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Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
I meant more of a "does this look out of place next to other stuff"
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
Nah, this was made a while back for a different resprite PR.NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:03 pm Some of this bingo board feels a little too tailored for the given contributor :U
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
iamgoofball wrote:Vekter and MrMelbert are more likely to enforce the roleplay rules Manuel is supposed to be abiding by than Wesoda or Jackraxxus are.
be the change you want to seeJackraxxus wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:35 pm The jumpskirts don't have built-in booba.
I expected better.
the only jumpsuit to do that is the qm onedendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:59 pm i like them - personally i'd prefer it if the trousers/skirts could remain white but the added detail and a step away from piss yellow tops is something i can get onboard with.
edit: also i'm a little saddened by removing the ability to roll down the jumpsuits. it's an iconic look. 3 less pixels of sleeves is not a fair replacement imo.
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
Flatulent wrote:of course you can change religion doing it while islamic however makes you lose your head from happiness
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Has anyone said they suck ass or whatever? The github comments have been pretty civil all things considered. The closest comment I see is "awful pallete." The rest of the more negative ones are basically variations of "these are too dark," or "these don't really fit cargo"
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
That's part of what bothers me as well, this is the reason why it's listed as being good for the game (as per the github page):Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:58 pm I think the yellow uniform of cargo is extremely iconic, and these, as others have pointed out, are very dark brown. Also, maybe it's just me, but is quartermaster very hard to tell apart from the others? For reference, it is the one with the hat, right?
Overall, I don't see why cargo uniforms need to be completely changed. Their uniform could do with some cleaning up, but I don't think a complete remake of their appearance was warranted.
However, there's no point discussing it, because I know it will get merged regardless of what anyone says. I enjoy the cycle of overwhelming feedback being completely ignored for the whims of the very few. Why do we ask players to leave their feedback on PRs if it's been established time and time again that their opinion doesn't matter, especially with these sprite changes? Who do we make changes for in the first place if not the player? Gameplay-wise, you can argue that the players have to experience it in order to fully understand what you're doing (cloning removal), but the sprites are entirely surface level.
It's literally, "It's good because it is new and more visually distinct" (???????) It's all fluff words. It's like saying something is "artistic" or "bold."shruggers idk, i think it looks good. cargo is now much more visually distinct, and has a better vision to it. quatermaster receiving a new look that makes him stand out is a good thing too, imo.
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
Flatulent wrote:of course you can change religion doing it while islamic however makes you lose your head from happiness
This is fucking fantasticCapsandi wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:32 pm MAPPER enters stage left.
Notices SPRITER darkening uniform palette.
MAPPER(shocked): What are you doing? Where did you learn this?!?!
SPRITER(rebellious): I learned it from you, dad! I learnt it from watching you!
MAPPER realises the overabundance of dark floortiles in hand. Hides them in pocket.
Camera pans left until CODER is in view.
CODER(tired)[to MAPPER]: Where'd you learn that?
MAPPER(rebellious): I learned it from you, dad! I learnt it from watching you!
CODER slowly tilts his head to look at the darkmode IDE in his hand.
CODER reluctantly flips light switch. His skin and meat bits then fly from his skeleton like that one nuke gif with the fence.
terminator 2: judgement dayCapsandi wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:32 pm MAPPER enters stage left.
Notices SPRITER darkening uniform palette.
MAPPER(shocked): What are you doing? Where did you learn this?!?!
SPRITER(rebellious): I learned it from you, dad! I learnt it from watching you!
MAPPER realises the overabundance of dark floortiles in hand. Hides them in pocket.
Camera pans left until CODER is in view.
CODER(tired)[to MAPPER]: Where'd you learn that?
MAPPER(rebellious): I learned it from you, dad! I learnt it from watching you!
CODER slowly tilts his head to look at the darkmode IDE in his hand.
CODER reluctantly flips light switch. His skin and meat bits then fly from his skeleton like that one nuke gif with the fence.
There were one or two comments of someone just saying something like "yikes" but the maintainers hid them.RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:14 pmHas anyone said they suck ass or whatever? The github comments have been pretty civil all things considered. The closest comment I see is "awful pallete." The rest of the more negative ones are basically variations of "these are too dark," or "these don't really fit cargo"
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
constructive criticism doesn't matter because the development leads are openly antagonistic and will make a change just because they think it would be funny to upset peopleVekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:26 amThere were one or two comments of someone just saying something like "yikes" but the maintainers hid them.RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:14 pmHas anyone said they suck ass or whatever? The github comments have been pretty civil all things considered. The closest comment I see is "awful pallete." The rest of the more negative ones are basically variations of "these are too dark," or "these don't really fit cargo"
I'm honestly of the mindset that comments should just be locked for it at this point. It's obvious most people don't like them and there's been a lot of constructive criticism as to why. Even if people are being constructive, there's only so many ways to word an opinion and eventually even constructive criticism starts to feel like an attack at certain volumes. I don't want a repeat of the crate bullshit.
