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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34876Speaking of deck builders, there's this game called Friends vs Friends that combines first person shooting and deck-building. You use different types of cards in 1v1 or 2v2 matches that give you buffs, debuffs the opponent(s) or even random attributes that can turn the tide of the round, like completely changing the map. It has its balance issues and the playerbase is not that big, but it is incredibly fun, especially with friends.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:55 pmHave you seen Keyforge? Its buy one deck for 6 bucks (maybe some tokens but you can use paper imma be real) and then you play, each deck contains random Cards in 3 factions and you cant mix cards from different decks, a lotta funconrad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:36 pmBRO HAVE YOU SEEN FLESH AND BLOOD?
It's my favourite thing right now. It's a TCG with a much lower monetary barrier of entry than Magic the Gathering and has a much more active, back and forth fueled combat gameplay.
I played it once all day and although it felt wonky cos I had never played it I managed to win a game against a friend of mine who is a TCG streamer and YouTuber. Felt good.
F&B is my favourite thing rn fr
I have, but I'mma be real, I did not like the aesthetic.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:55 pmHave you seen Keyforge? Its buy one deck for 6 bucks (maybe some tokens but you can use paper imma be real) and then you play, each deck contains random Cards in 3 factions and you cant mix cards from different decks, a lotta funconrad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:36 pmBRO HAVE YOU SEEN FLESH AND BLOOD?
It's my favourite thing right now. It's a TCG with a much lower monetary barrier of entry than Magic the Gathering and has a much more active, back and forth fueled combat gameplay.
I played it once all day and although it felt wonky cos I had never played it I managed to win a game against a friend of mine who is a TCG streamer and YouTuber. Felt good.
F&B is my favourite thing rn fr
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
"OPPOSING THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS SCAAAREEEE MEEEEEEE"Turbonerd wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:31 am The people defending this should should seriously get investigated. It was straight up metacomms. It's like defending a murder case because it was only third degree and you met them once. Get your shit together guys! I don't care if they were a healslut to you in medbay that one time!
I started a new run not too long ago, since now 99 percent of mods have been updated and bug free for the new version
Didn't the devs say they don't plan to make updates anymore though?
jesus christ kendrick...Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:36 pm [youtube]<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/acqpulP1h ... YfLz-nKpO-" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/youtube]
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
lol
It has to be the dub dub dub link on web, not mobile, on the watch path, with only the ?v query param
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
how do i get the direct link, it keeps giving me the channel video link if that makes senseconrad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:59 pmIt has to be the dub dub dub link on web, not mobile, on the watch path, with only the ?v query param
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acqpulP1hLo
Anything else and you're shoving a square peg on a round hole.
thank you it feels so good to see a great big STARSECTOR BANNER in the forumdendydoom wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:56 pmjesus christ kendrick...Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:36 pm [youtube]<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/acqpulP1h ... YfLz-nKpO-" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/youtube]
i can't sit here and watch you struggle any longer...
I got no idea. If I go to sseth's channel, right click the starsector video and "copy link address", it's still the same "/watch?v=acqpulP1hLo" path. Every other route I tried on a brower leads to the same.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:25 pmhow do i get the direct link, it keeps giving me the channel video link if that makes senseconrad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:59 pmIt has to be the dub dub dub link on web, not mobile, on the watch path, with only the ?v query param
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acqpulP1hLo
Anything else and you're shoving a square peg on a round hole.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 10:38 amGreat. Prove they're not in some other discord metacomming.carshalash wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 10:37 am Don't wanna ruin your fanfiction but, Pepper isn't in either the Manuelcord, or the formerly nuked discord.
it's only a neckbeard database when the admins aren't the ones doing it guys....TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:22 pm guys please don't reveal personal information to win an internet argument, you know some neckbeard is filling his database somewhere.
said nobody ever in the history of timePepper wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:27 pmit's only a neckbeard database when the admins aren't the ones doing it guys....TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:22 pm guys please don't reveal personal information to win an internet argument, you know some neckbeard is filling his database somewhere.
fr tho. you guys just banned someone for a post they made 9 months prior i don't think you're in any position to be making gaffs about people digging up/keeping dirt on others
That is an incredibly naive purview. tbm's 100% right, and what he said has been true for the last, uh, however many years the internet has existed.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
speaking from experience here - admins can and will dig up literally anything they can to get someone banned if they hate you well enoughconrad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:43 pm That is an incredibly naive purview. tbm's 100% right, and what he said has been true for the last, uh, however many years the internet has existed.
