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Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:36 pm Baseless claims. I have been to the vault minimum of 38 times, how many suicides?
Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:46 am Seems like a hit on dissenting opinions to me, and I don't think much outside of direct evidence which I know won't be given is going to make me believe differently. The specificity in targets seems too deliberate to my liking.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
I can in good faith tell you that only the headmins and mso have seen the full log. Only they have had access, and only they will have access.GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 am So uh, this happened: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=35398
Sinful created an appeal for the permaban that TBM made, not the blacklist ban that MSO made. It gets locked in 7 minutes flat, because apparently the permaban is also part of the blacklist. At least two people posted "lmao owned" during those 7 minutes; both messages have since been deleted. One of them was a headcoder (you get 3 guesses who, and the first 2 don't count) and the other was an admin. Then, Oranges made a peanut thread, which got locked about 10 minutes after it was created for unclear reasons. I think that's a full summary of the recent events. Now that the summary is out of the way...
This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?
Blacklist appeal, so hidden. You cant appeal whilst blacklisted from tg. I totally get your frustration though, and I’d like to see more proof too, however it might not happen if the headmins are afraid it comtains personal dataiwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:36 am alright i get it but why was the appeal made unviewable and then we are told "do not trust the misinformation" - like that just isn't a good look. the only person willing to share an ounce of information on the story is being actively called misinformation? im expecting some kind of fuckin explanation in return here. or not. you don't really have to. but it also means i have zero trust and faith in this entire situation.
i cannot think of the last time i saw a blacklist appeal get taken down. denied, left to rot- sure. but taken down? not once.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:55 amBlacklist appeal, so hidden. You cant appeal whilst blacklisted from tg. I totally get your frustration though, and I’d like to see more proof too, however it might not happen if the headmins are afraid it comtains personal dataiwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:36 am alright i get it but why was the appeal made unviewable and then we are told "do not trust the misinformation" - like that just isn't a good look. the only person willing to share an ounce of information on the story is being actively called misinformation? im expecting some kind of fuckin explanation in return here. or not. you don't really have to. but it also means i have zero trust and faith in this entire situation.
assuming you're talking about the "I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern," the headmins were the ones being badmouthed. except fikou i think everyone was chill on fikouTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:51 amI can in good faith tell you that only the headmins and mso have seen the full log. Only they have had access, and only they will have access.GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 am So uh, this happened: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=35398
Sinful created an appeal for the permaban that TBM made, not the blacklist ban that MSO made. It gets locked in 7 minutes flat, because apparently the permaban is also part of the blacklist. At least two people posted "lmao owned" during those 7 minutes; both messages have since been deleted. One of them was a headcoder (you get 3 guesses who, and the first 2 don't count) and the other was an admin. Then, Oranges made a peanut thread, which got locked about 10 minutes after it was created for unclear reasons. I think that's a full summary of the recent events. Now that the summary is out of the way...
This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?
Yeah I get how that would make you uncomfortable, I hope MSO kept it focused. Its clear mso was involved and I don’t think he was looking for their personal information. I don’t know what the investigation looked like, but what they did would’ve been worse than badmouthing admins for a blacklisting.c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:02 amassuming you're talking about the "I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern," the headmins were the ones being badmouthed. except fikou i think everyone was chill on fikouTheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:51 amI can in good faith tell you that only the headmins and mso have seen the full log. Only they have had access, and only they will have access.GPeckman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 am So uh, this happened: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=35398
Sinful created an appeal for the permaban that TBM made, not the blacklist ban that MSO made. It gets locked in 7 minutes flat, because apparently the permaban is also part of the blacklist. At least two people posted "lmao owned" during those 7 minutes; both messages have since been deleted. One of them was a headcoder (you get 3 guesses who, and the first 2 don't count) and the other was an admin. Then, Oranges made a peanut thread, which got locked about 10 minutes after it was created for unclear reasons. I think that's a full summary of the recent events. Now that the summary is out of the way...
