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I think a key point here is that I agree and I think Vekter agrees too, as he also messaged the the pride-bandit and suggested they not turn stationwide pridening into A Thing:ekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:07 pmIs this the best Timberpoes quote of the term?Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:59 pm One of the few joys of being a headmin is the opportunity to tell players I'm not buying it when they try and piss on my leg then suggest to me it must have been raining.
If you're going around pulling the same gimmick, especially one that's OOC in IC, every single round, players have every right to tear it down.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:59 pmEkat that can't see the forest for the trees, and is picking a take that doesn't just lack any nuance or bigger picture thinking, but actively rejects it in favour of an almost myopic viewing of the situation.
In my view there's nothing protected about pride graffiti per sé, and I would vote to overturn any admin note or ban that was simply "didn't want to see 'pride shit' and removed it via [valid method for removing graffiti]". If Vekter had left a note that was of the form "asked to stop removing pride flag graffiti" I'd be in favour of removing it, because it's not against the rules to remove or deface graffiti without something else changing the context.Vekter wrote:I have, in the interest of fairness, left a message for the person who was painting them asking to keep them localized to a specific area if possible, as it's only really fair to give everyone room to paint whatever as long as it falls within the rules.
It's a saying. It means showing who you really are.
Be nice to eachother :)
lol. "my true colours" being opposing shitmin conduct, like I always do, or opposing shoving your political beliefs down other people's throats in the spessman game, like I always do?
lol. I'm laughing out loud at how Dax makes wildest assumption and asserts it "without a doubt". I'm not against transgender people, I'm against virtue signalling and shoving your position down other players' throats. It's obnoxious.Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:01 pm Ekaterina is without a doubt aggressively against trans and seemingly other lgbt people. Everytime someone gets slapped for being bigoted they'll be there and try and justify it
I ignored "the actual issue" because I have nothing to say about it. Vekter handled it appropriately. What he didn't handle appropriately was what came immediately before, so that's what I chose to comment on. You'd have known this if you'd read my posts before defaming me. Admin misconduct, including potential admin misconduct is more of an issue than one guy doing something he shouldn't have and getting noted for it, that's the "actual issue".Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:01 pm Their denial in this thread( just removing tiles guys) while ignoring the actual issue of the pedophilia implications is good example
Absolutely, I agree and I appreciate the clarification as to your position. As I said, I have nothing against Vekter's actions in that regard.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:00 pm
I think a key point here is that I agree and I think Vekter agrees too, as he also messaged the the pride-bandit and suggested they not turn stationwide pridening into A ThingIn my view there's nothing protected about pride graffiti per sé (...) a majority of the note is dedicated to [something else].Vekter wrote:I have, in the interest of fairness, left a message for the person who was painting them asking to keep them localized to a specific area if possible, as it's only really fair to give everyone room to paint whatever as long as it falls within the rules.
(...)
I'd also vote against any policy ruling protecting graffiti'd pride symbology by never allowing it to be defaced or removed. LGBT+ players aren't special. They're just the same as everyone else.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
Because sexual orientation and gender identity, just as racism, isn't inherently political; and neither are pride flags. Maybe if you knew the difference between individual and institutionalized bigotry your tiny brain would understand my position better.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:26 pmThis. There's no reason to bring up transgender anything in a future where you can switch genders instantly with a potion from pink slimes or an injector from genetics.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:12 pm also holy shit leave your FUCKING POLITICS out of a FUCKING SPACEMAN GAME
It's unequivocally OOC in IC. Where's all the outrage about OOC in IC, like there was for "ligger"? Or does it only matter when it's the politics from the other side, Fren256?
Where's my straight pride pin then huh?
This isn't the flex your tINY BRaiN thinks it is.
One of the most divisive issues, that pretty clearly follows partisan lines, isn't political? lol ok
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
iamgoofball wrote:Vekter and MrMelbert are more likely to enforce the roleplay rules Manuel is supposed to be abiding by than Wesoda or Jackraxxus are.
Obviously because I already know you're a racist and a transphobe. And your bigoted ass is proud of it, so it simply goes over your head.
Do you need the definition of institution and individual as well?Cambridge Dictionary wrote: political
relating to politics
politics
the activities of the government, members of law-making organizations, or people who try to influence the way a country is governed
Two can play at the game of finding definitions favourable to our points. It was dumb of you to try to use that as some sort of "gotcha".the dictionary wrote:politics: the activities associated with the governance of a country or area, especially the debate between parties having power.
