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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33698It was bound to happen, eventually.
this is what I mean, sats are so obscure on what they actually do, I genuinely had no clue they had an emag state.chocolate_bickie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:16 pmI honestly thought meteor shields didn't even workDevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:39 pmgiven that meteor shields dont "stop functioning" when emagged, they still destroy meteors,
emagging them just increases the weight, no extra damage was caused by the catastrophic that came after my emagging.
it is literally a jumpscare thing to command for a fast evac incase they do fail, but if I recall properly, I purchased 7 boxes of sats, each with 3 in
Just to confirm, you have tested that they give no message before this PR??
An admin tested on centcom for me, and found out that the message does in fact show. I've added ANOTHER message in the form of a bloon alert so it 100% cannot happen again as a mistakeDevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:27 pmJust to confirm, you have tested that they give no message before this PR??
Shows with a multi?Armhulen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:29 pmAn admin tested on centcom for me, and found out that the message does in fact show. I've added ANOTHER message in the form of a bloon alert so it 100% cannot happen again as a mistakeDevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:27 pmJust to confirm, you have tested that they give no message before this PR??
Full on in chatDevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:31 pmShows with a multi?Armhulen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:29 pmAn admin tested on centcom for me, and found out that the message does in fact show. I've added ANOTHER message in the form of a bloon alert so it 100% cannot happen again as a mistakeDevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:27 pmJust to confirm, you have tested that they give no message before this PR??
or shows in chat, because I do not recall seeing it in chat
in this thread wrote:I genuinely had no clue they had an emag state.
Like, I don't get the impression you did it in bad faith- I think you were curious and wanted to test it- but things like this make it easier for that impression to change. You definitely had some kind of clue that it had an emag state; you just ignored that clue entirely because it "could be outdated information".in the appeal wrote:After I emagged the sats, I do not recall if another meteor storm hit, however, it was not to my knowledge that emagging the shield sats actually still caused meteors to have a higher chance of happening, I thought it was old code due to the outdated wiki.
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Nah, man.Constellado wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:37 pm The BSA needs an emagged state. It could go: Blam! Blows target and the user up.
Even if that is true the issue of taking the emag from sec still stands.
There's some problems here, though.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:23 pm Not sure why the alert matters, if they only emagged one shield then the alert would be given afterwards, so they could very well not have known before.
it seems at least believable they would’ve thought it was just flavortext on a defunct feature.
Also if the meteor shield was fully assembled one might think it would just increase the amount of meteors being destroyed instead of pose an actual risk.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
Yes, which, is what I learnt the hard way to actually be true
Right… But you have a shield against meteors. Doesn’t it delete the meteors without sustaining any damage? I’m not exactly sure how they work but it’s a fair assumption.datorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:39 pm There's some problems here, though.
That alert tells you that it increases the chance of meteor strikes happening. A meteor shield puts up a shield against meteors. I don't see how that could be misunderstood.
That's my understanding to how they work, but even without Arm coming in and saying that they don't work after being emagged: how does extra meteors being flung at the station become a positive thing? At best it's a not-negative thing, because it bonks harmlessly against the shield but we don't see any real benefit from it. Why would you risk the meteor shield failing, or the meteor missing the shield entirely and smashing into the hull, or one of the admins getting sick of your "nonantag emagging meteor shield" shit and deleting one(you wouldn't get in trouble for this, but it's a possibility), or someone further sabotaging the shields during a storm? All it takes is one lucky meteor slipping through to break a powerline and widen the gap, yeah?sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:03 pm Right… But you have a shield against meteors. Doesn’t it delete the meteors without sustaining any damage? I’m not exactly sure how they work but it’s a fair assumption.
One would think if the station is fully shielded, you could stand to increase the frequency of the meteors without any negative things happening. You might be wrong, but that’s at least a good faith assumption.
