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I try to do what I can to advocate for second chances and, realistically, I don't see an issue with unbanning someone who's been gone for like two years.
People like this guy make me question that mentality.
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:53 pm
I try to do what I can to advocate for second chances and, realistically, I don't see an issue with unbanning someone who's been gone for like two years.
People like this guy make me question that mentality.
Nah, its easy enough to just ban them again.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm
The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:53 pm
I try to do what I can to advocate for second chances and, realistically, I don't see an issue with unbanning someone who's been gone for like two years.
People like this guy make me question that mentality.
Nah, its easy enough to just ban them again.
Guy has a 100% chance to reoffend, you're basically griefing a round by unbanning him
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:53 pm
I try to do what I can to advocate for second chances and, realistically, I don't see an issue with unbanning someone who's been gone for like two years.
People like this guy make me question that mentality.
Nah, its easy enough to just ban them again.
Guy has a 100% chance to reoffend, you're basically griefing a round by unbanning him
After the second time he is obviously not getting unbanned.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm
The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:19 pm
Yeah, but it still bums me out when an admin goes out of their way to give someone a second chance and it ends up being out of malice.
Don't let one act of bad faith go against trusting others.
Anyone that doesn't actually deserve a second chance will very quickly reach the "find out" phase. For someone like this, in record time.
The genuine win these shitters get is when their actions actually change admins or admin team culture. There's a real chance that the lesson taken away from this is "that's what you get for giving people second chances". In Wine's place I would have done the same thing. And I think it's a sign of exceptionally good character that he was willing to gift a second chance in good faith.
I'd hate to think that people taking advantage of my good faith could end up in me losing that trait entirely. Letting shitters occupy space in your head is a rental agreement you'll never get a payoff on.
They got unbanned and then got banned again. They've proven they're not worth giving any more chances to and that's a decision that can be made objectively based on their history now. That's information that not just our server but (thanks to the Centcom Ban DB) every other server can benefit from too.
If they evade, they evade. And they'll get banned again soon enough if they break the rules.
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To be clear, wineallwine wasn't wrong for giving second chances, he should have just read realb better
And frankly, realb's appeal is only sane looking when you don't do your research. He said he was staff, where? That wasn't asked at all, and it certainly should have
Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 6:04 pm
To be clear, wineallwine wasn't wrong for giving second chances, he should have just read realb better
And frankly, realb's appeal is only sane looking when you don't do your research. He said he was staff, where? That wasn't asked at all, and it certainly should have
I think the amount of man hours wasted chasing up ghosts for bans that are going on two years plus in duration is greater than the amount of man hours spent re-banning them.
In a few shifts they gave us more information about whether they should have been unbanned than we could have possibly gained from investigating any vouch or any other lead from some other server.
And now future admins don't need to worry about chasing ghosts either, because the player had the 5 minutes of fame playing out their castortroy LARP session and that's all the info we need to know to dismiss any future appeal from them without even giving it a second thought.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 6:04 pm
To be clear, wineallwine wasn't wrong for giving second chances, he should have just read realb better
And frankly, realb's appeal is only sane looking when you don't do your research. He said he was staff, where? That wasn't asked at all, and it certainly should have
I think the amount of man hours wasted chasing up ghosts for bans that are going on two years plus in duration is greater than the amount of man hours spent re-banning them.
In a few shifts they gave us more information about whether they should have been unbanned than we could have possibly gained from investigating any vouch or any other lead from some other server.
And now future admins don't need to worry about chasing ghosts either, because the player had the 5 minutes of fame playing out their castortroy LARP session and that's all the info we need to know to dismiss any future appeal from them without even giving it a second thought.
Yo true. I still think you could have sussed out this one and we should have done some investigation before just sending it but very true. The cost of seeing if someone changed on live servers is very low and any attempts for people to go clean is well appreciated and should be rewarded
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:53 pm
I try to do what I can to advocate for second chances and, realistically, I don't see an issue with unbanning someone who's been gone for like two years.