Being obnoxious about pushing your position doesn't help your cause, on the contrary, and assuming that everyone who isn't equally obnoxious is diametrically opposed to you not only doesn't help it, it hinders it. All you achieve by making these dumb assumptions about people who oppose virtue signalling is to push people away and into the arms of people who are actually those things. I've said it before and I'll say it again: you were the real pipeline all along. You also make the term meaningless. "Everyone to the right of Mao is a fascist" is what you sound like.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
If they have any other colors I'm yet to see them.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Is that an American thing? 'cos I've never been discriminated against or beaten up for being straight, the notion of being proud of it sounds alien to me.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
I'm going to crumbls you into a small paper ballKendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:12 pm also holy shit leave your FUCKING POLITICS out of a FUCKING SPACEMAN GAME
I disagree with you Timber, I find this take about needing "to coexist" in this particular case to be just nonsense. Unless I'm missunderstanding you (hope this is the case)Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:00 pm And honestly, I would actually prefer it that players not go around spraying the pride flags all over the place, every single shift, for no reason other than to trigger the bigots. Repeated grandstanding pisses off people. Pissed off people generate very annoying and very stupid ahelps. I would prefer it if we could all just coexist.
ekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:26 pmThis. There's no reason to bring up transgender anything in a future where you can switch genders instantly with a potion from pink slimes or an injector from genetics.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:12 pm also holy shit leave your FUCKING POLITICS out of a FUCKING SPACEMAN GAME
I thought the whole idea was that the gender dysphoria would go away if one could just take a pill and flip to the "correct" sex. Isn't that why sex change surgery is a thing?Somepan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:41 pmekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:26 pmThis. There's no reason to bring up transgender anything in a future where you can switch genders instantly with a potion from pink slimes or an injector from genetics.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:12 pm also holy shit leave your FUCKING POLITICS out of a FUCKING SPACEMAN GAME
You don't stop being transgender because the process of transitioning become easier though.
holy shit you dont know anything about trans peopleBoot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:49 pmI thought the whole idea was that the gender dysphoria would go away if one could just take a pill and flip to the "correct" sex. Isn't that why sex change surgery is a thing?Somepan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:41 pmekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:26 pmThis. There's no reason to bring up transgender anything in a future where you can switch genders instantly with a potion from pink slimes or an injector from genetics.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:12 pm also holy shit leave your FUCKING POLITICS out of a FUCKING SPACEMAN GAME
You don't stop being transgender because the process of transitioning become easier though.
If you could just get a genie to fix the incongruity between what you think you ought to be and what your body biologically is then how would you still be trans? Like wouldn't you just be cis at that point?EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:00 pmholy shit you dont know anything about trans peopleBoot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:49 pmI thought the whole idea was that the gender dysphoria would go away if one could just take a pill and flip to the "correct" sex. Isn't that why sex change surgery is a thing?Somepan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:41 pmekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:26 pmThis. There's no reason to bring up transgender anything in a future where you can switch genders instantly with a potion from pink slimes or an injector from genetics.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:12 pm also holy shit leave your FUCKING POLITICS out of a FUCKING SPACEMAN GAME
You don't stop being transgender because the process of transitioning become easier though.
he's just got that SICK and TWISTED south park humour man cmoniwishforducks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:10 am shoulda been permabanned when he disclosed he had watched south park in the last week
oh i'm sayin itKendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:06 pmWHADDYA MEAN "THESE" MFS DENDY
ARE YOU IMPLYING SOMETHING
INSINUATING PERHAPS
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
This is kinda a funny meme because it kinda implies that transgender is just a social illness not born out in anything other then what is pushed on them by society.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:09 pm im not gonna argue with you
just read this https://genderdysphoria.fyi/
All of us. Everyone coexisting with everyone else playing the game or participating in the community together. I'd like to think that's not a controversial take.Agux909 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:37 pmI disagree with you Timber, I find this take about needing "to coexist" in this particular case to be just nonsense. Unless I'm missunderstanding you (hope this is the case)Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:00 pm And honestly, I would actually prefer it that players not go around spraying the pride flags all over the place, every single shift, for no reason other than to trigger the bigots. Repeated grandstanding pisses off people. Pissed off people generate very annoying and very stupid ahelps. I would prefer it if we could all just coexist.
