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Everything is better than it ever has been
Or it least it feels that way sometimes, right?
It feels like the new features and balances are all so good in comparison to the vibe we had back in the day.
It feels like all the sprites are cool, we say they have souls.
It feels like policy is more simpler and understandable than it used to be.
It feels like the maps are better.
It feels like the community is united.
It feels like there is more roleplay.
It feels like there is less rulebreaking.
Here we are, each step along the way a seeming improvement from how the game was 1, 3, 5, 10, 20 odd years ago.
Its probably not nostalgia right? When you first started playing the game you felt so much new wonder and enjoyment, and you project that wonder and enjoyment to the community, policy, and code of that time.
But why is it so subtle? Will we be able to recognize genuine improvements?
But then I start to think, do pure improvements even exist?
Runechat comes to mind as a feature that is overwhelmingly supported by players, and why wouldn't you? It makes it easy to see exactly who is talking around you, it lets you keep your eyes on the screen instead of the text in the log, what's not to like?
But there is always an argument to make that something was gained. The focus on the chat window for communication gave the game a very clunky feel, like an AOL messenger. It was like the chat was the brain of your character and you couldn't see into all of their deepest perceptions. You might argue that the actual letters themselves detract from the games artstyle, which is an entirely subjective thing.
Now does this mean we should keep runechat? Yes, in my opinion, the benefits are staggering to the flow of the game and ease of communication. But does that make these praises against it valid? I think so.
Perhaps there is a layer here that is deeper than nostalgia, we all came here because this game attracted us, and it attracted us in the state it was when we came here. And when the game changes, it can feel like "its getting better," or "its going somewhere closer to what space station 13 should be"
But the truth is, we were attracted to this game for different reasons, and we all have different opinions on what it should be. No one is "correct" really about what direction this game should go in, and we are all scrabbling among each other to push our message for what ss13 should be, which is probably based on whatever reason we got attracted to the game in the first place, which is also based on what the server was like when we started playing.
If someone was very conflict adverse user who thinks that no one should ever have to die or get round removed if they don't want to, because their version of ss13 doesn't contain being at risk of being unable to play, there's not much you can do to convince them. It doesn't matter how many times you say "the game is punishing by design," or "the weight of death adds to the fear and paranoia," or "this is a storytelling game and sometimes you are the victim in the story," those will never be convincing arguments to them. And you should also note that liking punishing game design, fear and paranoia, and telling a dramatic story are all also matters of opinion.
It's pure opinion, this isn't an ethical debate, its not an argument over the meaning of statistics, it is only about what we personally value in ss13.
How the hell are we supposed to agree on anything
It feels like the new features and balances are all so good in comparison to the vibe we had back in the day.
It feels like all the sprites are cool, we say they have souls.
It feels like policy is more simpler and understandable than it used to be.
It feels like the maps are better.
It feels like the community is united.
It feels like there is more roleplay.
It feels like there is less rulebreaking.
Here we are, each step along the way a seeming improvement from how the game was 1, 3, 5, 10, 20 odd years ago.
Its probably not nostalgia right? When you first started playing the game you felt so much new wonder and enjoyment, and you project that wonder and enjoyment to the community, policy, and code of that time.
But why is it so subtle? Will we be able to recognize genuine improvements?
But then I start to think, do pure improvements even exist?
Runechat comes to mind as a feature that is overwhelmingly supported by players, and why wouldn't you? It makes it easy to see exactly who is talking around you, it lets you keep your eyes on the screen instead of the text in the log, what's not to like?
But there is always an argument to make that something was gained. The focus on the chat window for communication gave the game a very clunky feel, like an AOL messenger. It was like the chat was the brain of your character and you couldn't see into all of their deepest perceptions. You might argue that the actual letters themselves detract from the games artstyle, which is an entirely subjective thing.
Now does this mean we should keep runechat? Yes, in my opinion, the benefits are staggering to the flow of the game and ease of communication. But does that make these praises against it valid? I think so.
Perhaps there is a layer here that is deeper than nostalgia, we all came here because this game attracted us, and it attracted us in the state it was when we came here. And when the game changes, it can feel like "its getting better," or "its going somewhere closer to what space station 13 should be"
But the truth is, we were attracted to this game for different reasons, and we all have different opinions on what it should be. No one is "correct" really about what direction this game should go in, and we are all scrabbling among each other to push our message for what ss13 should be, which is probably based on whatever reason we got attracted to the game in the first place, which is also based on what the server was like when we started playing.
If someone was very conflict adverse user who thinks that no one should ever have to die or get round removed if they don't want to, because their version of ss13 doesn't contain being at risk of being unable to play, there's not much you can do to convince them. It doesn't matter how many times you say "the game is punishing by design," or "the weight of death adds to the fear and paranoia," or "this is a storytelling game and sometimes you are the victim in the story," those will never be convincing arguments to them. And you should also note that liking punishing game design, fear and paranoia, and telling a dramatic story are all also matters of opinion.
It's pure opinion, this isn't an ethical debate, its not an argument over the meaning of statistics, it is only about what we personally value in ss13.
How the hell are we supposed to agree on anything
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
Why are you copy pasting someone else's post
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
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pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
The future is bright.
We're all gonna make it bros.
We're all gonna make it bros.
iamgoofball wrote:Vekter and MrMelbert are more likely to enforce the roleplay rules Manuel is supposed to be abiding by than Wesoda or Jackraxxus are.
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
Too long didn't read, wanna talk about starsector?
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
Hopium thread
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
i've been playing this game since some adults here were literal infants. i've never gotten burned out or hated the game. the more shit changes the more the real core of it all stays the same: if you never lose track of the true goal, which is to have wacky space adventures with your pals, you'll never get sick of this game. burn away the weeds and creeping vines and remember what's important. to have fun adventures together!!!!! LET'S GO!!!!!!!
