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Hello fellow redditors, I'm out of the loop on a certain matter and I require your help. I wanna know what's the deal with PR #75785. Why is it so controversial? Why do you hate (or love) it? And why does the author feel they have been gaslit by their detractors? Only big chungus 100 wholesome keanu reeves answers please.r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
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Look at the posts above you. We're going into the MODERN ERA with a megaproject involving tons of coders and spriters working together. It's going to be yuger than yuge. It's going to make us look like we're a 30 dollar game on steam god dammit
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Jesus this clusterfuck is all anyone is talking about (not the sprites the topic).
The sprites are fine, yeah 'The wallening' is making a lot of people mad, but Orange has already said it's happening and he's not gonna stop it. The spriter isn't to blame, they are just working on something that's going to happen no matter what.
Should they be open to feedback? Only if it's constructive.
Anyway just wanted to say something before MSO locks this like he did with sprite-club.
The sprites are fine, yeah 'The wallening' is making a lot of people mad, but Orange has already said it's happening and he's not gonna stop it. The spriter isn't to blame, they are just working on something that's going to happen no matter what.
Should they be open to feedback? Only if it's constructive.
Anyway just wanted to say something before MSO locks this like he did with sprite-club.
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Just wanted to say to anyone who is feeling gaslit, you are not crazy: these sprites are not really that good
(The trick to knowing if you dislike something just because it's new vs because it's bad, is to imagine if you already had that thing for years, and then it got changed to the thing it actually was for years- then you can see if you just liked it because it was familiar, or because it's actually better)
(The trick to knowing if you dislike something just because it's new vs because it's bad, is to imagine if you already had that thing for years, and then it got changed to the thing it actually was for years- then you can see if you just liked it because it was familiar, or because it's actually better)
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The bounce at the end looks more like it's lagging but otherwise this looks very cool
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:33 pmwell thats the fuckin idea! Ignore the visual bug with the black void on this picture and you get an idea of where we're going
HONESTLY this is only happening because the crates came first. If the crate resprite was pr'd to the wallening branch (WHICH EXISTS) there wouldn't be an issue.
It's going to be very cool (and don't worry, you'll be able to see below the walls if you need to).
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Training people to be aggressive when they respond to criticism is, bar NONE, the worst thing you can do when it comes to taking criticism to begin with, because people will take any, and I mean ANY, aggressive response to criticism as an attack on them and respond accordingly, escalating the aggressiveness until it just becomes a shouting match.TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:02 am to some extent it's a repeating cycle, we train devs to be aggressive as a defense mechanism, players respond, and it magnifies.
end up self selecting for people who can ignore how others feel, and obviously those people are gonna be kinda crummy at explaining changes/handling criticism, especially to the people screaming at them.
It doesn't matter if the other party is a coder or admin or even a player, the moment you start insulting people or be snarky, you're going to lose any sense of control over how people are going to respond.
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The Wallening is where the codebase is switching from full top-down perspective to 3/5ths. Look at some of Goon's sprites for an example. The benefit is that it allows for more detail and depth and just generally looks better.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:42 pmoh my god, thank you for explaining how i feltArmhulen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:05 pm And I recognize that code and sprite changes are a little different. Classic thing to bring up is sleeper and cloning removals, things players were comfortable with going away but in the end lended to a better experience. In this case, improper considerations were given to the MULE, the creator inflated the issue dramatically, and it's far more taste-based than anything involving design philosophy. New and old crates will work on wallening. WALLENING IS NOT LIVE. I would almost go to the step of revert, but I think things can be improved with changes to the style to make everyone happier with something
also what is the wallening
is it anything like the rumbling because it sounds equally terrifying
The problem is that the maintainers want most of the sprites in the game to already be the correct perspective before moving over to the new walls, so things are going to look a little fucky for a while.
That doesn't justify how /tg/ players tend to go kneejerk on IT'S DIFFERENT SO IT'S BAD with things.
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Oooh I want this so badly
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The moment you dismiss opinions by attacking their motivations or intentions like this you create the toxicity.
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I wouldn't necessarily say I'm attacking their motivations or intentions - I don't think anyone on /tg/ is acting in bad faith when they say they don't like something. I do think a lot of players will automatically side towards disliking change for the sheer sake of it being different. I've seen people say that they don't like it but can't actually come up with a reason as to why, so the only thing I can really imagine is that they don't like it because it's different than what they're used to.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:31 pmThe moment you dismiss opinions by attacking their motivations or intentions like this you create the toxicity.