This part actually looks incredibly concerning. I thought people in this thread were just exaggerating or blowing hot air, talking about admins "digging up drama to ban people." Now I'm not so sure.sinfulbliss wrote: 4) Headmins began reading all the logs (over a hundred thousand messages probably). The issue with this was we were all good friends and shared personal info in this server. I won't go into detail but info that could be considered dox-worthy was in the server. I didn't feel comfortable with anyone, much less admins who we'd badmouthed, flipping through our personal info without even a clear objective. So I reached out to MSO with the concern. He said he'd look into it. This is probably what led to his involvement and (somehow) my blacklist so I regret doing that, but that's neither here nor there.Is it not possible to just edit the blacklist ban message?
this has been my big takeaway too now. i think the bans/deadminnings were too severe (sinful did NOT deserve a blacklist imo) but i can see the gist of why they were placed i guess? but the headmins getting their hands on 6 MONTHS worth of logs from a private and personal discord server and digging through it looking for infractions is such an INSANE overreachiwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:21 am like seriously, why the fuck are headmins being sicced on the history of entire discord servers? personally, what drives me the most insane about this entire situation, is the fact that they batcaved 3 admins to try to get them to send over the ENTIRE TRANSCRIPTION of the ENTIRE SERVER. on what fucking hunch? like dear fucking god it's a spaceman game. you can fuck right off if you think you have a god given right to strongman three people into giving an entire transcript of personal information of other people. and then to go through every single god damn message?
i reposted it on the last page if you wanted to read it. the admin team was quick to call it disinformation but aside from the exact ban reasons (cant double check the accuracy rn, would have to logdive as hard as the headmin team has been for the last week to find exactly what they got them on) its an accurate series of events to my memory
How was the deadminning too far?c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:57 am this has been my big takeaway too now. i think the bans/deadminnings were too severe (sinful did NOT deserve a blacklist imo) but i can see the gist of why they were placed i guess? but the headmins getting their hands on 6 MONTHS worth of logs from a private and personal discord server and digging through it looking for infractions is such an INSANE overreach
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
again, i don't know the specific adminbus leak she was dropped for because i haven't gone logdiving myself, and because like sinful said in his appeal, nobody's been given the exact messages they were banned for despite them apparently being shared with the rest of the admin team. but the only screenshots i ever saw charley post from adminbus were of her own posts with zero administrative value (it was a dramatization of some players club drama or a recent public ban iirc?) and one person's equally unimportant reaction to it. maybe she should've gotten a warning or something but deadminning her and stripping her event planner status was an overreaction imo. i don't know what specific breaches of conduct the admin staffing log is referring to, and as far as i know she doesn't either.NoxVS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:34 amHow was the deadminning too far?c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:57 am this has been my big takeaway too now. i think the bans/deadminnings were too severe (sinful did NOT deserve a blacklist imo) but i can see the gist of why they were placed i guess? but the headmins getting their hands on 6 MONTHS worth of logs from a private and personal discord server and digging through it looking for infractions is such an INSANE overreach
You leak bus you die.c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:04 amagain, i don't know the specific adminbus leak she was dropped for because i haven't gone logdiving myself, and because like sinful said in his appeal, nobody's been given the exact messages they were banned for despite them apparently being shared with the rest of the admin team. but the only screenshots i ever saw charley post from adminbus were of her own posts with zero administrative value (it was a dramatization of some players club drama or a recent public ban iirc?) and one person's equally unimportant reaction to it. maybe she should've gotten a warning or something but deadminning her and stripping her event planner status was an overreaction imo. i don't know what specific breaches of conduct the admin staffing log is referring to, and as far as i know she doesn't either.NoxVS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:34 amHow was the deadminning too far?c4g wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:57 am this has been my big takeaway too now. i think the bans/deadminnings were too severe (sinful did NOT deserve a blacklist imo) but i can see the gist of why they were placed i guess? but the headmins getting their hands on 6 MONTHS worth of logs from a private and personal discord server and digging through it looking for infractions is such an INSANE overreach
for alamo i understand why they were deadminned but i think the permaban on top of that is too much for what was actually said. from what i know, the most private player information they actually shared was sharing that a certain tg player was using a new ckey and revealing said ckey. deadminnable, yeah, sure, but i don't think it warranted the perma
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
the only messages given to the admin team have been the logs that broke admin conduct, anything else (all the stuff relating to players) is not public
nobody implied to me the players too, but youre right, im a little groggy today.