E: Actually, let's get a touch personal. I don't wanna know any or your personal details and don't trust any of you as far as I can throw you.
Now this isn't something I can prove, but the story which has been being told behind the scenes is thus:
"Literally any information dug up to get someone banned" is always in game, from the game logs, stored in the tg database. When things like these bans happen happen, it's because we got shoved information we shouldn't don't want to know but it turns out to be irrefutable evidence of rule breaking.Pepper wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:55 pmspeaking from experience here - admins can and will dig up literally anything they can to get someone banned if they hate you well enoughconrad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:43 pm That is an incredibly naive purview. tbm's 100% right, and what he said has been true for the last, uh, however many years the internet has existed.
E: Actually, let's get a touch personal. I don't wanna know any or your personal details and don't trust any of you as far as I can throw you.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Everything written here is 100% correct. The issue is if they DO decide to handle it and wilfully ignore a rule to the detriment of the round. There's gonna be like 20 admins looking at logs to point and, well, not laugh. It's never fun.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Rule 9 exists in it's current form precisely because this is not the case
Someone on the discord going "I'll be 18 in [X amount of time]" for whatever reason is not "literally any information dug up to get someone banned". Pick a lane and stick to it.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Well yeah, but, I think if they just banned some people but not others, people would have cried foul about the admin team playing favorites or picking and choosing. So the choice was really ban everybody in the discord (In accord with the level of their violations) or ban nobody.
This wasn't a headmin-team level investigation. As you know, our admin team is pretty much autonomous on a day-to-day basis. A bunch of Manuel admins including Chesh had been investigating metacomms and metafriending issues on-and-off for a bunch of this term. I can see Chesh creating the newest discussion thread on Manuel metagangs 24th July, but there was one before that which ended inconclusively. When everyone found the evidence, they investigated it and numerous bans were placed off of it.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:41 pm the thing that confuses me is that the investigation had been going on for months apparently. most of the responsibility was miskiethpoes, i think. im just confused as to why the bans were placed by Cheshify. I guess he was just leading the investigation? but then why is this falling upon the responsibility of the upcoming term? gives me the impression the upcoming term wanted to get it off of their plate quickly (i dont blame them, this shit sucks)
what confused me further was xemo seemed a bit thrown off by the swift decisions but was also the most willing to be transparent.
I don't really care about players joining unmoderated Discords. That's just one person's peanut on it. It's a skill issue if people are around metacommers and don't force it to stop or leave, then someone fucks up and drama happens and people start getting reported.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:41 pmanyhow, directly responding to timberpoes because he’s the only respectable person in this thread worth responding to at this point:
we can all agree that we don’t want metacomming ruining rounds. it can also be a pain in the ass to find out for sure if folks are metacomming. however, you will find that trying to stomp out metacomming with a zero tolerance policy will achieve less- if not, no more- than having sensible heads screwed on. if you’re truly trying to achieve a scare and further stop metacomming, you would make an @everyone announcement explaining the situation and put something on the rules wiki about unmoderated discords. just one of these actions would go much further than the Secret Police Zero Tolerance policy you’ve got going on.