Or maybe they're antagonistic because a small but very loud fraction of the community loses their minds over every small change regardless of what it is so they've completely tuned out most sources of criticism as most of it is just noise anywaySuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:07 am constructive criticism doesn't matter because the development leads are openly antagonistic and will make a change just because they think it would be funny to upset people
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
That's not a hallmark of good development and MSO himself said that he doesn't approve of pigeonholing everyone as people that hate change for its own sake. Which is exactly what happens when oranges drops lovely lines such as "player opinion doesn't matter" and "there's nothing you can do I am in charge"Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:47 amOr maybe they're antagonistic because a small but very loud fraction of the community loses their minds over every small change regardless of what it is so they've completely tuned out most sources of criticism as most of it is just noise anywaySuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:07 am constructive criticism doesn't matter because the development leads are openly antagonistic and will make a change just because they think it would be funny to upset people
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
not an argument, you can't go ACTUALLY YOU'RE A BAD STINKY because then i can go PERHAPS...THE EGG CAME BEFORE THE CHICKEN and point out that maybe people are loud and angry with criticism because the development leads are fucking assholes to them regardless.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:47 amOr maybe they're antagonistic because a small but very loud fraction of the community loses their minds over every small change regardless of what it is so they've completely tuned out most sources of criticism as most of it is just noise anywaySuper Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:07 am constructive criticism doesn't matter because the development leads are openly antagonistic and will make a change just because they think it would be funny to upset people
You're not wrong. I'm giving him a reason as to why oranges is like that, not trying to justify that it's a good thing. Ideally we would be more open to change on both sides, but the unfortunate truth is that people online kind of suck and running a development community is hard.conrad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:03 am That's not a hallmark of good development and MSO himself said that he doesn't approve of pigeonholing everyone as people that hate change for its own sake. Which is exactly what happens when oranges drops lovely lines such as "player opinion doesn't matter" and "there's nothing you can do I am in charge"
It's a cycle. People hate maintainers because they don't listen to feedback because the feedback kind of sucks because people don't put effort into it because maintainers don't listen to feedback etc. etc.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:25 am not an argument, you can't go ACTUALLY YOU'RE A BAD STINKY because then i can go PERHAPS...THE EGG CAME BEFORE THE CHICKEN and point out that maybe people are loud and angry with criticism because the development leads are fucking assholes to them regardless.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
and the cycle will never change no matter how much you deep throat the greennames and scream at the players to kiss the ring, people trying their best to give good constructive criticism will still be ignored and mocked by oranges because he thinks its funny and he'll always find a way to justify being a miserable hobbit because that is who he is as a personVekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:35 amYou're not wrong. I'm giving him a reason as to why oranges is like that, not trying to justify that it's a good thing. Ideally we would be more open to change on both sides, but the unfortunate truth is that people online kind of suck and running a development community is hard.conrad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:03 am That's not a hallmark of good development and MSO himself said that he doesn't approve of pigeonholing everyone as people that hate change for its own sake. Which is exactly what happens when oranges drops lovely lines such as "player opinion doesn't matter" and "there's nothing you can do I am in charge"
It's a cycle. People hate maintainers because they don't listen to feedback because the feedback kind of sucks because people don't put effort into it because maintainers don't listen to feedback etc. etc.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:25 am not an argument, you can't go ACTUALLY YOU'RE A BAD STINKY because then i can go PERHAPS...THE EGG CAME BEFORE THE CHICKEN and point out that maybe people are loud and angry with criticism because the development leads are fucking assholes to them regardless.
I'm not asking anyone to deepthroat anyone, I'm saying "Maybe let's be nice to coders and spriters and give actual constructive feedback instead of shitting on them for wanting to change things we like".Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:40 am and the cycle will never change no matter how much you deep throat the greennames and scream at the players to kiss the ring, people trying their best to give good constructive criticism will still be ignored and mocked by oranges because he thinks its funny and he'll always find a way to justify being a miserable hobbit because that is who he is as a person
your criticism of other peoples criticism is not constructive and thus it is YOU who are the doody head!
