A peanut 200 years in the making
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- TheLoLSwat
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A peanut 200 years in the making
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- Epoc
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
in the short time cvs has been hanging out, he seems like a chill dude
in all transparency, i helped him with parts of the appeal to tweak some wording here and there
chatting with him, he did seem genuinely remorseful for what he did
the worst part is that
1) he started on manuel
2) the person who taught him the game taught him toxins first
3) he still had pretty low hours when this whole thing took place
it was like a perfect storm of "how to get a new person banned"
in all transparency, i helped him with parts of the appeal to tweak some wording here and there
chatting with him, he did seem genuinely remorseful for what he did
the worst part is that
1) he started on manuel
2) the person who taught him the game taught him toxins first
3) he still had pretty low hours when this whole thing took place
it was like a perfect storm of "how to get a new person banned"
- BrolyButterfingers
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
I'll be real if someone steals my bombs I am 100% detonating them before they can put them somewhere even more damaging and do it themselves
Every time
Every time
- TheLoLSwat
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
permaban is going to be lifted, so the discussion will likely be on if the sci ban sticks. I think it should be lowered a week or 2 as long as he actually plays, but I understand if the admin would rather him make an appeal for the sciban after getting those hours.
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- TheRex9001
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
Yeah CVS seems like a pretty cool dude, hes been playing TGMC a lot and hanging out in VC. Seems to want to be a part of this community and I think they wont repeat the mistake.
- Pandarsenic
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
As you shouldBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:58 pm I'll be real if someone steals my bombs I am 100% detonating them before they can put them somewhere even more damaging and do it themselves
Every time
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- BrolyButterfingers
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
I'll be honestPandarsenic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:35 amAs you shouldBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:58 pm I'll be real if someone steals my bombs I am 100% detonating them before they can put them somewhere even more damaging and do it themselves
Every time
The ruleset in this regard sucks
If someone runs off with your bombs and detonates them himself you're going to get in trouble for making the bombs regardless. If you detonate them early you can at least hopefully end up blowing up the thief + 1-2 others in a random hallway instead of eating a ban when your stolen bomb blows up the entire brig or the entire medbay. Expecting players to actually be able to weigh this choice (do I detonate or do I not) results in really stinky player behaviours and bad outcomes like this one where a player was trying to mitigate the OOC damage of someone stealing his dangerous shit in a game that is designed with the expectation that sometimes people will steal your dangerous shit.
If we had a better ruleset where this isn't a realistic fear, the player would feel more comfortable reporting it to security as an urgent matter and it would be incorporated into the round better for all involved; the bombmaker doesn't eat a stinky ban/note, the player who stole the bombs now has a narrative they can interact with and security has an interesting new dilemma. Avoiding this kind of enforcement and allowing it to play out IC just seems better for everyone involved.
I think this is a missed opportunity for a fun story to have been the outcome rather than this.
EDIT: I'll also add, this exact same area of interaction is why I am so appreciative of the mass damage/sabotage rules rework for MRP. It removed a lot of stinky outcomes like this one that I think could've just been left as fun stories.
- Thunder11
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
You're not going to get in trouble for someone else stealing and setting off your bombs if you behaved reasonably with them. One of the core tenets of TTV policing is to be reasonable and responsible with live bombs at all times.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:02 amI'll be honestPandarsenic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:35 amAs you shouldBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:58 pm I'll be real if someone steals my bombs I am 100% detonating them before they can put them somewhere even more damaging and do it themselves
Every time
The ruleset in this regard sucks
If someone runs off with your bombs and detonates them himself you're going to get in trouble for making the bombs regardless. If you detonate them early you can at least hopefully end up blowing up the thief + 1-2 others in a random hallway instead of eating a ban when your stolen bomb blows up the entire brig or the entire medbay. Expecting players to actually be able to weigh this choice (do I detonate or do I not) results in really stinky player behaviours and bad outcomes like this one where a player was trying to mitigate the OOC damage of someone stealing his dangerous shit in a game that is designed with the expectation that sometimes people will steal your dangerous shit.
If we had a better ruleset where this isn't a realistic fear, the player would feel more comfortable reporting it to security as an urgent matter and it would be incorporated into the round better for all involved; the bombmaker doesn't eat a stinky ban/note, the player who stole the bombs now has a narrative they can interact with and security has an interesting new dilemma. Avoiding this kind of enforcement and allowing it to play out IC just seems better for everyone involved.
I think this is a missed opportunity for a fun story to have been the outcome rather than this.