A lot of the shields were already emagged, according to the appeal. I'm going to take OP at his word(because I don't want to log-dive) and say that only those 14 were emagged, making for 16 functional meteor shields if his math checks out. Why only two? Good question. At best, he was trying to rein in his curiosity and just test it. At worst, it was for plausible deniability; It's a lot easier to miss two messages in chat than sixteen. I can only speculate at his reasons for not emagging more shields.If their intention was purely to grief (if it’s a permaban clearly that’s what the admin believes), why didn’t they emag more than two? Why didn’t they disable the meteor shields after?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
My brother in christ, when I first found out shoving forks into electrical outlets was a thing, I did not shove a fork into an electrical outlet directly afterwards because "this is the first time I have ever seen someone shove a fork into an electrical outlet"DevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:04 pm Again, this is the first time I have ever seen the sats actually be emagged in like, 4 years of playing this game/codebase
Eh, having looked at meteor shields a lot in my time, there really is terrible communication from it as a machine. I think Chip should have known better but at the same time I could see excusing itTheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:42 pmMy brother in christ, when I first found out shoving forks into electrical outlets was a thing, I did not shove a fork into an electrical outlet directly afterwards because "this is the first time I have ever seen someone shove a fork into an electrical outlet"DevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:04 pm Again, this is the first time I have ever seen the sats actually be emagged in like, 4 years of playing this game/codebase
Let an emagged one target suit sensors but also have a 15% chance to explode on use.Constellado wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:37 pmThe BSA needs an emagged state. It could go: Blam! Blows target and the user up.DevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:24 pm
I learnt alot of my engineering ICly, mostly from one/two people and had to handle the rest on my own.
I rarely get antag and when I do, I wouldn't even think that the sats do anything, the vault doesnt, the bsa doesnt, so why would the sats?
Even if that is true the issue of taking the emag from sec still stands.
No this is still absurd, there's no excuse for it, if you find out that an emag does something, you shouldnt go ahead and test it when you're a non-antag. The argument shouldn't be whether or not it was ok because Chip didn't know using the emag on a meteor shild upped the meteor chance, the argument should be why he was using an emag on a meteor shield as a non-antag to begin with
I understand having the emag as a non antag is an issue.TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:46 pmNo this is still absurd, there's no excuse for it, if you find out that an emag does something, you shouldnt go ahead and test it when you're a non-antag. The argument shouldn't be whether or not it was ok because Chip didn't know using the emag on a meteor shild upped the meteor chance, the argument should be why he was using an emag on a meteor shield as a non-antag to begin with
Emphasis on carry, not use. I don't think having the emag is an issue, I think using the emag totally is though. You had no reason to, and your defense is "well I didn't know what would happen", which is absurd, if you weren't sure why did you do itDevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:11 am I have seen plenty of people carry "soft" contraband such as emags for EORG
I genuinely thought it did nothing, untill I checked logs while making my appeal.TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:16 amEmphasis on carry, not use. I don't think having the emag is an issue, I think using the emag totally is though. You had no reason to, and your defense is "well I didn't know what would happen", which is absurd, if you weren't sure why did you do itDevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:11 am I have seen plenty of people carry "soft" contraband such as emags for EORG
DevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:20 am I genuinely thought it did nothing, untill I checked logs while making my appeal.
I had absolutely no idea that it did
I know that I write a lot when I'm in the mood, but man. This stinks.DevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:50 pm After I emagged the sats, I do not recall if another meteor storm hit, however, it was not to my knowledge that emagging the shield sats actually still caused meteors to have a higher chance of happening, I thought it was old code due to the outdated wiki. Evidence of such can be found in random spots on the wiki, such as the cult guide to use a "construction necklace"
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
Of all the ways this delightfully spicy peanut could've developed, I did not expect "Gung baits someone into using the peanut to incriminate themselves for the third time" to be it.CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:07 pmThis peanut is delightfully spicy already, I look forward to seeing how it's developed when I wake up.Armhulen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:05 pmWell, I was GOING to clarify with an examine what the emagged sat was doing but whooop de doo it plainly says exactly what it does when you emag it
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
From what I understand, it was more of a combo of various reasons than just an emag moment, he was on thin ice before this incident.
No Devin, you're just a shitter. Get a clue.this game has a VERY toxic part to its community and the OOC comments made towards myself as of late prove this greatly
I quite literally had a player, tell me to kill myself OOC for, doing my job as a security officer.
Did you ahelp itDevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:29 pm I quite literally had a player, tell me to kill myself OOC for, doing my job as a security officer.
