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Vekter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 2:43 pm
I need some recommendations on a good shotgun for home defense, if anyone has one. I don't want to have to fiddle with aiming if it's like 4 AM and dark.
Mossberg 500.
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Vekter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 2:43 pm
I need some recommendations on a good shotgun for home defense, if anyone has one. I don't want to have to fiddle with aiming if it's like 4 AM and dark.
Vekter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 2:43 pm
I need some recommendations on a good shotgun for home defense, if anyone has one. I don't want to have to fiddle with aiming if it's like 4 AM and dark.
Vekter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 2:43 pm
I need some recommendations on a good shotgun for home defense, if anyone has one. I don't want to have to fiddle with aiming if it's like 4 AM and dark.
I'll second the Mossberg 500 series (590's are nice). Personally, though, I'd go with a rifle or pistol for home defense. If you're worried about aiming, stick a red dot on it. Assuming you're considering buckshot for the HD load, know that the spread can pepper all sorts of things that you're not intending to hit.
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Vekter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 2:43 pm
I need some recommendations on a good shotgun for home defense, if anyone has one. I don't want to have to fiddle with aiming if it's like 4 AM and dark.
I'll second the Mossberg 500 series (590's are nice). Personally, though, I'd go with a rifle or pistol for home defense. If you're worried about aiming, stick a red dot on it. Assuming you're considering buckshot for the HD load, know that the spread can pepper all sorts of things that you're not intending to hit.
I'd rather hit my stuff and the invader than just my stuff.
Plus, there's a psychological aspect to a shotgun. Nothing puts the hairs on your neck on end like the sound of a shotgun slide being racked. If that's enough to scare him off, then we're good.
Vekter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 2:43 pm
I need some recommendations on a good shotgun for home defense, if anyone has one. I don't want to have to fiddle with aiming if it's like 4 AM and dark.
I'll second the Mossberg 500 series (590's are nice). Personally, though, I'd go with a rifle or pistol for home defense. If you're worried about aiming, stick a red dot on it. Assuming you're considering buckshot for the HD load, know that the spread can pepper all sorts of things that you're not intending to hit.
I'd rather hit my stuff and the invader than just my stuff.
Plus, there's a psychological aspect to a shotgun. Nothing puts the hairs on your neck on end like the sound of a shotgun slide being racked. If that's enough to scare him off, then we're good.
Vekter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 2:43 pm
I need some recommendations on a good shotgun for home defense, if anyone has one. I don't want to have to fiddle with aiming if it's like 4 AM and dark.
I'll second the Mossberg 500 series (590's are nice). Personally, though, I'd go with a rifle or pistol for home defense. If you're worried about aiming, stick a red dot on it. Assuming you're considering buckshot for the HD load, know that the spread can pepper all sorts of things that you're not intending to hit.
I'd rather hit my stuff and the invader than just my stuff.
Plus, there's a psychological aspect to a shotgun. Nothing puts the hairs on your neck on end like the sound of a shotgun slide being racked. If that's enough to scare him off, then we're good.
Thirding the Mossberg 500. I always kept it loaded and locked so racking the slide wouldn't have been a psychological factor. They already crossed the rubicon if they've broken into your house.
Test it at the range with your home defense ammo to see its pattern, your spread will likely be about the size of a fist at interior home defense ranges. Also make sure your shotgun has a stock. Stockless shotguns are difficult to aim with.
Also be aware that buckshot will go through a lot of layers of drywall, and birdshot is generally regarded as ineffective. Shotguns might not be the best choice if you have neighbors living within a few dozen feet of you because you could put uninvolved parties at risk.
kinnebian wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:40 am
id honestly rather just be robbed then kill someone
Not a gun owner, but I'm pretty sure the intention isn't to kill people (and also killing people while your life isn't on the line is illegal in most states, Florida being an exception) but rather to scare them off, or hold them in place while you call the police.
Obviously this isn't the case for all those especially bloodthirsty gun-owners, but I think its unfair that the only reason one would have a gun in their house was if they wanted to kill someone.
A non-zero percentage of armed robberies end with the victim being shot in the head after.
That said in the vast majority of cases it would be a HORRIBLE idea to draw your gun, even if you're carrying.
Say you have, like, a 50% chance of whipping it out before they can shoot you (that would be VERY high), and maybe like a 5% chance they shoot you even if you comply. Bad odds.