EDIT: I'll also add, this exact same area of interaction is why I am so appreciative of the mass damage/sabotage rules rework for MRP. It removed a lot of stinky outcomes like this one that I think could've just been left as fun stories.
They hack into toxins, grab one and run away with it? That's not your fault, you did the responsible thing and kept the bombs in the bomb workplace. You put a bomb down on a table in the hallway to tie your shoelaces? If someone steals that and sets it off you've probably responsible to some extent.
Detonating it "early" is the worst possible advice, now not only are you on the hook if you were not responsible with it in the first place, but also for actively bombing the station, and without even knowing what your target was.
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- BrolyButterfingers
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
The rules are shitty enough about "you're responsible for your own dangerous shit" that it kind of funnels players into this poopy decisionmaking tree where they have to wonder if they're liable and whether they need to do damage control as a resultThunder11 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:33 amYou're not going to get in trouble for someone else stealing and setting off your bombs if you behaved reasonably with them. One of the core tenets of TTV policing is to be reasonable and responsible with live bombs at all times.BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:02 amI'll be honestPandarsenic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:35 amAs you shouldBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:58 pm I'll be real if someone steals my bombs I am 100% detonating them before they can put them somewhere even more damaging and do it themselves
Every time
The ruleset in this regard sucks
If someone runs off with your bombs and detonates them himself you're going to get in trouble for making the bombs regardless. If you detonate them early you can at least hopefully end up blowing up the thief + 1-2 others in a random hallway instead of eating a ban when your stolen bomb blows up the entire brig or the entire medbay. Expecting players to actually be able to weigh this choice (do I detonate or do I not) results in really stinky player behaviours and bad outcomes like this one where a player was trying to mitigate the OOC damage of someone stealing his dangerous shit in a game that is designed with the expectation that sometimes people will steal your dangerous shit.
If we had a better ruleset where this isn't a realistic fear, the player would feel more comfortable reporting it to security as an urgent matter and it would be incorporated into the round better for all involved; the bombmaker doesn't eat a stinky ban/note, the player who stole the bombs now has a narrative they can interact with and security has an interesting new dilemma. Avoiding this kind of enforcement and allowing it to play out IC just seems better for everyone involved.
I think this is a missed opportunity for a fun story to have been the outcome rather than this.
EDIT: I'll also add, this exact same area of interaction is why I am so appreciative of the mass damage/sabotage rules rework for MRP. It removed a lot of stinky outcomes like this one that I think could've just been left as fun stories.
They hack into toxins, grab one and run away with it? That's not your fault, you did the responsible thing and kept the bombs in the bomb workplace. You put a bomb down on a table in the hallway to tie your shoelaces? If someone steals that and sets it off you've probably responsible to some extent.
Detonating it "early" is the worst possible advice, now not only are you on the hook if you were not responsible with it in the first place, but also for actively bombing the station, and without even knowing what your target was.
- WineAllWine
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
They really aren't. If you're behaving in any way reasonably you'll be fine. Just don't give bombs away or make it super easy for someone else to get a-hold of them. And Thunder's right, if you detonate the bomb "early" then you're the only person responsible for the explosionBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:52 am The rules are shitty enough about "you're responsible for your own dangerous shit" that it kind of funnels players into this poopy decisionmaking tree where they have to wonder if they're liable and whether they need to do damage control as a result
- Maxipat
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=33546Just don't give bombs away or make it super easy for someone else to get a-hold of them.
- Armhulen
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
Yeah I would say the relation between you and your bombs is like the relation between a sec officer and someone he just arrested. The sec officer is responsible for his arrest. If his arrest just "ends up dead", it's the seccies fault, just like how someone spends a round making bombs and they "end up detonating"
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:35 amAs you shouldBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:58 pm if someone steals my bombs I am 100% detonating them
Guh! Conflicting admin advice!
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
What're the chances? He asked me to teach him toxins last night.
- Vekter
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
Eh, we've all done stupid shit. Worst case scenario here is that he turns around and does it again and gets banned for it again.
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- Armhulen
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
was a headmin, my advice is to own dafuq up to making a bomb and it going offekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:57 pmPandarsenic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:35 amAs you shouldBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:58 pm if someone steals my bombs I am 100% detonating themGuh! Conflicting admin advice!
I want a headmin ruling!
- Pandarsenic
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Re: A peanut 200 years in the making
blow it up coward no ballsekaterina wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:57 pmPandarsenic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:35 amAs you shouldBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:58 pm if someone steals my bombs I am 100% detonating themGuh! Conflicting admin advice!
I want a headmin ruling!
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