Coexist with who? With the bigots? If they have enough self-restraint to not show their true colors then it's all good ...
The larger deal is that one person spray paints a pride motif everywhere. And someone else defaces it or covers it up with some sort of other flag, like a cis flag. Or a thin blue line. Or graffitis over it. Or just deletes it. Now the trigger-er becomes the trigger-ee. It's a microcosm of everything I hate about culture war bullshit.
Course not Timber, this would be the ideal and you know I don't mean otherwise. If that's what YOU meant then I agree we should all try to coexist to the best of our ability.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:50 pmAll of us. Everyone coexisting with everyone else playing the game or participating in the community together. I'd like to think that's not a controversial take.Agux909 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:37 pmI disagree with you Timber, I find this take about needing "to coexist" in this particular case to be just nonsense. Unless I'm missunderstanding you (hope this is the case)Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:00 pm And honestly, I would actually prefer it that players not go around spraying the pride flags all over the place, every single shift, for no reason other than to trigger the bigots. Repeated grandstanding pisses off people. Pissed off people generate very annoying and very stupid ahelps. I would prefer it if we could all just coexist.
Coexist with who? With the bigots? If they have enough self-restraint to not show their true colors then it's all good. If they get triggered by some harmless colors, then it means they were a time bomb, ticking louder with time passing, that needed to be defused. Why limit players for their sake? Why are we suddenly worrying about "triggering the bigots"?
So true.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:50 pm This appeal may have played out very differently if the young child appealing before us today just had a modicm of self-restraint and just stuck to removing and generic graffiti instead of the NAMBLA arc.
You’re actually partially right. For some folks a lot of the dysphoria is social expectations. For others it’s more physical, like body dysphoria. It’s entirely true that some folks would not transition if there were no social expectations. Some being the key word, since folks feel gender dysphoria in different ways.Boot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:30 pmThis is kinda a funny meme because it kinda implies that transgender is just a social illness not born out in anything other then what is pushed on them by society.EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:09 pm im not gonna argue with you
just read this https://genderdysphoria.fyi/
Like by this sites reasoning someone in a vacuum couldn't be trans because they would have no gender expectations to feel a disconnect with.
Then we both risk this the same :bTimberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:12 pm And any balanced, centrist or nuanced take like "You can paint pride all over the station and in public areas, but anyone else can get rid of it in the same way. No, that's not actually against the rules to just get rid of all your flags any more than it was for you to paint the things in the first place" risks being called bigoted itself because you're not actively protecting the outcome of priders priding across the station.
That being said, I was just taken aback by Vekter bwoinking whoever was redecorating, but given what's been said, he was just doing his best at deescalating a situation that would potentially degrade into something admins usually don't want to deal with. And that's fine and understandableTimberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:00 pm In my view there's nothing protected about pride graffiti per sé, and I would vote to overturn any admin note or ban that was simply "didn't want to see 'pride shit' and removed it via [valid method for removing graffiti]". If Vekter had left a note that was of the form "asked to stop removing pride flag graffiti" I'd be in favour of removing it, because it's not against the rules to remove or deface graffiti without something else changing the context.
Again hard agree, obviously.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:12 pm When I start to care is when you replace or deface things that were once there to create a new bigoted piece of art in place. Upending a swastika of tiles in the middle of a flag, or in this case scribbling NAMBLA over it (which would get you administrative attention even done in a vacuum) tend to be where players start losing access to game servers.
Its one guy who has been doing it all week.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:52 amJacquerel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:49 amI don't know if you're trying to do a bit right now but the only admin action which was taken and recorded was for augmenting trans flags by adding the phrase "North American Man/Boy Love Association" to them.He wasn't punished for removing tiles but he was told to stop. That is "admin action".Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:04 am From Ticket #12 during round 213445 on Manuel:
2023-08-27 01:37:27: Ticket Opened by vekter: Hey, quick question. Someone noted that you'd been going around destroying someone else's pride flag artwork the last few rounds. Is there a specific reason for that?