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
If what you said is true about you wanting to take a break for your mental health and the ban being a bless in disguise, I suggest not coming back to this thread specifically (which is tough, I know, the lil new post red flag makes it tempting) and actually taking a break. And I don't mean this as "Take a hike, kid", I genuinely mean take some time to focus on something different.DevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:29 pmI quite literally had a player, tell me to kill myself OOC for, doing my job as a security officer.
I have no clue who you play ICly and I have no clue who you are. You are quick to judge character considering I have possibly never interacted with you.
Whatever it is you get from putting someone onto blast for, literally no reason, get a grip
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Preach it.conrad wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:39 pmIf what you said is true about you wanting to take a break for your mental health and the ban being a bless in disguise, I suggest not coming back to this thread specifically (which is tough, I know, the lil new post red flag makes it tempting) and actually taking a break. And I don't mean this as "Take a hike, kid", I genuinely mean take some time to focus on something different.DevinXoptoh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:29 pmI quite literally had a player, tell me to kill myself OOC for, doing my job as a security officer.
I have no clue who you play ICly and I have no clue who you are. You are quick to judge character considering I have possibly never interacted with you.
Whatever it is you get from putting someone onto blast for, literally no reason, get a grip
You're already banned. There's no point in being banned and upset/stressed as well.
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
We didn't. It got treated as an unironic call for a mental health check.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
This part also rubbed me the wrong way. Securing an emag from the brig and emagging shield sats is bad because _____ (fill in the blank). Because it causes damage I imagine. If your actions don't cause damage then they're not something you should be banned for surely.
So the ban reason listed in the thread isn't actually the full reason. The full reason, as listed on the public bans page, states that he has a lot of notes and a few bans this month.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:33 am Shouldn't permabans be reserved for the absolute worst of the worst shitters that consistently make rounds they're a part of worse? Already in this appeal it looks like that's just not the case. Why not like a 2 month ban with a vouch? Anything.
(...)
2) the note history. The latter of which is private but I've heard again and again that notes only can justify larger bans when it's related notes, or there's a lot of recent ones.
1. Emagging shield sats not only increases the chance for meteor event, but disable the "meteor protection" function, making the sats completely useless for protecting the station from meteors.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:33 am This part also rubbed me the wrong way. Securing an emag from the brig and emagging shield sats is bad because _____ (fill in the blank). Because it causes damage I imagine. If your actions don't cause damage then they're not something you should be banned for surely.
The same argument could be applied to emagging a sechaler. It's irrelevant whether or not it actually caused damage, the point is that it could've caused damage, and you are a nonantagonist fiddling around with an emag mechanic that may very well do something bad. This argument obviously doesn't work, emagging something is only a bad thing if it causes tangible damage.Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:28 am1. Emagging shield sats not only increases the chance for meteor event, but disable the "meteor protection" function, making the sats completely useless for protecting the station from meteors.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:33 am This part also rubbed me the wrong way. Securing an emag from the brig and emagging shield sats is bad because _____ (fill in the blank). Because it causes damage I imagine. If your actions don't cause damage then they're not something you should be banned for surely.
If it was just increasing meteor chance then it wouldn't be a good sabotage weapon.
2. Emagging machinery in general can range from funny shit (emagging security masks to make the funny shitcurity voicelines), to being helpful for traitors (chem dispensers and booze dispensers producing toxins), to the outright deadly (bots malfunctioning and destroying the station). Playing around with the emag without knowing what can do is at your own peril if you're not an antagonist.
3. The guy thought the wiki was outdated and yet did not ask the admins whether emagging the shield sats will still do anything.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:40 amThe same argument could be applied to emagging a sechaler. It's irrelevant whether or not it actually caused damage, the point is that it could've caused damage, and you are a nonantagonist fiddling around with an emag mechanic that may very well do something bad. This argument obviously doesn't work, emagging something is only a bad thing if it causes tangible damage.Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:28 am1. Emagging shield sats not only increases the chance for meteor event, but disable the "meteor protection" function, making the sats completely useless for protecting the station from meteors.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:33 am This part also rubbed me the wrong way. Securing an emag from the brig and emagging shield sats is bad because _____ (fill in the blank). Because it causes damage I imagine. If your actions don't cause damage then they're not something you should be banned for surely.
