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Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:36 pm Baseless claims. I have been to the vault minimum of 38 times, how many suicides?
Reactive Ban ArmorCapsandi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:21 pm This is why i keep an antag token on me at all times so that when my international network of assmad assistant mains whom I look good in comparison to is found out, I can use rule 4 protection to avoid a ban for orchestrating the psychological torment of emptyposters by proxy. It will be like the banhammer will be swung at me and then the token will explode and the shockwave will stop the ban hammer like one of them tank armors.
I think its a good title.
Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:36 pm Baseless claims. I have been to the vault minimum of 38 times, how many suicides?
I am currently in the hospital and it is questionable between if I am going to be the father of a very premature girl or of nothing.
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
people in the community help set the paratext that staff and maints respond to (or don't) - the game is somewhere between the players' feedback, the rules/admin, and the design.
Thank you.zergking wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:29 pmShit man, hope your girl pulls through
sending love Nabski, hope it all goes well
^^^TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:47 amsending love Nabski, hope it all goes well
This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.
Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?
Timberpoes wrote:[Edit] For clarity's sake, being blacklisted is a ban from the tgstation community with no easy path of return. It is a Discord ban, a game ban and a forum ban. As part of the forum ban, you are also banned from appealing globally. That means you are unable to appeal any unassociated bans or notes; all the bans placed as part of the blacklisting; and the blacklist itself.
Any attempt to appeal via creating new forum accounts or by oversights in banning your forum account that still allows you to post appeals is automatically an appeal against the blacklist, and getting the blacklist removed is the minimum barrier to anything else being appealed.
Appeals by blacklisted players can be and are closed at any time and for any reason, including no reason at all other than the player is blacklisted, by any admin. Only in the most rare and exceptional circumstances of utmost mercy do the headmins permit a blacklist appeal to stay open under their Headminly Discretion, but the final decision always rests with MSO.
I calmed down, so I can say that whatever the headmins got from Scriptis (going by sinful's appeal), it (the entire logs) was never shared in full with us.GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 am So uh, this happened: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=35398
Sinful created an appeal for the permaban that TBM made, not the blacklist ban that MSO made. It gets locked in 7 minutes flat, because apparently the permaban is also part of the blacklist. At least two people posted "lmao owned" during those 7 minutes; both messages have since been deleted. One of them was a headcoder (you get 3 guesses who, and the first 2 don't count) and the other was an admin. Then, Oranges made a peanut thread, which got locked about 10 minutes after it was created for unclear reasons. I think that's a full summary of the recent events. Now that the summary is out of the way...
This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
That is somewhat reassuring.
Well, like the post above mine (unless I get ninja'd) says, Sinful is not the only one saying this. Other people who were apparently on that server are also saying that much the same thing. While I understand the need for discretion, especially given Sinful's own concerns about that, the lack of transparency is really not helping you guys here. Especially not with admins briefly locking this thread along with every other thread about this topic, and then unlocking this thread, all without comment.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:17 am there's a lot of misinformation in that thread - if that's the story he's been telling his friends, i am not shocked at the stance they've taken on this whole thing. take note of his ban reason and what his thread contained, they're linked tightly by gossamer.
Let me also point out that the other people on that server might either be ignorant or worse, in on it.GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:30 amThat is somewhat reassuring.Well, like the post above mine (unless I get ninja'd) says, Sinful is not the only one saying this. Other people who were apparently on that server are also saying that much the same thing. While I understand the need for discretion, especially given Sinful's own concerns about that, the lack of transparency is really not helping you guys here. Especially not with admins briefly locking this thread along with every other thread about this topic, and then unlocking this thread, all without comment.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:17 am there's a lot of misinformation in that thread - if that's the story he's been telling his friends, i am not shocked at the stance they've taken on this whole thing. take note of his ban reason and what his thread contained, they're linked tightly by gossamer.
edit: damnit, I DID get ninja'd.
At this point, it sounds like you're rejecting any takes on this topic that don't come from the admin team itself. People who weren't in the discord obviously don't have any access to any of the evidence involved. And people who were in the discord are apparently untrustworthy, since apparently they must have been complicit or something. Iwishforducks really hit the nail on the head.Archie700 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:34 am Let me also point out that the other people on that server might either be ignorant or worse, in on it.
The entire issue is that the cord is not publically accessible. It is highly likely that those people who were on the server have a vested interest in saying that the admins were exaggerating.
