Fresh Blacklist Peanut
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
Sooooo true bestieAwkwardStereo wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 11:25 pm viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33983
what the hell is going on man
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- Timberpoes
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
What's a good headmin term without a mysterious blacklist or two?
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
im sure there was a decent reason, but i suppose the seemingly random nature of a user just being obliterated tends to pique curiosity in people
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
this is the one kind of ban where it’s not our place to dig further
((still looked at the scrubby logs from their last round tho out of curiousity when i first saw the blacklist on pub bans))
((still looked at the scrubby logs from their last round tho out of curiousity when i first saw the blacklist on pub bans))
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
The reason is unlikely to be revealed unless MSO chooses to do so, and the matter is such that I doubt he would then furnish all that much more information than I have.
An important consideration when picking your headmin votes every 6 months is recognising that they will, over the course of their term, be privy to a grand array of information as server leadership that no other people on the server have.
Unfortunately much that happens headmin-side is a black box process. Over any 6 month term we're trusted with a lot of information in confidence, assuming that we're responsible adults that can handle it.
An important consideration when picking your headmin votes every 6 months is recognising that they will, over the course of their term, be privy to a grand array of information as server leadership that no other people on the server have.
Unfortunately much that happens headmin-side is a black box process. Over any 6 month term we're trusted with a lot of information in confidence, assuming that we're responsible adults that can handle it.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I feel that everyone should have the right to know what they are accused of at the very least. Even if its in private he is owed a single explanation and then can remain on the blacklist.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
what justice said
additionally, when was the last time MSO entertained the idea of an unblacklisting? not asking out of any otherwise intent, just curious
additionally, when was the last time MSO entertained the idea of an unblacklisting? not asking out of any otherwise intent, just curious
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
It is entirely possible that Saren was told why he was blacklisted and thinks appealing the ban while lying about it will drum up enough support to cause a problem.JusticeGoat wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:40 am I feel that everyone should have the right to know what they are accused of at the very least. Even if its in private he is owed a single explanation and then can remain on the blacklist.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
This should be handled entirely privately. It's an exceptionally personal matter and shouldn't be publicized
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
This is not the type of thread for a nut. Let's go allergy-free and lock this one.
I consider myself a /tg/station historian. If you're interested in the server history at all, feel free to ask me and I'll try and get you an answer! #ConcurForever
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
Can anyone even confirm that Seren has been told what the reasoning was?
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
bro what the hellVekter wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:52 amIt is entirely possible that Saren was told why he was blacklisted and thinks appealing the ban while lying about it will drum up enough support to cause a problem.JusticeGoat wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:40 am I feel that everyone should have the right to know what they are accused of at the very least. Even if its in private he is owed a single explanation and then can remain on the blacklist.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I'm going to let the thread run for a day or two, but I don't expect much to happen in that time at all as far as this is concerned.Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:06 am This is not the type of thread for a nut. Let's go allergy-free and lock this one.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I'm not sure what you even mean by this? He brings up a point, that maybe the person was talked to?Fikou wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:41 ambro what the hellVekter wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:52 amIt is entirely possible that Saren was told why he was blacklisted and thinks appealing the ban while lying about it will drum up enough support to cause a problem.JusticeGoat wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:40 am I feel that everyone should have the right to know what they are accused of at the very least. Even if its in private he is owed a single explanation and then can remain on the blacklist.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
He doesn't know either way but assumes maliciousness. Unless someone in the knows confirms Seren already knows what happened, why even presume this is some attempt to garner sympathy?JusticeGoat wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:51 amI'm not sure what you even mean by this? He brings up a point, that maybe the person was talked to?
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
2018 - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18094#p417012
Beardbeard was blacklisted and it was lifted because the type of stuff he did just doesn't fit in with a blacklisting, although it was deservant of a server ban. So in terms of actually forgiving someone from the black list that would be the most recent. There's more recent ones where the appealer proved they didn't do whatever they did to deserve a blacklist such as goofball
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
How do these threads always come back to 2beard somehow
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<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I agreeBawhoppennn wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:06 am This is not the type of thread for a nut. Let's go allergy-free and lock this one.
Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:32 pm all you godamn do is whine and complain come up with ideas, stop bitching for christs sake.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I'm not presuming anything. I'm saying it's a possibility. I don't know Saren enough to say either way is possible.NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 2:00 amHe doesn't know either way but assumes maliciousness. Unless someone in the knows confirms Seren already knows what happened, why even presume this is some attempt to garner sympathy?JusticeGoat wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:51 amI'm not sure what you even mean by this? He brings up a point, that maybe the person was talked to?