I also don't think we should dismiss their opinions, but there's a point where the scale and aggressiveness of it gets out of hand, which is what happened here.
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If people were only holding their opinion to be contrarian then the people sucking the dick of the shitty flatcrate sprites would in fact be the bad faith BilliesVekter wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:39 pmI wouldn't necessarily say I'm attacking their motivations or intentions - I don't think anyone on /tg/ is acting in bad faith when they say they don't like something. I do think a lot of players will automatically side towards disliking change for the sheer sake of it being different. I've seen people say that they don't like it but can't actually come up with a reason as to why, so the only thing I can really imagine is that they don't like it because it's different than what they're used to.MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:31 pmThe moment you dismiss opinions by attacking their motivations or intentions like this you create the toxicity.
I also don't think we should dismiss their opinions, but there's a point where the scale and aggressiveness of it gets out of hand, which is what happened here.
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Going to be honest, these crates kinda just don’t fit in. I don’t like ‘em.
The big black outlines make it look unnatural. It just doesn’t fit in seemingly. I would prefer if they would work off of the old sprites instead of making something brand new; no offense to the author.
The big black outlines make it look unnatural. It just doesn’t fit in seemingly. I would prefer if they would work off of the old sprites instead of making something brand new; no offense to the author.
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always been curious, how is this gonna work if you can’t see 50%+ of the tile on the bottom right due to the 3D wall? what’s a character look like standing there?dragomagol wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:32 pmArmhulen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:33 pmwell thats the fuckin idea! Ignore the visual bug with the black void on this picture and you get an idea of where we're going
HONESTLY this is only happening because the crates came first. If the crate resprite was pr'd to the wallening branch (WHICH EXISTS) there wouldn't be an issue.
It's going to be very cool (and don't worry, you'll be able to see below the walls if you need to).
and that chair at the bottom is like completely obscured. i dislike the idea that we have to tradeoff massive visibility for a faux-3D sprite that looks more modern :/
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I don't know how I feel about this "it's gonna look like an actual game" vibe here. Like clearly this has been a huge undertaking from dozens of people so we can't just say get fucked. At the same time I'd dare say there is something soulful about the janky thrown together with tape look that people associate with ss13.
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I promise you there will be no end to the servers that will still offer old walls though I will remind you that every server that just tries to be "tgstation back in the year [when i started playing]" dies incredibly hard.
The big benefit I see is that it's going to immerse people deeper into a roleplaying mood. For example, Flavor traitors does nothing but suggest some ways you could play the round, and I think that helps people break out of the mold of their antag comfort zones. and hey, if you like the rules imposed, maybe you like following the corporation you're hired by. Cool!
The big benefit I see is that it's going to immerse people deeper into a roleplaying mood. For example, Flavor traitors does nothing but suggest some ways you could play the round, and I think that helps people break out of the mold of their antag comfort zones. and hey, if you like the rules imposed, maybe you like following the corporation you're hired by. Cool!
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The reason why this is such a code and sprite collab is because the tops of the walls are fade away when you need to see them. Don't worry, you won't miss anything.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:19 pm always been curious, how is this gonna work if you can’t see 50%+ of the tile on the bottom right due to the 3D wall? what’s a character look like standing there?
and that chair at the bottom is like completely obscured. i dislike the idea that we have to tradeoff massive visibility for a faux-3D sprite that looks more modern :/
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Armhulen come on, we are kin here. Don't you recall those halcyon days of medical getting flooded with freon every round? The money trees and unlimited null crates.
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the "i play dwarf fortress without a tileset" take
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I unironically miss freon, I miss null crates when they weren't done every round. Like, nobody ever had issues with them for years but as time went on people realized they really could just hand an emag to the QM at any time and start an infinite flood of traitor gear. Honestly? Null crates could come back if the unlock condition was harder than "use an emag" and we all know it. There needs to be some kind of thing that prevents it from being something done constantly like the last few months before removal.