I don't really care how this appeal was handled, in the sense that the only way to mishandle it would be via a conduct breach. It has every grounds to be instantly denied with a "come back whenever you get a vouch" tagged onto the end. We do not tolerate metacomms. It utterly destroys the point of the game.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:41 pmhere’s some more food for thought: i get it, you can’t share a lot of the information. that’s perfectly reasonable. one of the things you have to realize, though, is that in order for Secret Actions to not be scrutinized is that you need trust in the community. so if there’s just ONE bad ban/appeal, all of the sudden trust begins to fizzle.
i sympathize that this investigation was in no way easy. but to be perfectly blunt timber, many people disliked how this appeal was handled. no matter how much book throwing you do at us, something you gotta realize is: i kind of fucking do not care about the rules. my entire evaluation of this has been “are they ruining rounds?” and surely you cannot suggest that posting Space Cat ruined anybody’s round. is there a slippery slope of posting space cat? yes. it’s something that’s worthy of getting a talking to. but a perma-ban-come-back-in-6-months? no, lol. im glad xemo was able to turn that around but it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. i always knew you were a by-the-books kinda guy, timber, but your response still managed to squeeze out most of the respect i had for you.
Things were spaced in three tiers. People that were in the Discord but appeared to just be passive observers were given notes. In a contrast to how we usually handle unconfirmed-but-suspected involvement in metacomms these aren't secret notes or watchlists either. Just normal notes: "Part of an external Discord with friends where there were multiple instances of metacomms. Did not appear to be involved, however the player should be cautious about participating in communities that break the rules."iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:41 pmso now it comes circling back to this. if this is one of the people that got permanently banned… then were the people who got temporarily banned simply in the discord? lol? im not seriously suggesting this, i am merely explaining how trust can easily muddy the waters of these Secret investigations. oh god… you guys seriously didn’t do this? right? RIGHT?
If anyone needs any more transparency than that, find something made of glass and look through it. You got ban durations based on criteria. I checked these today, as I had the same concern of "Was there even a criteria for banning these people?".Timberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:01 pm Things were spaced in three tiers. People that were in the Discord but appeared to just be passive observers were given notes. In a contrast to how we usually handle unconfirmed-but-suspected involvement in metacomms these aren't secret notes or watchlists either. Just normal notes: "Part of an external Discord with friends where there were multiple instances of metacomms. Did not appear to be involved, however the player should be cautious about participating in communities that break the rules."
People that didn't appear to be metacomming but knowing participated in conversations where metacomms was taking place were given temporary short bans of between 1 and 2 weeks. People that only had a single instance of minor metacomms were also given short bans of between 1 and 2 weeks. The server owner got a similar severity ban for this as well, because although they sometimes asked people to cut it out, they didn't do much to prevent it or keep it off their server.
Anyone that had multiple instances of any severity were given permanent bans. I actually don't think they perma'd anyone without at least 2 examples of sharing in-round information externally, from what I can tell. Could be wrong though, I have brain worms now.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Allow me to enlighten you.
this makes much more sense in my head now, i was just confused as it seemed like it had been pushed onto the oncoming headmin-term.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:01 pm This wasn't a headmin-team level investigation. As you know, our admin team is pretty much autonomous on a day-to-day basis. A bunch of Manuel admins including Chesh had been investigating metacomms and metafriending issues on-and-off for a bunch of this term. I can see Chesh creating the newest discussion thread on Manuel metagangs 24th July, but there was one before that which ended inconclusively. When everyone found the evidence, they investigated it and numerous bans were placed off of it.
The headmin-ivory-tower investigation that led to the ban wave itself was based on the leaked logs and took like 3-4 days or something, the elects were all at this for 6-7 hours straight for a couple of days and spent the weekend downtime trying to get all their metaphorical ducks lined up in a neat row. And multiple hours per day since going over this all over again and again.
The current headmin team has been happy to give the elects this opportunity to take on a major piece of work we'd've had to do otherwise, and I'm sure they'll learn and grow as headmins from these experiences.
snipped a bit out, hope you don't mind that.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:01 pm This also isn't about scaring anyone. A person getting caught doing any sort of metacomms and being permabanned is going to be upheld by basically every headmin team ever. Handling it any differently is admin discretion, not obligation.