2023-08-27 01:38:13: Reply from jonathonhills: i was told to remove them from the ground by the CMO. I am just tryting to find ways to clean the paint up
2023-08-27 01:38:48: Reply from vekter: Gotcha, the CMO is the other person I'm talking to. Just leave it be for now, please. It's not hurting anyone.
2023-08-27 01:49:27: Resolved by Vekter
I also just noticed something: "pride flag artwork the last few rounds"
The real question is: why is this bozo "artist" repeating the same gimmick several rounds in a row?
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
Worth noting that I think you're conflating two different situations - the CMO is the one who gave me a bigoted reason for removing it. The Assistant (the guy who appealed) did not, he was the one who wrote "NAMBLA" over it.dendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:19 pm it was already ruled an IC issue when all they were doing was removing what they saw as graffiti. what caused admin intervention is that they explained in ahelps that they were acting on the fact that they don't like what the flags represent and that the "counter-graffiti" they wrote was bigoted. when you combine the 2 of these you get a motive that points toward not only being a dick but being a dick in an intolerant way. no one really had an issue with someone removing floor tiles to clean graffiti from a public area of the station.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
two of them?Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:21 pmWorth noting that I think you're conflating two different situations - the CMO is the one who gave me a bigoted reason for removing it. The Assistant (the guy who appealed) did not, he was the one who wrote "NAMBLA" over it.dendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:19 pm it was already ruled an IC issue when all they were doing was removing what they saw as graffiti. what caused admin intervention is that they explained in ahelps that they were acting on the fact that they don't like what the flags represent and that the "counter-graffiti" they wrote was bigoted. when you combine the 2 of these you get a motive that points toward not only being a dick but being a dick in an intolerant way. no one really had an issue with someone removing floor tiles to clean graffiti from a public area of the station.
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
What did clowns do to deserve this comparisonTypicalRig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:31 pmright here
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
the absolute state of this disgusting fucking world where just because you try to argue a fucking point you are branded as a racist nazi bigot.Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:01 pmIt's a saying. It means showing who you really are.
Ekaterina is without a doubt aggressively against trans and seemingly other lgbt people. Everytime someone gets slapped for being bigoted they'll be there and try and justify it
i've been trying to get everyone into starsector for years now
Where have you been the last 7 yearsKendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:41 pmthe absolute state of this disgusting fucking world where just because you try to argue a fucking point you are branded as a racist nazi bigot.Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:01 pmIt's a saying. It means showing who you really are.
Ekaterina is without a doubt aggressively against trans and seemingly other lgbt people. Everytime someone gets slapped for being bigoted they'll be there and try and justify it
literal npc
posts like these are the reason i dont fucking open my mouth when it comes to this stupid ass shit. i'm literally ashamed to live in the same world as people who think like this.
They’ve been doing it for longer then most likely because an engineer was doing this a few weeks back multiple rounds on end.Featherfield wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:46 pmIts one guy who has been doing it all week.ekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:52 am He wasn't punished for removing tiles but he was told to stop. That is "admin action".
I also just noticed something: "pride flag artwork the last few rounds"
The real question is: why is this bozo "artist" repeating the same gimmick several rounds in a row?
just spamming flags everywhere all rounds everytime as an engineer its cringe
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
Where did I say they were racist or a Nazi? Little bit of a Godwin hyperbole thereKendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:41 pmthe absolute state of this disgusting fucking world where just because you try to argue a fucking point you are branded as a racist nazi bigot.Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:01 pmIt's a saying. It means showing who you really are.
Ekaterina is without a doubt aggressively against trans and seemingly other lgbt people. Everytime someone gets slapped for being bigoted they'll be there and try and justify it
literal npc
posts like these are the reason i dont fucking open my mouth when it comes to this stupid ass shit. i'm literally ashamed to live in the same world as people who think like this.
I had the same gut reaction but not exactly.
Take this post:Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:45 pm Where did I say they were racist or a Nazi? Little bit of a Godwin hyperbole there
kendrick is mad that somebody arguing the point around admin action is transposed to mean they are bigoted. I agree with them on this point. In this case there is no naziism or racism behind the note but if there were you would have said the same thing. They were speaking both to this specific instance and the general trend.Dax Dupont wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:01 pm
It's a saying. It means showing who you really are.
Ekaterina is without a doubt aggressively against trans and seemingly other lgbt people. Everytime someone gets slapped for being bigoted they'll be there and try and justify it
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