If the admin team was willing to actually accept the lack of trust and deal with it, then that would be understandable. But no, admins want us to take them at their word that the ban was valid, while simultaneously telling us to distrust everyone from the server who says it wasn't valid, because apparently they're complicit or something (are we just supposed to ignore the fact that none of these other players have been blacklisted too? Isn't that what you would do if they were actually complicit?). Memoryholing Sinful's appeal also doesn't make sense even from a confidentiality standpoint. I saw the thread before it got deleted; if any confidential information was possibly leaked there, then it was leaked by Sinful himself, because nobody else posted more than a single sentence.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:46 am Honestly? Very little merit is put in earning the trust and faith of the players in this very limited and specific instance. Information is being kept confidential. I prefer it that way. I'd like to know that if there was a huge leak of my secret ERP metacord that saw me deadminned, the headmins would have more tact than to release all the evidence to the tgstation playerbase.
the issue, as i see it, is that the information was put forth by the banned person. i understand that the headmins wouldn't want to release the information of their own conviction, it just seems wild to me that the appeal was taken down.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:46 am Honestly? Very little merit is put in earning the trust and faith of the players in this very limited and specific instance. Information is being kept confidential. I prefer it that way. I'd like to know that if there was a huge leak of my secret ERP metacord that saw me deadminned, the headmins would have more tact than to release all the evidence to the tgstation playerbase.
They're already blacklisted by the host, there's nothing you can do to save them.
Either accept the outcome that MSO has chosen to blacklist them on valid grounds having seen enough evidence to satisfy him that it's appropriate, or assume that MSO has blacklisted two people for shits and giggles and act accordingly (at this point, go to another community with a host you trust is the only solution because this stoner is not for turning).
don't worry, it's perfectly normal to feel uneasy about having internet strangers scour through private conversationiwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:58 am
the issue, as i see it, is that the information was put forth by the banned person. i understand that the headmins wouldn't want to release the information of their own conviction, it just seems wild to me that the appeal was taken down.
im gonna be real, the prospect that being in this community alone allows for any and all of my discord messages to be scoured through makes me a little bit uneasy. something like that requires for me to have a lot of trust and faith to subside my uneasiness.
The admin team has members that both want to have their cake and also eat it, then eat their cake and complain when they don't have it anymore.GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:58 amIf the admin team was willing to actually accept the lack of trust and deal with it, then that would be understandable. But no, admins want us to take them at their word that the ban was valid, while simultaneously telling us to distrust everyone from the server who says it wasn't valid, because apparently they're complicit or something (are we just supposed to ignore the fact that none of these other players have been blacklisted too? Isn't that what you would do if they were actually complicit?). Memoryholing Sinful's appeal also doesn't make sense even from a confidentiality standpoint. I saw the thread before it got deleted; if any confidential information was possibly leaked there, then it was leaked by Sinful himself, because nobody else posted more than a single sentence.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:46 am Honestly? Very little merit is put in earning the trust and faith of the players in this very limited and specific instance. Information is being kept confidential. I prefer it that way. I'd like to know that if there was a huge leak of my secret ERP metacord that saw me deadminned, the headmins would have more tact than to release all the evidence to the tgstation playerbase.
This is why I plan to apply as an admin. I want to set things right by looking at the secret logs and coming to the same conclusion the unanimous admin team perspective on the issue has come to and then go ahead and be called a traitor by the players that supported me.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:49 am Also it shouldn't come as a surprise that players, infact, don't see 99% of the admin stuff we do. They only see the 1% of appeals and permabans.
If you think this is bad, imagine all the information that's being hidden from you concerning every other permanent ban placed and every other non-permanent ban place and every other note placed that doesn't get appealed!
There must be hundreds of thousands of lines of logs and screenshots and other evidence accompanying bans and notes. The day that the tgstation headmins refused to reveal confidential or private information to you was the most memorable day of your life. For them, it was Tuesday.
What you get will not satisfy you. And likewise there's not much to see. You won't always get definitive proof as an admin or headmin. It's just people trying their best, all the way up.Redrover1760 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:14 am This is why I plan to apply as an admin. I want to set things right by looking at the secret logs and coming to the same conclusion the unanimous antag team perspective on the issue has come to and then go ahead and be called a traitor by the players that supported me.
Im sorry you missed the joke, but that was the joke.dragomagol wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:30 amWhat you get will not satisfy you. And likewise there's not much to see. You won't always get definitive proof as an admin or headmin. It's just people trying their best, all the way up.Redrover1760 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:14 am This is why I plan to apply as an admin. I want to set things right by looking at the secret logs and coming to the same conclusion the unanimous antag team perspective on the issue has come to and then go ahead and be called a traitor by the players that supported me.
You can choose to believe me or not, but there is no grand conspiracy here. I trust the headmins have done their due diligence, until I have reason to believe that that trust is misplaced.
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
I've looked the fool, curses. Statement still stands for those who actually feel that way
Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:46 am Seems like a hit on dissenting opinions to me, and I don't think much outside of direct evidence which I know won't be given is going to make me believe differently. The specificity in targets seems too deliberate to my liking.
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