If it was just increasing meteor chance then it wouldn't be a good sabotage weapon.
2. Emagging machinery in general can range from funny shit (emagging security masks to make the funny shitcurity voicelines), to being helpful for traitors (chem dispensers and booze dispensers producing toxins), to the outright deadly (bots malfunctioning and destroying the station). Playing around with the emag without knowing what can do is at your own peril if you're not an antagonist.
3. The guy thought the wiki was outdated and yet did not ask the admins whether emagging the shield sats will still do anything.
Which is why it's so odd the damage the meteor shield emagging caused isn't ever brought up.
Also, for what reason would you emag the shield sats other than to cause damage. There is no way someone is purposefully emagging the satellites without ill intentions. It attracts meteors and disables protection; there's no benefit to the station.Pumpkin0 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:46 amMy main concern here is not the actual destruction you may or may not have caused, but the fact that you went out of your way to secure an emag from the brig as a non-antagonist and emag the shield satellites. Despite this, I want to bring you the perspective as well that any shield satellites that are emagged no longer function: They stop shooting down meteors entirely. Even if you had not known that the shield sats could be emagged, or what they would do when emagged, there is no reason you should have pursued doing so as a non-antagonist. There are very, very little things that the emag does that are a net positive to the station - most, if anything, cause very bad things to happen when they're sabotaged. If you were curious about the function of the shield satellites, you should have taken other courses of actions to verify what they do: Checking the code, asking admins, asking other players. You had been told by other members of the command team that emagging them summons more meteors, both before and after you attempted to emag the shield satellite.
EmpressMaia emagging the shield satellites may have caused more damage to the station. However, that does not mean that the issue here is solved: You should not have been, as a non-antagonist, actively seeking out an emag in order to emag important protective parts of the station like this that had a high chance of causing more station sabotage. You said in the peanut that you thought it was the gravity generator that attracted meteors.
I too read the ban appeal.Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:31 pmPumpkin0 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:46 amMy main concern here is not the actual destruction you may or may not have caused, but the fact that you went out of your way to secure an emag from the brig as a non-antagonist and emag the shield satellites. Despite this, I want to bring you the perspective as well that any shield satellites that are emagged no longer function: They stop shooting down meteors entirely. Even if you had not known that the shield sats could be emagged, or what they would do when emagged, there is no reason you should have pursued doing so as a non-antagonist. There are very, very little things that the emag does that are a net positive to the station - most, if anything, cause very bad things to happen when they're sabotaged. If you were curious about the function of the shield satellites, you should have taken other courses of actions to verify what they do: Checking the code, asking admins, asking other players. You had been told by other members of the command team that emagging them summons more meteors, both before and after you attempted to emag the shield satellite.
EmpressMaia emagging the shield satellites may have caused more damage to the station. However, that does not mean that the issue here is solved: You should not have been, as a non-antagonist, actively seeking out an emag in order to emag important protective parts of the station like this that had a high chance of causing more station sabotage. You said in the peanut that you thought it was the gravity generator that attracted meteors.
For the hell of it, to see what it does. Curiosity? Every single action doesn't need to be justified behind layers of logical reasoning. Curiosity isn't really a bad thing unless it causes harm or damage to the station. No where was it mentioned what tangible damage this did. Maybe it destroyed half the station, maybe not a single tile was damaged, I've no clue but that probably should matter.
But the wiki specifically states that emagging the meteor sat does nothing good. I argue that curiosity isn’t a valid reason when the information is right there for you to read.
Besides, even if there’s a chance nothing bad would happen, it still does nothing good in general. It doesn’t help anything at all, and it has the intention of increasing chances in their favor in order to cause destruction to the station. In this case, it is opening themself to being accused of grief.Station Goals wiki page wrote:...unless they're emagged, which will instead significantly increase the chance of meteors!
They can now join the cool kids club with Savannah Ivanov and Marlowe Treeby
I thought we all collectively agreed that notes ARE punishment now. It's 2023 for goodness sakedatorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:39 pm Final note:
Admins: NoTeS aRe NoT a PuNiShMeNt
Also admins: Has many recent notes, some including random bombings, and a few bans during this month as well.
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