People like this guy make me question that mentality.
Where is the real Vekter?
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I went ahead and informed the servers they used as a vouch about their conduct here after getting unbanned. Those servers are free to decide to do.... what ever they want with that info.
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Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:53 pm
I try to do what I can to advocate for second chances and, realistically, I don't see an issue with unbanning someone who's been gone for like two years.
People like this guy make me question that mentality.
Nah, its easy enough to just ban them again.
Guy has a 100% chance to reoffend, you're basically griefing a round by unbanning him
After the second time he is obviously not getting unbanned.
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:53 pm
I try to do what I can to advocate for second chances and, realistically, I don't see an issue with unbanning someone who's been gone for like two years.
People like this guy make me question that mentality.
Nah, its easy enough to just ban them again.
Guy has a 100% chance to reoffend, you're basically griefing a round by unbanning him
After the second time he is obviously not getting unbanned.
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:04 pm
I went ahead and informed the servers they used as a vouch about their conduct here after getting unbanned. Those servers are free to decide to do.... what ever they want with that info.
Thanks, I was so incandescent with rage I almost asked you to blacklist them but this helps
Naloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lol
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑
I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑
ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:
Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 6:04 pm
To be clear, wineallwine wasn't wrong for giving second chances, he should have just read realb better
And frankly, realb's appeal is only sane looking when you don't do your research. He said he was staff, where? That wasn't asked at all, and it certainly should have
To be fair he also mentioned he wanted to try tg again "with the questionable people" which sounds like we are the tradeoff
joooks wrote:
Naloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lol
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑
I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑
ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:
Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.
cybersaber101 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:35 am
I hope this guy receives mental help.
hes german hes already mentally diseased
source: i am german
joooks wrote:
Naloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lol
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑
I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑
ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:
Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.
chocolate_bickie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:53 am
I totally remember REALB from TGMC from like 6-12 months ago.
For real does he not think this ban will get mirror'd to there?
TGMC usually doesn't mirror bans from tgstation UNLESS the issue is with doxxing or grooming.
(Or I go into their admin channel and link this peanut with absolutely no comment)
Like for real, if you are gonna try to use other servers as a reference to get unbanned, then admit you did it in bad faith intending to earn a new permaban, don't be shocked when those other servers hear about the obvious griefing and decide they don't want to risk you doing the same on their server. Doubly so when one of them is tg affiliated
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This is incredibly fucking funny. I feel bad for the admins though. Don't let this change your judgement for second chances. Some people are just victims of bad parenting.
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Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm
I don't care if you disagree, you're wrong.
yttriums wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am
borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it
dendydoom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:02 pm
basically what we learned from this is that i continue to be right about everything
chocolate_bickie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:53 am
I totally remember REALB from TGMC from like 6-12 months ago.
For real does he not think this ban will get mirror'd to there?
TGMC usually doesn't mirror bans from tgstation UNLESS the issue is with doxxing or grooming.
(Or I go into their admin channel and link this peanut with absolutely no comment)
Like for real, if you are gonna try to use other servers as a reference to get unbanned, then admit you did it in bad faith intending to earn a new permaban, don't be shocked when those other servers hear about the obvious griefing and decide they don't want to risk you doing the same on their server. Doubly so when one of them is tg affiliated
I wish I could say no one else would do something this stupid, but that would be a blatant lie, because lots of shitters would do this.
Harusha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:07 pm
Archie, are you a Christian?
chocolate_bickie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:53 am
I totally remember REALB from TGMC from like 6-12 months ago.
For real does he not think this ban will get mirror'd to there?
TGMC usually doesn't mirror bans from tgstation UNLESS the issue is with doxxing or grooming.
(Or I go into their admin channel and link this peanut with absolutely no comment)
Like for real, if you are gonna try to use other servers as a reference to get unbanned, then admit you did it in bad faith intending to earn a new permaban, don't be shocked when those other servers hear about the obvious griefing and decide they don't want to risk you doing the same on their server. Doubly so when one of them is tg affiliated
I wish I could say no one else would do something this stupid, but that would be a blatant lie, because lots of shitters would do this.
