rule 3 policy discussion peanut

[Shadowflame909]

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>Mfw George Lemons kills me and the entire server because he's robust

>Ahelp to "Future Nanotransen" about this issue

>Chrono Legionnaires ice this fool

Make Admins DM again! This would be very enjoyable to watch and would make dying rewarding.

Admins have a lot of buttons to press. And yet the majority of these buttons are collecting dust.

It's been quite some time since I've seen the floor turn into lava.

[Mothblocks]

those rounds are when we're training admins and you see like 13 admins on at the same time

[TheFinalPotato]

Mothblocks does this count for the bet or do I need to make another more particular thread

[Mothblocks]

cant really make an antags round that much more challenging when the stations all gone lemon

[TheFinalPotato]

fine fine, in the morning then

[Rohen_Tahir]

Pros:
- seems like a cool idea
Cons:
- fear RP?

[GamerAndYeahMick]

Admins would bus a bit more if they didn't have to deal with Karen's it is what it is

[Shadowflame909]

Admins would bus a bit more if they didn't have to deal with Karen's it is what it is

I know that highlander button sparkles at you guys in the admin chat

[Bawhoppennn]

Rules lawyering should be illegal
however we'll need 7 pages of guidelines and precedents to clarify that

[san7890]

Admins would bus a bit more if they didn't have to deal with Karen's it is what it is

I know that highlander button sparkles at you guys in the admin chat

Thankfully it doesn't for me (i hate high lander)

[The Wrench]

Admins should be free to press as many buttons as they want, Admin complaints over button presses should get the accuser laughed at. Press those buttons

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Admins should be free to press as many buttons as they want, Admin complaints over button presses should get the accuser laughed at. Press those buttons

Why would they have the buttons if they weren't meant to press them? Checkmate, losers.

[Atlanta-Ned]

if we dont implement this rule as-is, we should at least permaban everyone who's rallying against it in the policy thread.

either way we improve the quality of the community. win-win.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Rallying against it is pointless, its the direction mso wants and he isn't swayed by forumites.

[Stickymayhem]

Rallying against it is pointless, its the direction mso wants and he isn't swayed by forumites.

Flow like water

[The Wrench]

Flatulent is the best activist for the new rule we could have asked for. Spiteful hateful boomer who is exactly the issue this rule change would effect. Not to mention he’s seething. Maybe he’ll go touch some grass, or bring hippie back from the dead.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Flatulent is the best activist for the new rule we could have asked for. Spiteful hateful boomer who is exactly the issue this rule change would effect. Not to mention he’s seething. Maybe he’ll go touch some grass, or bring hippie back from the dead.

It's kinda how I've been feeling seeing ATH in there. Like the guy who goes out of his way to figure out a bug, exploit it for his own amusement, and then immediately patch it once he's unleashed it, rallying against what's basically just a "Don't Bad Faith" rule is vaguely entertaining.

[RaveRadbury]

Flatulent's arguments would carry more weight if he posted in the players club.

[The Wrench]

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Lol

[The Wrench]

Terry main, and he’s assmad, AND HE PLAYS LESS THAN THE AVERAGE CODER. Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Super Aggro Crag]

Flatulent's arguments would carry more weight if he posted in the players club.

You would note most people complaining about the ruling are mysteriously absent from here.

Calling flatulent a boomer is fucked up. I've been here for like 11 years im the boomer and i says manuel is closest to how tgstation was when i started playing. Putting the server on the hub was a mistake *old man fart*

[The Wrench]

To all the LRP gamers who are complaining about TG being rip, There are other communities that would be more than happy to take you. Shiptest is a more MRP community, and voidcrew is the same thing but LRP

[Stickymayhem]

Terry main, and he’s assmad, AND HE PLAYS LESS THAN THE AVERAGE CODER. Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I think he quit over not being allowed to call black people subhumans or something

Even I play more than him lmao

[Super Aggro Crag]

Thats fucking embarrassing

[bobbahbrown]

arguably the admins that people are worried would use this rule in a terrible way probably don't show up often enough on the servers to make it a concern so maybe it's less of an issue than previously thought

critically thinking,
bobbah 'bee' brown

[Vekter]

Rallying against it is pointless, its the direction mso wants and he isn't swayed by forumites.

Literally the only things he has swung his host dick around about are rule 11 related. He tries not to push things in a specific direction, so this isn't a matter of 'it's happening', it's a matter of 'I would strongly prefer if this happened'.

Also it's a generally good idea depending on how it's worded.