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I assume it's the usual discord kitten turns out to be a minor resulting in a complete and total ratio for user moment.
ps this is why I don't respond to dm's seriously
ps this is why I don't respond to dm's seriously
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
also ten dollars says it's manuel server or discord related drama.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
Talking to each other instead of playing the game was a mistake, as were metacords.
Return to IRC. Do it, u won't.
Also yeah lock this
Return to IRC. Do it, u won't.
Also yeah lock this
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
rejecting the buttery salty popcorn this thread will create is cowardice POTATOE
- MrStonedOne
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
They have been long banned from both mannycord and tgcord.
but yes, they were a manuel player.
- Capsandi
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
Anyone who wants this thread locked is an empty poster and a coward. 'Reported incident' + existing -cord bans give you a good outline of what happened anyways.
Though my bet is the manuelcord ban was firstly for being a meanie to someone's static
Though my bet is the manuelcord ban was firstly for being a meanie to someone's static
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
He insulted Stargate SG-1 - Instant death in the many eyes of the Stoned One.
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Observer main. Otherwise I play Lucy Trelawney on Manuel.
Observer main. Otherwise I play Lucy Trelawney on Manuel.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
Can the admins confirm Saren has been spoken to directly about this matter?
- Capsandi
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I'm lookin' at the pfps in this thread and I'm thinking we might be back.
We are so back.
Also this dude definitely knows what he did no doubt about that. Can tell just by his prose.
We are so back.
Also this dude definitely knows what he did no doubt about that. Can tell just by his prose.
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
Flatulent wrote:of course you can change religion doing it while islamic however makes you lose your head from happiness
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
Well I hope my byond password is still safe at least. It's my SSN.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:14 am The reason is unlikely to be revealed unless MSO chooses to do so, and the matter is such that I doubt he would then furnish all that much more information than I have.
An important consideration when picking your headmin votes every 6 months is recognising that they will, over the course of their term, be privy to a grand array of information as server leadership that no other people on the server have.
Unfortunately much that happens headmin-side is a black box process. Over any 6 month term we're trusted with a lot of information in confidence, assuming that we're responsible adults that can handle it.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
In exchange for not telling us every detail of this, MSO should tell us something completely unrelated but interesting
How's that deal sound, @MSO?
How's that deal sound, @MSO?
I consider myself a /tg/station historian. If you're interested in the server history at all, feel free to ask me and I'll try and get you an answer! #ConcurForever
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
<KorMobile> you're a hero
[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."
[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.
(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"
OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget
<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
- datorangebottle
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
There's... there's nothing here to peanut about.
Help.
This hurts my brain.
All we have is 'i am banned' and 'tough shit'.
Help.
This hurts my brain.
All we have is 'i am banned' and 'tough shit'.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
Which in itself is disturbing. That any one of us could be randomly blacklisted and not even know why, does that not bother you?
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I play the old man Ricky Paxton, and sometimes the borg Z.E.E.P.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
I hope the banned individual was made aware of why they're shitcanned in the course of this appeal, but if the reason isn't for us to know, it isn't for us to know.
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
You're not owed access to the server.
I mean shit, the gubment / corporations blacklist people from banking services, visas, and airplanes all the time without explanation.
This is the smallest thing to be concerned about in the world today.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
There's no whitelist. When you open up something to the public, it is wrong to single out specific people for no reason.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:00 amYou're not owed access to the server.
I mean shit, the gubment / corporations blacklist people from banking services, visas, and airplanes all the time without explanation.
This is the smallest thing to be concerned about in the world today.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, I'm presenting a rebuttal to your general assertion.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
MrStonedOne wrote: ↑ Im gonna have to quote Ekaterina at you because they ended up saying this better than i would have
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
BeeSting12 wrote: ↑ Kieth4 nonoptimal ranked play nearly results in team loss, facing disciplinary action
- dirk_mcblade
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
The server is someone's property and by definition of it being property they have the right to restrict access to it. It's nice to have transparency but not a requirement.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:25 amThere's no whitelist. When you open up something to the public, it is wrong to single out specific people for no reason.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:00 amYou're not owed access to the server.
