assist tiders in tiding because it helps with valid hunting, and it's really terrible.
As to the precedent that wardens can't punish officers for breaking into the armoury, that's a GOOD precedent!
"HoS should get a ban" is the single worst take I've read on this incident.
I'm still not sure whether the warden really deserved a note for this or if it was entirely an IC issue, but I'm leaning towards the note because turning on your fellow sec is a really shit move, bordering on self-antag if not already there.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
I'll quote the worst part of what the warden did for you so you can read the logs easierwesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:20 am Note doesn’t seem fair to me. The warden used the tools they had available to resolve a conflict (ultimately non-lethally) which resulted from imperfect play from EVERYONE.
Is “communicate with your head of staff” a fair and appropriate line to draw on LRP? Yes. The same applies for “dont act like a NRP chimp and tide the wardens office as a sec officer,” “dont disabler spam the warden for denying you a gun,” “dont shock people because you feel like it.”
It’s bizarre to me that rig was brought up on communication of all things considering the many other questionable actions they AND others did throughout the shift. In my eyes this is a clear “you’re all dummies who handled this poorly and can deal with it yourselves” moment.
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04:09:26 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "if you dont let him go" (109, 167, 2) Fore Port Maintenance
04:09:33 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "you are getting demoted to tider" (109, 167, 2) Fore Port Maintenance
04:09:45 SAY TypicalRig/(Porkchop) "Letting him go." (196, 146, 2) Labor Shuttle Dock
04:09:58 GAME TypicalRig/(Porkchop) teleported KickPaw/(Hates-The-Stun) to the Labor Camp (69,32,5) for 1000 points. (196, 146, 2) Labor Shuttle Dock
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
- ekaterina
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
I'm amused at how you portray this as the HoS (the boss) undermining the warden, rather than the warden undermining his boss.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
DAMN. I was wrong, huge loss for uninformed opinion posters todayTearling wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:34 pmI'll quote the worst part of what the warden did for you so you can read the logs easierwesoda25 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:20 am Note doesn’t seem fair to me. The warden used the tools they had available to resolve a conflict (ultimately non-lethally) which resulted from imperfect play from EVERYONE.
Is “communicate with your head of staff” a fair and appropriate line to draw on LRP? Yes. The same applies for “dont act like a NRP chimp and tide the wardens office as a sec officer,” “dont disabler spam the warden for denying you a gun,” “dont shock people because you feel like it.”
It’s bizarre to me that rig was brought up on communication of all things considering the many other questionable actions they AND others did throughout the shift. In my eyes this is a clear “you’re all dummies who handled this poorly and can deal with it yourselves” moment.
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04:09:26 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "if you dont let him go" (109, 167, 2) Fore Port Maintenance 04:09:33 SAY Okpuc/(Swamp Water) "you are getting demoted to tider" (109, 167, 2) Fore Port Maintenance 04:09:45 SAY TypicalRig/(Porkchop) "Letting him go." (196, 146, 2) Labor Shuttle Dock 04:09:58 GAME TypicalRig/(Porkchop) teleported KickPaw/(Hates-The-Stun) to the Labor Camp (69,32,5) for 1000 points. (196, 146, 2) Labor Shuttle Dock
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
200531, that makes more sense. I was in that round, where I vaguely remember hearing something about someone asking where some lizard was and the warden saying he's fine. I didn't really notice those events as I was busy out and about shitseccing up the place, uncovering a four man conspiracy, and being promptly killed seconds after exposing its members to our robust head shitsec. When I went to check logs, however, I saw 200531 (actual round) but not 200535 (the round he listed before).
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
I don't know why anyone would give Finn Saylor the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Dang, I completely agree with LiarGG on everything they said and am surprised that we came to different conclusions despite having functionally the same take on the situation. I feel like they were so close to calling the whole thing an IC issue and letting it go, which is what I think it is. The 1000 points and ignoring the hos is absolutely very high, but it is literally the max punishment in the rules that are supposed to always be an IC issue. Sec off using his disabler on the warden first removes pretty much all protection from non lethal retaliation from the warden IMO. Either way, good break down and analysis of the appeal by LiarGG, just wish they had ruled it an IC issue.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Why do we have a rule about punishment up to 10 min/ 1000 gulag points being IC when admins are just blatantly going to ignore it?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
- ekaterina
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Come again? Guh, I thought it had been the warden to shoot first. This changes things.
Not a lot, actually, but a little.
We don't.
"Brig sentences totaling more than 10 minutes can be adminhelped, as can be gulag or perma sentences or a pattern of illegitimate punishment. "
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
You overestimate ling escape ability. At the moment, because lings expect to be lethaled instead of people using nonlethal equipment, they'll use the much cheaper, much more efficient fleshmend over adrenaline. Adrenaline and biodegrade are both quite expensive and eat into the lings longevity, and have more tells than fleshmend, which has no tells whatsoever because its a status effect. While adrenaline definitely has upsides (the speed for about 15 seconds is hella good), you probably don't need it.BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:40 am Changelings have abilities to shrug off stuns and even handcuffs. Killing the changeling is the only way to guarantee a minute or so of the changeling not escaping while you run to the crematorium.