[Hulkamania]

I've always just pretended like this was a rule anyway

[wesoda25]

I don’t really see why sticky is so intent on being a dick in most policy discussions. Antagonizing people in your argument, even if you’re right, only serves to drive them further away from finding a common ground. It’s very frustrating to see, regardless of whether or not you agree or disagree with him. I wish he would stop. @sticky

[Armhulen]

@sticky listen to my admin son and stop. i know its in your nature. but reject your nature and stop doing it

[Itseasytosee2me]

The only real solution I see to this is to make it a config

[oranges]

Flatulent's arguments would carry more weight if he posted in the players club.

You would note most people complaining about the ruling are mysteriously absent from here.

Calling flatulent a boomer is fucked up. I've been here for like 11 years im the boomer and i says manuel is closest to how tgstation was when i started playing. Putting the server on the hub was a mistake *old man fart*

correct

[NecromancerAnne]

I've always just pretended like this was a rule anyway

I believe it, you've basically been one of the more notable admins when it came to dealing with people acting in extremely bad faith even if it wasn't necessarily an explicit rules break.

Personally, I kind of wished more players recognized they're not really appreciated for effectively worsening the experience of the server as a whole, and either maybe take steps to moving away from toxic behaviours, or alternatively, simply accepting that there are maybe places which are more likely to accept it (though why they would is beyond me and I feel even those places aren't going to remain the same forever without collapsing under toxicity).

[cacogen]

I'm just gonna put this here because when I made that off-topic post in that thread I didn't realise there was a perfectly good peanut thread to avoid deletion for it.

We decide what the future of the culture is and if you're not in that future that's not our problem.

Sticky thinks of his role here the way 98 IQ /pol/ posters think of Jews in Western society.

[Stickymayhem]

I'm just gonna put this here because when I made that off-topic post in that thread I didn't realise there was a perfectly good peanut thread to avoid deletion for it.

We decide what the future of the culture is and if you're not in that future that's not our problem.

Sticky thinks of his role here the way 98 IQ /pol/ posters think of Jews in Western society.

When I say We I mean "We the community". I'm specifically excluding the targets of my criticism from the community because I think they're not really part of it.

I of course have never personally influenced anything anywhere in this community in the whole last decade pay no attention to me I'm just bing chillin

[cacogen]

I'm gonna be honest that immediately made me think of the Army of Humanity in Disco Elysium, where anybody who opposes them (and by extension, their leader and her agenda) is by implication not a part of humanity. It's the kind of "love it or leave it" thing certain admins who always wanted their own way and did not respond well to criticism would trot out when met with pushback from players.

[MrStonedOne]

Na, its more like half the people criticizing the rule stopped playing when Manuel came out because they liked ruining the roleplay experience of rpers and once they got quarantined on Sybil with the other norpers the game stopped being fun for them.

[GamerAndYeahMick]

The rule doesn't necessarily even make ANYTHING MRP if we are going by our own current MRP rules or standards, Im all for people not treating the game like fortnite norp but this rule doesn't really do much to stop it imo, I think some admins may have discussed some sort of expectations guide in terms of roleplay and the setting and I'd rather see developments on those fronts than this rule, admins from a time further ago than my join date have also told me this rule was from a time when admins were very selective and I have the concern this rule leaves just enough room open for someone to be an annoying moron with it and as we know it's very hard to deadmin someone once they climb the stairs up the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower

[YBS]

Is it really that difficult to impose the idea of good faith / bad faith discretion in enforcement?

Obviously discerning intent/incident from logs takes a certain amount of critical thinking, but most of the appeals arguments I see in FNR cycle around rules lawyering. This can be countered with "We all know you're being a dick."

We also shouldn't be afraid of filtering both the players and the admins through this process. You're going to have a cacophony of Karen screams, probably coordinated by discord metafriends, but honestly the internal admin circle could deeply benefit by having a universal 'shitter watch list' of people who consistently push the envelope and try to worm around rules 1 (and 3 if it returns). If the admin group could be super tight in general, they could be a unified front as a team against certain teams of players who love to drag them down over literally anything.

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Maybe this is already the case, but I see a lot of posting worrying over how many admins there are and their differing opinions. One discord/IRC channel that people are encouraged to post in to vent/communicate over hard tickets feels like it would iron out the differences ALOT. Maybe this already exists?

As a terminal pnp DM I fucking love DMd events and DMing. Let creative people shine. Let whiny NRPers burn.

[Mothblocks]

honestly the internal admin circle could deeply benefit by having a universal 'shitter watch list' of people who consistently push the envelope and try to worm around rules 1

We have this, it's whatever names are regularly brought up with nothing good to say

One discord/IRC channel that people are encouraged to post in to vent/communicate over hard tickets feels like it would iron out the differences ALOT.

We have this