I mean shit, the gubment / corporations blacklist people from banking services, visas, and airplanes all the time without explanation.
This is the smallest thing to be concerned about in the world today.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, I'm presenting a rebuttal to your general assertion.
Same principle behind you being able to invite some people into your home doesn't require you to provide a reason to keep some people out.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
If I invite a specific group of people to my home, I expect that group and only that group. That's a whitelist.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:33 amThe server is someone's property and by definition of it being property they have the right to restrict access to it. It's nice to have transparency but not a requirement.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:25 amThere's no whitelist. When you open up something to the public, it is wrong to single out specific people for no reason.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:00 amYou're not owed access to the server.
I mean shit, the gubment / corporations blacklist people from banking services, visas, and airplanes all the time without explanation.
This is the smallest thing to be concerned about in the world today.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, I'm presenting a rebuttal to your general assertion.
Same principle behind you being able to invite some people into your home doesn't require you to provide a reason to keep some people out.
If I have an event in my home open to the public, it would be wrong of me to go around excluding specific people arbitrarily.
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Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:31 pmmight be more true to say they redirect the dogpile most of the time tbqh, like diving heroically onto a grenadekinnebian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:13 pm ekaterina stops threads from becoming dogpiles (...) they just point out logical things to bring up in context of a ban and people get mad at them because they refuse to discuss it
when everyone goes into peanuts already set on what their opinion is ekat's posts are a breath of fresh air
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
That's your personal belief of right and wrong, but that's not a required set of beliefs for everyone.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:34 amIf I invite a specific group of people to my home, I expect that group and only that group. That's a whitelist.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:33 am
The server is someone's property and by definition of it being property they have the right to restrict access to it. It's nice to have transparency but not a requirement.
Same principle behind you being able to invite some people into your home doesn't require you to provide a reason to keep some people out.
If I have an event in my home open to the public, it would be wrong of me to go around excluding specific people arbitrarily.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
blud what are you saying lol its your home you can kick someone out just because you dont like their haircutekaterina wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:34 amIf I invite a specific group of people to my home, I expect that group and only that group. That's a whitelist.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:33 amThe server is someone's property and by definition of it being property they have the right to restrict access to it. It's nice to have transparency but not a requirement.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:25 amThere's no whitelist. When you open up something to the public, it is wrong to single out specific people for no reason.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:00 amYou're not owed access to the server.
I mean shit, the gubment / corporations blacklist people from banking services, visas, and airplanes all the time without explanation.
This is the smallest thing to be concerned about in the world today.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, I'm presenting a rebuttal to your general assertion.
Same principle behind you being able to invite some people into your home doesn't require you to provide a reason to keep some people out.
If I have an event in my home open to the public, it would be wrong of me to go around excluding specific people arbitrarily.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
This is simultaneously completely true and unavoidable while also being an attitude we generally try to shy away from. MSO could run the place like your average darkrp server - he's paying the bills after all, even if the money for that comes from community donations. But the fact that we've always tried to be open and fair in all possible cases means that's not how we do things, so a "We're not even publically stating why you're irrevocably permanently unappealably banned from here" carries some hefty weight when it does in fact happen. The trust built up from years of even-handed transparency is cashed in for us believing in the team for situations like this seems to be, where saying why the banned person is banned could put another community member at risk (That's the only thing I can think of for why the team very occasionally does this)dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:33 amThe server is someone's property and by definition of it being property they have the right to restrict access to it. It's nice to have transparency but not a requirement.ekaterina wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:25 amThere's no whitelist. When you open up something to the public, it is wrong to single out specific people for no reason.dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:00 amYou're not owed access to the server.
I mean shit, the gubment / corporations blacklist people from banking services, visas, and airplanes all the time without explanation.
This is the smallest thing to be concerned about in the world today.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, I'm presenting a rebuttal to your general assertion.
Same principle behind you being able to invite some people into your home doesn't require you to provide a reason to keep some people out.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
i dont give two shits about knowing the juicy drama (as much as my curiosity is piqued) but at the very least the banned person should know why they were banned. ekat is right on principle i think. the argument of “this is MSO’s house he can do whatever he want blah blah” is not remotely interesting. yes, technically MSO can do whatever he wants, but the players of the community can generally just… choose not to play. and what’s the point if players don’t wanna play? not to make a mountain of a mole hill, obviously.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
and also it really wasn’t a decision made by MSO alone, it was vetted by the headmin team. or maybe they disagree but don’t wanna play politics. but from the looks of it, it seems like timber is in favor? /shrug i don’t like the opaqueness of it all
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
As long as you don't do anything borderline illegal or extremely creepy, I imagine you're fine.