Same with gangs. Gangs on release? fun. Gangs when everyone learns there is no downside to just building the dominator behind 5 reinforced walls and bolted doors? Painful. So painful. Preventing people from settling into "every round" gimmicks is key for enjoyment and longevity of features.
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What really grinds my gears about this entire discussion is that people can't say they don't like things without immediately being thrown into the "you only dislike it because it's different".
That generates the precedent that player opinion doesn't matter. And as much as oranges likes to preach it, that's a fucking stupid take. "Player opinion doesn't matter" is exactly how you push players that interact with the community away. Much the same way that you push contributors by attacking them.
There were plenty of direct, objective criticisms on the PR. There was a side by side comparison with points to be discussed. Author just decided to engage cunt drive and dismiss it like it was unimportant while belittling the person that pointed those out.
The crates look like shit. That doesn't mean that everything that's different is bad. The wallening is different, and it's looking fucking sick. I personally love the new lavaland mob sprites. Discussing things like this without taking them personally and having your feweings hurt (or at least hurt enough that you feel you need to lash out like a child) is how you improve.
That generates the precedent that player opinion doesn't matter. And as much as oranges likes to preach it, that's a fucking stupid take. "Player opinion doesn't matter" is exactly how you push players that interact with the community away. Much the same way that you push contributors by attacking them.
There were plenty of direct, objective criticisms on the PR. There was a side by side comparison with points to be discussed. Author just decided to engage cunt drive and dismiss it like it was unimportant while belittling the person that pointed those out.
The crates look like shit. That doesn't mean that everything that's different is bad. The wallening is different, and it's looking fucking sick. I personally love the new lavaland mob sprites. Discussing things like this without taking them personally and having your feweings hurt (or at least hurt enough that you feel you need to lash out like a child) is how you improve.
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I do wish someone respites the crates to handle the feedback: ignoring the feedback will possibly lead to possible backlash down the line.
Perhaps maybe I can learn how to sprite?
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nobody is touching them because of the drama around them. maybe in a months timeEpicgamer545 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:32 pm I do wish someone respites the crates to handle the feedback: ignoring the feedback will possibly lead to possible backlash down the line.
Perhaps maybe I can learn how to sprite?
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they are unlikely to get much more than minor fixes now
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I've seen the answer to this in game development talks. Players are phenomenally good at telling developers when something feels wrong, and this feeling is usually correct. Players are very bad at articulating why this is the case and will often blame things unrelated to the real cause. While you cannot trust a player to tell you why something isnt working, you can definitely trust them to tell you when something isnt working.
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I did a minor change to one of the crates (the cross on top of the medical crate), you can probably get away with minor stuff but nothing too big.kinnebian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:36 pmnobody is touching them because of the drama around them. maybe in a months timeEpicgamer545 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:32 pm I do wish someone respites the crates to handle the feedback: ignoring the feedback will possibly lead to possible backlash down the line.
Perhaps maybe I can learn how to sprite?
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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i was just reminded of flightsuits
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There wouldn't be drama around them if they were better.
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As one of the only contrarians to downvote the cratening and one of the few to upvote the wowie crates, i think the new crates are based. The cratening made crates look worse, now with wowie crates they are much better. The angle looks much better and they actually look big enough to fit stuff now. The details of the crates are much better, the handle and lock looks amazing compared to the old handle that wasn't even sprited correctly? the handle just stayed down? And it just looked bad in general being a pixelated curve. Now the handle goes up with the crate and is super cool and even has the lock attached to it. My only complaint is the black lines on the edges dont look good with some crates. And the color choice of black for the electrical crate is odd. The freezer looks super cool though I dont know why people disliked that one in particular the freezer looked pretty bad before.
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i swear to god some of those crates are off center and its bugging the shit out of me
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I genuinely cannot tell if this is ironic, a shitpost, or actually serious.BlueMemesauce wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:47 pm As one of the only contrarians to downvote the cratening and one of the few to upvote the wowie crates, i think the new crates are based. The cratening made crates look worse, now with wowie crates they are much better. The angle looks much better and they actually look big enough to fit stuff now. The details of the crates are much better, the handle and lock looks amazing compared to the old handle that wasn't even sprited correctly? the handle just stayed down? And it just looked bad in general being a pixelated curve. Now the handle goes up with the crate and is super cool and even has the lock attached to it. My only complaint is the black lines on the edges dont look good with some crates. And the color choice of black for the electrical crate is odd. The freezer looks super cool though I dont know why people disliked that one in particular the freezer looked pretty bad before.