Even the most minor stuff like "Oh, they only showed a picture of them with a cat" isn't representative of what they did in reality. Through OOC channels they shared their location and their status with third parties. And those third parties can just as easily pass that information on to other people. Once you pass that information on to groups of others, the chances of it getting shared again grow exponentially. The choice to not wait until round end to share information is a veritable Pandora's Box that you have no control over anymore once opened.
So there is no acceptable level of metacomm, no amount of innocent sharing of benign in-round information being allowable. Through their actions they told everyone reading that Discord their location and status. Maybe they didn't mean to, and maybe nothing bad came of it, but by choosing to reveal in-round information in OOC channels they're not playing by the same rules as everyone else is. It is, to put it bluntly, a form of actual cheating.
this is a very sensible way of handling it. im still confused as to what puts this person in the highest tiers of punishment, though. would their two screenshots not count as only an "instance of minor metacomms"? they were only about 15 minutes apart, from the same round.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:01 pm Things were spaced in three tiers. People that were in the Discord but appeared to just be passive observers were given notes. In a contrast to how we usually handle unconfirmed-but-suspected involvement in metacomms these aren't secret notes or watchlists either. Just normal notes: "Part of an external Discord with friends where there were multiple instances of metacomms. Did not appear to be involved, however the player should be cautious about participating in communities that break the rules."
People that didn't appear to be metacomming but knowing participated in conversations where metacomms was taking place were given temporary short bans of between 1 and 2 weeks. People that only had a single instance of minor metacomms were also given short bans of between 1 and 2 weeks. The server owner got a similar severity ban for this as well, because although they sometimes asked people to cut it out, they didn't do much to prevent it or keep it off their server.
Anyone that had multiple instances of any severity were given permanent bans. I actually don't think they perma'd anyone without at least 2 examples of sharing in-round information externally, from what I can tell. Could be wrong though, I have brain worms now.
Will all due respect, this is anecdotal. I understand reading this probably makes you angry (I'd be angry to be called anecdotal), but it's one case, and a big rule change came of it for the better. I'm sorry that this happened to you tho, that sucks.
I take offense to that. You have no idea just how anal I am. And I'm not the only one. The culture is nothing like what you just described.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
It's exactly how I described - what I said was the truth, you can't just say 'no' and pretend it didn't happen or doesn't have very bad implications. Anyone and everyone who has ever made meaningful effort to help against this kind of thing has either walked away burnt out and jaded or become downright vilified by their peers. The kind of good rule change you seem to like did not come without sacrifice. You're a good example as to why. The fact that you're willing to boil down a months long campaign of gaslighting conducted by multiple members of staff as 'anecdotal' means that you lack the character to speak up when someone, even if it's just one person, is being wronged. The fact of the matter is that while it may be a particularly extreme example, it's anything but anecdotal. In fact, it's indicative of the tolerance the admin team has for shit behavior, if it was allowed to unfold the way it did in the first place.
idk if you know the difference between the words "is" and "was" but while im sorry something bad happened to you a while ago, the idea that this means that you have any particularly insightful view of how things are now doesn't really add upPepper wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:41 pmIt's exactly how I described - what I said was the truth, you can't just say 'no' and pretend it didn't happen or doesn't have very bad implications. Anyone and everyone who has ever made meaningful effort to help against this kind of thing has either walked away burnt out and jaded or become downright vilified by their peers. The kind of good rule change you seem to like did not come without sacrifice. You're a good example as to why. The fact that you're willing to boil down a months long campaign of gaslighting conducted by multiple members of staff as 'anecdotal' means that you lack the character to speak up when someone, even if it's just one person, is being wronged. The fact of the matter is that while it may be a particularly extreme example, it's anything but anecdotal. In fact, it's indicative of the tolerance the admin team has for shit behavior, if it was allowed to unfold the way it did in the first place.
that is really awful. for what it's worth i'm sorry you had to go through that. you have no reason to believe me (and i understand why you wouldn't) but i have not witnessed any conduct like this in my time or during this investigation and if i ever see anything like it i would not stand for it.
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