EVEN STILL, if you live in a high-crime area, it can protect you from a minority of situations where it WOULD actually help. I.e., you're with a friend and they're being mugged/raped/whatever. Maybe there's a street fight or barfight you find yourself in -- any numbers of scenarios. The best defense to *chu-chick* "Give me your wallet" is yes sir/yes ma'am though
mindstormy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:57 pm
I just found the perfect home defense item from my local gun store. It's also on sale for the holiday weekend!!
oranges wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 10:13 pm
mfw americans need guns to feel safe in their own homes lol third world
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oranges wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 10:13 pm
mfw americans need guns to feel safe in their own homes lol third world
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oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
americans when they dont understand germ theory (they cant see it so it must not exist)
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 5:04 pm
A non-zero percentage of armed robberies end with the victim being shot in the head after.
That said in the vast majority of cases it would be a HORRIBLE idea to draw your gun, even if you're carrying.
Say you have, like, a 50% chance of whipping it out before they can shoot you (that would be VERY high), and maybe like a 5% chance they shoot you even if you comply. Bad odds.
EVEN STILL, if you live in a high-crime area, it can protect you from a minority of situations where it WOULD actually help. I.e., you're with a friend and they're being mugged/raped/whatever. Maybe there's a street fight or barfight you find yourself in -- any numbers of scenarios. The best defense to *chu-chick* "Give me your wallet" is yes sir/yes ma'am though
financially speaking unless you're carrying thousands of dollars in cash it's not worth the financial/emotional headache a self defense shooting would likely result in. unless of course you're actually scared for your life or the guy is gonna do harm to you
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oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
americans when they dont understand germ theory (they cant see it so it must not exist)
It's pretty cool how covid apparently no longer exists after three years judging by how people behave now. I guess viruses only exist for as long as it takes people to get tired of wearing masks or certain politicians get voted out.
oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
americans when they dont understand germ theory (they cant see it so it must not exist)
Yeah its kind of bullshit we have to rely on our immune system to fight diseases we cant even see when you guys can just fist fight the virion particles 1 on 1
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 5:04 pm
A non-zero percentage of armed robberies end with the victim being shot in the head after.
That said in the vast majority of cases it would be a HORRIBLE idea to draw your gun, even if you're carrying.
Say you have, like, a 50% chance of whipping it out before they can shoot you (that would be VERY high), and maybe like a 5% chance they shoot you even if you comply. Bad odds.
EVEN STILL, if you live in a high-crime area, it can protect you from a minority of situations where it WOULD actually help. I.e., you're with a friend and they're being mugged/raped/whatever. Maybe there's a street fight or barfight you find yourself in -- any numbers of scenarios. The best defense to *chu-chick* "Give me your wallet" is yes sir/yes ma'am though
financially speaking unless you're carrying thousands of dollars in cash it's not worth the financial/emotional headache a self defense shooting would likely result in. unless of course you're actually scared for your life or the guy is gonna do harm to you
You're not supposed to shoot in self defense unless you have a reasonable fear of death or grave injury (some of the criteria for that I've seen discussed is they have a weapon or they have you down on the ground where they could then proceed to start stomping you, meaning the ground or other hard surfaces you're placed against are effectively a weapon that could be used against you), so that covers the last sentence you mentioned.
Some states allow it for defense of property as well. That's something I'd be more hesitant to face a jury over, though.
oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
americans when they dont understand germ theory (they cant see it so it must not exist)
It's pretty cool how covid apparently no longer exists after three years judging by how people behave now. I guess viruses only exist for as long as it takes people to get tired of wearing masks or certain politicians get voted out.
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oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
americans when they dont understand germ theory (they cant see it so it must not exist)
Yeah its kind of bullshit we have to rely on our immune system to fight diseases we cant even see when you guys can just fist fight the virion particles 1 on 1
americans when you explain how to defeat public health emergencies (they dont get it because public health sounds like socialism)
oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm
Bawhoppen when the state might take a percentage of his income to give him free healthcare and education.
enjoy that free chinese healthcare bro hope you managed to hoard enough plain rice in your hobbit hole when they decide to weld your round door shut to spook the gweilo into turning off the economy for a few years
americans when they dont understand germ theory (they cant see it so it must not exist)
Yeah its kind of bullshit we have to rely on our immune system to fight diseases we cant even see when you guys can just fist fight the virion particles 1 on 1
americans when you explain how to defeat public health emergencies (they dont get it because public health sounds like socialism)
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