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
every round is a story and some stories are shitty and some are PEAK FUCKING FICTION but we will no matter the code or the players STOP STRIVING FOR PEAK FICTION BECAUSE HOLY FUCKING SHIT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT TGSTATION
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
Yeah!!!dendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:12 am i've been playing this game since some adults here were literal infants. i've never gotten burned out or hated the game. the more shit changes the more the real core of it all stays the same: if you never lose track of the true goal, which is to have wacky space adventures with your pals, you'll never get sick of this game. burn away the weeds and creeping vines and remember what's important. to have fun adventures together!!!!! LET'S GO!!!!!!!
me too
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- TheBibleMelts
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
you must have posted this in the wrong thread, my friend.
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
last time I checked my notes JOKES are supposed to be funny pal.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pmyou must have posted this in the wrong thread, my friend.
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
that is correct! do you need help with double checking any other word definitions from your notes?celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 amlast time I checked my notes JOKES are supposed to be funny pal.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:21 pmyou must have posted this in the wrong thread, my friend.
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
No that'll be all.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm-snip-celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am-snip-
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
by replacing the quotes and not just deleting them you have invoked the curse of the tower. say goodbye to this thread and all you hold dearcelularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:42 pmNo that'll be all.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm-snip-celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am-snip-
im gay (and also play the moth “bugger”)
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
is this a new gravel type
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:30 pmby replacing the quotes and not just deleting them you have invoked the curse of the tower. say goodbye to this thread and all you hold dearcelularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:42 pmNo that'll be all.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm-snip-celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am-snip-
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING IN HERE
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
look what you have to do to mimic a fraction of my power.
- Sincerely itseasytosee
See you later
See you later
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
I feel like this post is a sort of unkind reading of easy's initial one. It's talking about the changing groups of people who have interest in our brand of ss13, and why that happens. S a fine thing to talk about.
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
every character has a lifespan on this show before they fade from the stage. it's our job as rapidly aging greybeards to pass the torch to new players, not lament over how our very specific fleeting version of the game is over. there were good times before us and there will be good times after we're gone. pour one out for all the ones we lost along the way, but there are always new crewmembers to torture.
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
fucking hell it's like when I forget to downsize my shitty paint.net meme images
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Cleaner of floors, eater of beef jerky, and long time coward.
I'm Eugine Adrian Hynes on Manuel, I'm very uncool.
Cleaner of floors, eater of beef jerky, and long time coward.
I'm Eugine Adrian Hynes on Manuel, I'm very uncool.
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
says the bad smell that's been hanging around since 2008dendydoom wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:33 pm every character has a lifespan on this show before they fade from the stage. it's our job as rapidly aging greybeards to pass the torch to new players, not lament over how our very specific fleeting version of the game is over. there were good times before us and there will be good times after we're gone. pour one out for all the ones we lost along the way, but there are always new crewmembers to torture.
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
Actual 1984 moment.
I play the old man Ricky Paxton, and sometimes the borg Z.E.E.P.
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Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that's 2007 actually sweetieoranges wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:55 pmsays the bad smell that's been hanging around since 2008dendydoom wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:33 pm every character has a lifespan on this show before they fade from the stage. it's our job as rapidly aging greybeards to pass the torch to new players, not lament over how our very specific fleeting version of the game is over. there were good times before us and there will be good times after we're gone. pour one out for all the ones we lost along the way, but there are always new crewmembers to torture.
i was getting rounds in between sessions of dungeon master and cow RP
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
idk how to reply, but i've had a terrible accident the start of this december, I had to go through surgery the day of my mothers birthday, i'm stuck in this fucking room until it recovers, everything is bad, life is pain, pain is life, it's gonna get better, but currently everything is worse than it ever was
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
Bruhman173096 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:40 am idk how to reply, but i've had a terrible accident the start of this december, I had to go through surgery the day of my mothers birthday, i'm stuck in this fucking room until it recovers, everything is bad, life is pain, pain is life, it's gonna get better, but currently everything is worse than it ever was
i hope you get back to the spessmens in good health soon, comrade.
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:47 pmiwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:30 pmby replacing the quotes and not just deleting them you have invoked the curse of the tower. say goodbye to this thread and all you hold dearcelularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:42 pmNo that'll be all.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm-snip-celularLAmp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:50 am-snip-
I was nearly crying laughing at all the towers stretching down the page
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
why must you hurt me like this?
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
i'm not cleaning this up this thread is a lost cause do what you want in here i can't take it
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
airships are really cool, it's a shame that they just don't really work unless there's no wind (particularly sudden downward or upward drafts) and the weather is perfectly clear and dry
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Cleaner of floors, eater of beef jerky, and long time coward.
I'm Eugine Adrian Hynes on Manuel, I'm very uncool.
Cleaner of floors, eater of beef jerky, and long time coward.
I'm Eugine Adrian Hynes on Manuel, I'm very uncool.
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
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Re: Everything is better than it ever has been
The Graf Zeppelin managed to fly across Caribbean Squall lines without much trouble, Norge made it across the North pole, and I remember reading that the R100 got through a North Atlantic thunderstorm at speed (Was not able to back the third one up)RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:44 am airships are really cool, it's a shame that they just don't really work unless there's no wind (particularly sudden downward or upward drafts) and the weather is perfectly clear and dry
Airships can totally deal with wind!
Of course, USS Shannondoah was an inside job by Howard Hughes to get rid of the competition, R38 was a FLUKE, Akron and Macon were HOAXES so clearly all the evidence points to airships being entirely reliable.
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