Unless you're absolutely certain you're fighting a ling, a ling just using fleshmend can withstand a lot of punishment without you being the wiser. The only times this doesn't matter is if you're using overwhelmingly large amounts of damage, around the 50-60 range, which shotguns do pretty much by default, as does a baton which adrenaline currently has no interaction with other than removing knockdowns currently affecting them, not preventing knockdowns if they're still to take effect (like how stun batons work). Extreme damage happening so quickly is usually not much better than a stun. To lean into trends, its better to use rubbershot than lethal shot, and its easier to use batons and bolas than shotguns, because it will consume even more chemicals if they did actually think ahead but now need to resolve that. You can kill at that point.
Schrödinger's Changeling with every conceivable power isn't a reality you need to worry about unless you're absolutely sure the ling has been absorbing every other ling, so just disabling the ling and keeping them cuffed and stamcrit is usually good enough. If you're killing lings with shotguns, you could probably have just use a baton instead. Flashes too, since lings sometimes expose themselves to those with xray vision.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Yes, more than 10 minutes and gulag sentences have always been considered 1 min = 100 points.
It makes sense for permanent gulagging. Saying 10 minutes brig can't be ahelped but 100 gulag points can makes no sense whatsoever.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Yes, it does make sense, actually, because when you get a brig sentence you can use the following little trick: stand up from your chair, go outside, and touch grass, then come back 10 minutes later. When you get a gulag sentence, though, you can't - plus the gulag is broken (unless they've fixed it the past few days) so all gulag sentences are permanent.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
By that reason execution is the ultimate IC issue because you can touch all the grass you want and come back next round.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:30 amYes, it does make sense, actually, because when you get a brig sentence you can use the following little trick: stand up from your chair, go outside, and touch grass, then come back 10 minutes later. When you get a gulag sentence, though, you can't - plus the gulag is broken (unless they've fixed it the past few days) so all gulag sentences are permanent.
I have never ever heard anyone claiming you can ahelp every 100 or 300 point gulag sentence and that it is not an IC issue when the officer is wrong. I doesn't remotely make sense when it is seen as equivalent of the brig.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Based take.
You literally just did.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Terry security at its finest. A gulagnut
Adrenaline sacs is noob bait and anyone that used it as an argument clearly hasn't used it or only used it years ago when it wasn't nerfed. There's a reason flashmend is the preferred meta and nobody goes with adrenaline sacs. The reason is that stun batons and disablers still hard counter it. The haste is alright, but lings can get that for cheaper without sacs. Hell, they can get it essentially for free if they do some chemistry.
Also disobeying your head isn't a noteworthy offense (except on Manuel perhaps?) The same way mutinies are allowed if incompetence is proven, people can disregard head orders for good/bad/no reason. You'll see this happen often on Terry and Sybil with engineers and the CE, RD asking his scientists and roboticist to do projects they don't care about, or the CMO with chemists. Ignoring orders is a reason for demotion, not administrative action. Acting without head permission is an IC issue, an admin PM for such isn't even remotely justifiable. Even if it were, I don't really get why I'm meant to reasonably expect the HoS to discuss a punishment for one of his buddies for tiding the armory when he himself did this roundstart to "shotgunmax". It's a bad faith administrative decision to go through logs like that, see the HoS's actions, see my prior attempt at asking them to leave and explain their emergency and seeing how well that went, and then have the cheek to ask why I didn't try to talk with that same HoS about it. From what prior interactions do I have grounds to believe he's capable of a civil conversation and fair decision making? There were none.
Also disobeying your head isn't a noteworthy offense (except on Manuel perhaps?) The same way mutinies are allowed if incompetence is proven, people can disregard head orders for good/bad/no reason. You'll see this happen often on Terry and Sybil with engineers and the CE, RD asking his scientists and roboticist to do projects they don't care about, or the CMO with chemists. Ignoring orders is a reason for demotion, not administrative action. Acting without head permission is an IC issue, an admin PM for such isn't even remotely justifiable. Even if it were, I don't really get why I'm meant to reasonably expect the HoS to discuss a punishment for one of his buddies for tiding the armory when he himself did this roundstart to "shotgunmax". It's a bad faith administrative decision to go through logs like that, see the HoS's actions, see my prior attempt at asking them to leave and explain their emergency and seeing how well that went, and then have the cheek to ask why I didn't try to talk with that same HoS about it. From what prior interactions do I have grounds to believe he's capable of a civil conversation and fair decision making? There were none.
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