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
okay chief, im still going to think you're a pud until i see you tell the coders "maybe let's try to understand the players criticism is not coming from a place of malice but concern for a game we mutually enjoy and try to address that and allay their worries instead of forcing through unpopular changes and telling them their lives have no value and post meme gifs and lock discussion and then make fun of them on the forum" in turnVekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:42 amI'm not asking anyone to deepthroat anyone, I'm saying "Maybe let's be nice to coders and spriters and give actual constructive feedback instead of shitting on them for wanting to change things we like".Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:40 am and the cycle will never change no matter how much you deep throat the greennames and scream at the players to kiss the ring, people trying their best to give good constructive criticism will still be ignored and mocked by oranges because he thinks its funny and he'll always find a way to justify being a miserable hobbit because that is who he is as a person
your criticism of other peoples criticism is not constructive and thus it is YOU who are the doody head!
You're not in the Discord so I get that you don't actually see it, but I do. It's difficult to do so in a constructive manner because you have to worry about feeding into the drama and possibly being muted/banned from #coding-general, but I do my best to insist to people to rethink certain changes if I don't agree with them.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:45 am okay chief, im still going to think you're a pud until i see you tell the coders "maybe let's try to understand the players criticism is not coming from a place of malice but concern for a game we mutually enjoy and try to address that and allay their worries instead of forcing through unpopular changes and telling them their lives have no value and post meme gifs and lock discussion and then make fun of them on the forum" in turn
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
i got banned from the discord for asking oranges to stop deliberately @ spamming meVekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:49 amYou're not in the Discord so I get that you don't actually see it, but I do. It's difficult to do so in a constructive manner because you have to worry about feeding into the drama and possibly being muted/banned from #coding-general, but I do my best to insist to people to rethink certain changes if I don't agree with them.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:45 am okay chief, im still going to think you're a pud until i see you tell the coders "maybe let's try to understand the players criticism is not coming from a place of malice but concern for a game we mutually enjoy and try to address that and allay their worries instead of forcing through unpopular changes and telling them their lives have no value and post meme gifs and lock discussion and then make fun of them on the forum" in turn
The first step for the divide between whitenames and greennames regarding the evolution of the 2d gas sim that runs on internet explorer is for the ones in the position in power to give thought to player opinion. Because no amount of "players being nice" is going to crack the shell of disdain while the vocal minority shits on free labour.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:42 amI'm not asking anyone to deepthroat anyone, I'm saying "Maybe let's be nice to coders and spriters and give actual constructive feedback instead of shitting on them for wanting to change things we like".Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:40 am and the cycle will never change no matter how much you deep throat the greennames and scream at the players to kiss the ring, people trying their best to give good constructive criticism will still be ignored and mocked by oranges because he thinks its funny and he'll always find a way to justify being a miserable hobbit because that is who he is as a person
your criticism of other peoples criticism is not constructive and thus it is YOU who are the doody head!
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
I can (and often do) give up, but if I can provide something that looks like I'm actually trying to improve things and possibly swing what I think is an awful change to be a not terrible one, I'll do it.conrad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:18 am The first step for the divide between whitenames and greennames regarding the evolution of the 2d gas sim that runs on internet explorer is for the ones in the position in power to give thought to player opinion. Because no amount of "players being nice" is going to crack the shell of disdain while the vocal minority shits on free labour.
And that involves having the capacity to separate chaff suggestions from decent ones, and having the maturity to ignore stupid yelling. Both of which, in combination, are only found in a small handful of members of this community.
So it's never gonna happen. I called it quits and only sometimes try to voice my opinion on the github. At least now I got a cool MSO quote that I can throw at people when they say "you're just mad 'cos of change" when I try to provide honest, genuine constructive criticism.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
you're not banned quit lying. you're not in the audit log for bans.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:53 ami got banned from the discord for asking oranges to stop deliberately @ spamming meVekter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:49 amYou're not in the Discord so I get that you don't actually see it, but I do. It's difficult to do so in a constructive manner because you have to worry about feeding into the drama and possibly being muted/banned from #coding-general, but I do my best to insist to people to rethink certain changes if I don't agree with them.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 2:45 am okay chief, im still going to think you're a pud until i see you tell the coders "maybe let's try to understand the players criticism is not coming from a place of malice but concern for a game we mutually enjoy and try to address that and allay their worries instead of forcing through unpopular changes and telling them their lives have no value and post meme gifs and lock discussion and then make fun of them on the forum" in turn![]()
Normally I agree with the "Don't be a dickhead to the people who are making the game you enjoy" thing, but I really can't in this case.
Honestly, that bingo card is too easy. But you do have to admit that there is a big bias in some PRs. "Mayhem in a Bottle from bubblegum is a worthless loot and bleh bleh bleh," I recall you denied that immediately cause it is a good item. I am happy, you kept the bottle.
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