E: Also, the people involved are people in the admin team that I trust implicitly, so even if you don't trust them, at least trust me when I say this is being handled properly.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
We don't practice a democracy here, we have the only form of superior governance - a (sometimes) benevolent dictatorship.
It doesn't take a genius to hazard a guess at the reasoning behind witholding blacklisting details.
If it's in the interests of natural justice for an accused to know of what they are being accused of and to see the evidence against them, then the only reason why that wouldn't happen is that it's not in the interersts of some other 3rd party for that information to be revealed and the rights of the others were prioritised over the rights of the accused.
We tend to see this at play in certain evasion appeals. Because evasion is tricky to catch and the admin team has a variety of ways to find evaders that work best when players are ignorant to their existence, precise details of how we catch players evading tend not to revealed in denied evasion appeals. Almost always the interests of the admin team in not having novel or special evasion tracking techniques publicised will outweigh the banned player's right to know what the evidence is against them.
In any given 6 month term the headmin team as a whole can be privy to dox-level information and evidence, private DMs and conversations, information of a private and truly personal nature that serves no purpose being in the public domain. I know far more about the private and personal lives of certain people within our community, including outside of SS13 and tgstation as a whole, than any internet stranger has any right to. That's unfortunately a consequence of my time at the helm as a headmin last year and this year.
Blacklisting tends to fall well into that category of protected, private and personal information. The kind of behaviours and actions that can lead to a player being blacklisted tend to have stakes that are a little higher than spiting the admin team through petty ban evasion attempts. The competing interests are real and all too often can have have real-world consequences depending on which decision paths are chosen.
If there was any even remote prospect of impropriety, I think the community can trust that I would speak up about it. I leak tickets; note and ban histories; and (where necessary) asay/Discord logs in the public interest. I am a battle hardened critic of MSO, especially when it comes to arbitrary and capricious use of his position to punish or silence others. I've often publicly challenged him on his decisions and the reasonings behind his decisions including while being a headmin.
This is not one of those MSO moments. And there is more interest in withholding the full and frank details of precisely why the blacklist was placed over revealing any more than already has been.
It doesn't take a genius to hazard a guess at the reasoning behind witholding blacklisting details.
If it's in the interests of natural justice for an accused to know of what they are being accused of and to see the evidence against them, then the only reason why that wouldn't happen is that it's not in the interersts of some other 3rd party for that information to be revealed and the rights of the others were prioritised over the rights of the accused.
We tend to see this at play in certain evasion appeals. Because evasion is tricky to catch and the admin team has a variety of ways to find evaders that work best when players are ignorant to their existence, precise details of how we catch players evading tend not to revealed in denied evasion appeals. Almost always the interests of the admin team in not having novel or special evasion tracking techniques publicised will outweigh the banned player's right to know what the evidence is against them.
In any given 6 month term the headmin team as a whole can be privy to dox-level information and evidence, private DMs and conversations, information of a private and truly personal nature that serves no purpose being in the public domain. I know far more about the private and personal lives of certain people within our community, including outside of SS13 and tgstation as a whole, than any internet stranger has any right to. That's unfortunately a consequence of my time at the helm as a headmin last year and this year.
Blacklisting tends to fall well into that category of protected, private and personal information. The kind of behaviours and actions that can lead to a player being blacklisted tend to have stakes that are a little higher than spiting the admin team through petty ban evasion attempts. The competing interests are real and all too often can have have real-world consequences depending on which decision paths are chosen.
If there was any even remote prospect of impropriety, I think the community can trust that I would speak up about it. I leak tickets; note and ban histories; and (where necessary) asay/Discord logs in the public interest. I am a battle hardened critic of MSO, especially when it comes to arbitrary and capricious use of his position to punish or silence others. I've often publicly challenged him on his decisions and the reasonings behind his decisions including while being a headmin.
This is not one of those MSO moments. And there is more interest in withholding the full and frank details of precisely why the blacklist was placed over revealing any more than already has been.
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Re: Fresh Blacklist Peanut
tl;dr The only reason Saren might not have been told is if it would've harmed another player in a significant manner, so if he wasn't told, that would be why.
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