The admins 1984in a thread that puts them in a bad light is pretty concerning and only puts credibility to those concerns.
I definitely find it concerning that they keep bringing up "A blacklist is a ban from appealing, too" when every single other blacklist appeal has been either Simply Closed, or allowed to exist for a while to see if MSO will look at it.
I agree with this. This in its entirety is perfectly in words how I think about the situation.kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:40 am I've never seen a blacklist appeal get hidden ever I don't think and I was a headmin what the FUCK. It's fully hidden??? That's absolutely crazy. Didn't see the appeal itself because I was zzzz but I wonder what was written on it to get it insta killed.
In cases like this I can't help but wonder, what was said in malice and what was people venting/coping/trying to show off. Seeing the appeal just killed does leave a bad taste in my mouth.
One lesson that strikes me in all of this is watch what you say in the private GC. People often forget that it's not a safe places where people will just accept all behaviour, they get cozy and break rules and doomer n stuff. You will most likely be held responsible to some extent if you are around these homies even if you yourself are not
ALSO....TO WOULD BE LEAKERS you take pictures of the specific information and send it on. Scraping server logs is one of the biggest scumbag moves you can make imo. All of those private unreleated conversations being read by people? The complete feeling of violation of privacy? Really fucked up hope no one else is subject to this and it's such a fucking concerning trend that's occurring. STOP. DOING. THIS.
Edit: I also hope the people who peanutted on his appeal are punished because they usually aren't.
They usually dont get hidden, it also wouldve been a great oppurtunity to explain their reasoning further, given the confusion and drama around the ban.Turbonerd wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:53 pm Why are people surprised that a blacklist appeal got hidden? It's a blacklist. They're not supposed to be able to make a presence on the community. The fact that the Jackrip wasn't hidden was a real shocker to the community. He could've doxxed everyone or sometbing, who knows. The appeals should've never been able to be created in the first place.
Nothing good could ever happen from letting a blacklisted person speak. They'll just try to cause more drama.kinnebian wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:54 pmThey usually dont get hidden, it also wouldve been a great oppurtunity to explain their reasoning further, given the confusion and drama around the ban.Turbonerd wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:53 pm Why are people surprised that a blacklist appeal got hidden? It's a blacklist. They're not supposed to be able to make a presence on the community. The fact that the Jackrip wasn't hidden was a real shocker to the community. He could've doxxed everyone or sometbing, who knows. The appeals should've never been able to be created in the first place.
More people speaking out of their arses on this one. Full fact reveal.
My issue is solely with this part. I wouldn't mind "I'm sorry, you've been blacklisted, go away" and close.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:04 pm
The appeal being hidden is a new one, but fuck it they're already headmins there's nothing you can do to stop them.
Yeah OK that's epicTimberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:23 pmMore people speaking out of their arses on this one. Full fact reveal.
The peanut post was an oranges shitpost that was in the approval queue.
It was approved by an admin.
I modified the post author to the admin that approved it, then warned that admin for it while dendy was deleting the shitpost.
They had no prior warnings or whatever for forum conduct so it was left at that.
My stance is approving a peanut is the same as posting it yourself. So that's my reasoning for it.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 pm Screaming transparency up until the point it's my ERP logs with kieth being combed through...
