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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 5:24 pm

Fren256 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 12:36 pm

You really shouldn't use this as a non-antag. The 'RIP AND TEAR' objective overrides any allegiances.

This implies that the object gives players a sort of antag objective, which is a higher tier above brainwashing, construct orders and silicon laws.

With that in mind, failing to follow your objective could be seen as FailRP, because if an antagonist used the item but no one began killing each other, then what's the point of it being in the game in the first place? An item that, mind you, especifically states as your objective:

KILL, KILL, KILL! YOU HAVE NO ALLIES ANYMORE, KILL THEM ALL!

The megafauna wiki page is not policy so all of this is kind of moot. Why would the bottle of mayhem's flavortext qualify as a forced objective whereas the "your mind shatters... [DO BAD THING]" flavortext is flufftext?

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:19 pm yea no, obviously it gives you a pass to kill or the item just doesn't function. come on sinful.
"sorry bro i know someone broke a bottle that told you to kill everyone and glued a chainsaw to your hands, but you killed someone without rule 4 protection or escalation so i'm going to have to ban you." -things no admin will ever say

Because it's sort of just implied that everyone can kill each other with mayhem in a bottle. AFAIK it's not sketched into policy, it's just commonsense so admins treat it as if it were a real objective. But if it's not technically required that everyone kill each other then it definitely can't be compared to a maxcap.

mindstormy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 4:02 pm It's a rare enough item that I think this is incident is kind of funny and I would have allowed it.

pretty much this in sum

Medic wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 5:25 pm What's fun for you might not be fun for other people on the shuttle, believe it or not not everyone wants to be suddenly thrust into a deathmatch.

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:43 am

Archie700 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:36 am "It's ok because each and every individual affected could have chosen not to kill others when I gave them a free pass to kill each other without being punished for it" is not a good excuse.

I would like to call into question whether or not it's truly a "free pass." Does it give you a hypno objective? An antag HUD? Nothing? It's just flavortext? If it's just the flavortext "RIP AND TEAR" then I would like to share an anecdote of a time a wizard used a spell that caused me to get a "YOUR MIND SHATTERS... KILL EVERYONE" flavortext in giant rainbow colors. I ahelped and was told it was just flufftext. Isn't this the same?

Now you might say, "well it's commonsense you get a free pass it literally glues a chainsaw to your hands and tells you to rip and tear." If that's the case then perhaps people shouldn't fuck with the guy that has mayhem in a bottle lest they wish for their surroundings to become mayhem in a bottle.

mindstormy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:47 pm

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:43 am

Archie700 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:36 am "It's ok because each and every individual affected could have chosen not to kill others when I gave them a free pass to kill each other without being punished for it" is not a good excuse.

I would like to call into question whether or not it's truly a "free pass." Does it give you a hypno objective? An antag HUD? Nothing? It's just flavortext? If it's just the flavortext "RIP AND TEAR" then I would like to share an anecdote of a time a wizard used a spell that caused me to get a "YOUR MIND SHATTERS... KILL EVERYONE" flavortext in giant rainbow colors. I ahelped and was told it was just flufftext. Isn't this the same?

Now you might say, "well it's commonsense you get a free pass it literally glues a chainsaw to your hands and tells you to rip and tear." If that's the case then perhaps people shouldn't fuck with the guy that has mayhem in a bottle lest they wish for their surroundings to become mayhem in a bottle.

I think whoever told you that about wizard text is wrong. If your mind shatters and you get text to kill everyone you should be allowed to kill everyone.

mindstormy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:32 pm Yeah I def hear what you guys are saying. But we shouldn't expect players who get text to kill people to know about random headmin rulings that say in those specific instances you are not allowed to kill people.

Cheshify wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:30 pm Knowingly and maliciously breaking the rules because you made up the rule that you're allowed to use whatever dangerous object you find just screams bad faith.