He ERPs on a game with 16 bit unanimated sprite graphics, he is 100% that stupid.
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:53 pm
I try to do what I can to advocate for second chances and, realistically, I don't see an issue with unbanning someone who's been gone for like two years.
People like this guy make me question that mentality.
Nah, its easy enough to just ban them again.
Guy has a 100% chance to reoffend, you're basically griefing a round by unbanning him
After the second time he is obviously not getting unbanned.
you ever hear the story of 22beard?
I was literally thinking of this exact person as I was reading this thread.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am
From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
giving people second chances solely because it's been X amount of time is a bit of a 2015-era take when there were only like 3 servers worth their salt.
You can literally have your "second chance" playing tg by just joining a pretty-much tg server and getting a vouch. The idea admins should have to babysit servers because they knowingly let a "high risk" guy on seems very silly when the alternative is just have them play on a near-identical server and do everything they were suppose to do on this one. The worst that happens is
1. they end up liking that server more, which is fine because its not like we "lost" them to begin with as they were already banned.
2. They dont do anything and just stay banned.
3. They grief that server too and just stay banned.
None of these options put our "good" players at risk of having their round ruined or in this case being daddy's kitten or whatever.
Obv subject to change if the initial ban was a bit of an eye roller, but for a genuine "omg u were a pos" ban I do not see why some individuals have this approach. We arent the only (tg) server anymore you can take advantage of that reality.
Cobby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:02 pm
giving people second chances solely because it's been X amount of time is a bit of a 2015-era take when there were only like 3 servers worth their salt.
You can literally have your "second chance" playing tg by just joining a pretty-much tg server and getting a vouch. The idea admins should have to babysit servers because they knowingly let a "high risk" guy on seems very silly when the alternative is just have them play on a near-identical server and do everything they were suppose to do on this one. The worst that happens is
1. they end up liking that server more, which is fine because its not like we "lost" them to begin with as they were already banned.
2. They dont do anything and just stay banned.
3. They grief that server too and just stay banned.
None of these options put our "good" players at risk of having their round ruined or in this case being daddy's kitten or whatever.
Obv subject to change if the initial ban was a bit of an eye roller, but for a genuine "omg u were a pos" ban I do not see why some individuals have this approach. We arent the only (tg) server anymore you can take advantage of that reality.
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Cobby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:02 pm
giving people second chances solely because it's been X amount of time is a bit of a 2015-era take when there were only like 3 servers worth their salt.
You can literally have your "second chance" playing tg by just joining a pretty-much tg server and getting a vouch. The idea admins should have to babysit servers because they knowingly let a "high risk" guy on seems very silly when the alternative is just have them play on a near-identical server and do everything they were suppose to do on this one. The worst that happens is
1. they end up liking that server more, which is fine because its not like we "lost" them to begin with as they were already banned.
2. They dont do anything and just stay banned.
3. They grief that server too and just stay banned.
None of these options put our "good" players at risk of having their round ruined or in this case being daddy's kitten or whatever.
Obv subject to change if the initial ban was a bit of an eye roller, but for a genuine "omg u were a pos" ban I do not see why some individuals have this approach. We arent the only (tg) server anymore you can take advantage of that reality.
The general idea behind "X amount of time" was that after "X amount of time", they would come back more mature, admit their behavior was shit, and behave better in the server, with the appeal to demonstrate remorse and redemption.
Of course that means there is always the risk that they would just relapse to their old behaviors, resulting in a second perma with harsher requirements for reappeal.
Harusha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:07 pm
Archie, are you a Christian?
You don’t have to roll the dice though you can let them test run their behavior on (not your server) if they want to play so badly. It’s not foolproof but it makes a lot more sense than to just let someone who hasn’t played for a year but was a real obnoxious mofo come back simply because they “matured”, with your only proof of that being that time passed.