I demand an immediate release of these logs or else you're a 1984Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:50 pmScreaming transparency up until the point it's my ERP logs with kieth being combed through due to an accusation by someone that I took advantage of him last term
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
Flatulent wrote:of course you can change religion doing it while islamic however makes you lose your head from happiness
I'm of the personal unhinged opinion that anyone wanting evidence released is either paranoid that they're gonna be next or a drama hound that wants to froth at the mouth while pogging outta their minds.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Agreed. I've known Sinful to be a positive member of the community, just sometimes he could be insufferable in-game. But I've never personally had issues with him, and this entire thing is just very odd. I'm going to miss my friend and his yellow hair.wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:02 pm I always enjoyed interacting with sinful in game and on discord, I'm going to miss him in this community. I understand and respect that a lot of private and personal information is involved in this and as such it won't be released. I don't need to see it and I didn't ask him to see it for that reason. However, it is upsetting to see someone whose presence I enjoyed be removed without ever concretely knowing why. Yes, this is something of an empty post. I'm just frustrated with the dialogue surrounding this and that's unfortunately the only thing in regards to this ban that I can affect.
Remember when a headmin was so biased against Sinfulbliss that he combed through his entire player's club logs just to clutch at straws for reasons to ban him?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
Adding my own Sinful fan post to this chain, I really enjoyed Sinful's shennanigans in all the spaces he inhabited and I really will miss him. And this is coming from a forum mod who butted heads with sinful's posts often.InternJohn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:28 pmAgreed. I've known Sinful to be a positive member of the community, just sometimes he could be insufferable in-game. But I've never personally had issues with him, and this entire thing is just very odd. I'm going to miss my friend and his yellow hair.wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:02 pm I always enjoyed interacting with sinful in game and on discord, I'm going to miss him in this community. I understand and respect that a lot of private and personal information is involved in this and as such it won't be released. I don't need to see it and I didn't ask him to see it for that reason. However, it is upsetting to see someone whose presence I enjoyed be removed without ever concretely knowing why. Yes, this is something of an empty post. I'm just frustrated with the dialogue surrounding this and that's unfortunately the only thing in regards to this ban that I can affect.
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Overall I think the collective worry among people is that this was a personal hitjob on Sinful by the admins/MSO. But I don't really know MSO, and I don't think Sinful did either. I do know from reading the appeal, and talking to Sinful on discord, it looks like Sinful was actively seeking out MSO's help to resolve an issue. So it's just incredibly weird that admins/MSO would comb through so many logs of text just to vaporize 2 people like that. I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been, I always expected Sinful to eventually get QC banned, and I wouldn't have been surprised if I saw it, not this...
But there is nothing we can do except either hope MSO becomes merciful, or gives us better understanding of what happened.
Adding my own 2 cents, every lost hos high hour hos player is 1 more to fight in policy with. you will be missed frArmhulen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:54 pmAdding my own Sinful fan post to this chain, I really enjoyed Sinful's shennanigans in all the spaces he inhabited and I really will miss him. And this is coming from a forum mod who butted heads with sinful's posts often.InternJohn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:28 pmAgreed. I've known Sinful to be a positive member of the community, just sometimes he could be insufferable in-game. But I've never personally had issues with him, and this entire thing is just very odd. I'm going to miss my friend and his yellow hair.wesoda25 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:02 pm I always enjoyed interacting with sinful in game and on discord, I'm going to miss him in this community. I understand and respect that a lot of private and personal information is involved in this and as such it won't be released. I don't need to see it and I didn't ask him to see it for that reason. However, it is upsetting to see someone whose presence I enjoyed be removed without ever concretely knowing why. Yes, this is something of an empty post. I'm just frustrated with the dialogue surrounding this and that's unfortunately the only thing in regards to this ban that I can affect.
OIG.DdQ.jpg
Overall I think the collective worry among people is that this was a personal hitjob on Sinful by the admins/MSO. But I don't really know MSO, and I don't think Sinful did either. I do know from reading the appeal, and talking to Sinful on discord, it looks like Sinful was actively seeking out MSO's help to resolve an issue. So it's just incredibly weird that admins/MSO would comb through so many logs of text just to vaporize 2 people like that. I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been, I always expected Sinful to eventually get QC banned, and I wouldn't have been surprised if I saw it, not this...
But there is nothing we can do except either hope MSO becomes merciful, or gives us better understanding of what happened.
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