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you should, everyone shouldSuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:36 pmi dont play dwarf fortress
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LSuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:36 pmi dont play dwarf fortress
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Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
if only they would actually go, instead of just hanging around complaining about how bad things are now.
if they actually put their money where their mouth was and left people might actually believe them for once.
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
I love crates, crates and crate acessories
now wheres our forklift for the crates
now wheres our forklift for the crates
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Ticky tocky goes clocky, you did an icky ocky!
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
coming soon, along with a forklift licenseInfiniteGalaxies wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:03 am I love crates, crates and crate acessories
now wheres our forklift for the crates
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
thats what the power loader is forInfiniteGalaxies wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:03 am I love crates, crates and crate acessories
now wheres our forklift for the crates
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
forklift is cooler cause space osha violationsSuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:22 amthats what the power loader is forInfiniteGalaxies wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:03 am I love crates, crates and crate acessories
now wheres our forklift for the crates
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Ticky tocky goes clocky, you did an icky ocky!
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
i'll violate your osha with my clampsInfiniteGalaxies wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:22 amforklift is cooler cause space osha violationsSuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:22 amthats what the power loader is forInfiniteGalaxies wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:03 am I love crates, crates and crate acessories
now wheres our forklift for the crates
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
dont pretend like you play dwarf fortress
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
That was in response to the author calling him a Russian, which these days is almost as bad. Not saying it's right to compare him to a Nazi but keep in mind who started it.Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:11 pmSomeone literally compared the PR author to a Nazi but okayBeeSting12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:16 amI honestly don't see much cuntiness toward the author in the PR until near the end. If anything the author started the cuntiness with the line about Russians while responding to someone giving valid feedback.
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Please bring back gangs. Some of my favorite ss13 memories happened during gangs rounds.Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:02 pmI unironically miss freon, I miss null crates when they weren't done every round. Like, nobody ever had issues with them for years but as time went on people realized they really could just hand an emag to the QM at any time and start an infinite flood of traitor gear. Honestly? Null crates could come back if the unlock condition was harder than "use an emag" and we all know it. There needs to be some kind of thing that prevents it from being something done constantly like the last few months before removal.
Same with gangs. Gangs on release? fun. Gangs when everyone learns there is no downside to just building the dominator behind 5 reinforced walls and bolted doors? Painful. So painful. Preventing people from settling into "every round" gimmicks is key for enjoyment and longevity of features.
God I miss freon. Removed because it was laggy and crashy too, not because people hated it. I loved turning the station into a winter wonderland, it felt like a real unique deadly environment condition.
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
lmao the spriter's digg posting is even trashier than his Discord posting and he's being such a fucking prick that now I'm strictly opposed to the sprites just because he's such a doink
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
Can we have a picture of these crates IN the wallening? So we can see what it looks like?
I thought the crates before this one was made for the wallening?
I need to see!!!
Lets see them in their intended habitat.
I thought the crates before this one was made for the wallening?
I need to see!!!
Lets see them in their intended habitat.
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fased and eonpilled i'm talking about the OLD ORIGINAL FREON
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Re: r/OutOfTheLoop: The New Cratening
If you figure out how to avoid the ugliest most unfun meta settling around base defense it will be a mode that is never removed againBeeSting12 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:25 amPlease bring back gangs. Some of my favorite ss13 memories happened during gangs rounds.Armhulen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:02 pmI unironically miss freon, I miss null crates when they weren't done every round. Like, nobody ever had issues with them for years but as time went on people realized they really could just hand an emag to the QM at any time and start an infinite flood of traitor gear. Honestly? Null crates could come back if the unlock condition was harder than "use an emag" and we all know it. There needs to be some kind of thing that prevents it from being something done constantly like the last few months before removal.
Same with gangs. Gangs on release? fun. Gangs when everyone learns there is no downside to just building the dominator behind 5 reinforced walls and bolted doors? Painful. So painful. Preventing people from settling into "every round" gimmicks is key for enjoyment and longevity of features.
God I miss freon. Removed because it was laggy and crashy too, not because people hated it. I loved turning the station into a winter wonderland, it felt like a real unique deadly environment condition.