Sus note peanut

[bastardblaster]

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Will Sticky somehow relate this note to the failings of capitalism? Is this a clever plot to sabotage Kieth's campaign? Will Kieth use this to whip the players into a frenzy? Find out more on the next episode of /tg/station!

[kieth4]

I don't think anyone is really in a position to enforce someone's rp. Rp doesn't have to be 80 paragraphs long, in my eyes rp can be a simple point to another player! I've used sus for years now with no issue I stand by the fact that is does not detract from my rp.

[sinfulbliss]

classic admin REFUSING to take a side in a CLEARCUT case of a bad note

sus is short for suspicious. people say it IRL even, with no relation to the meme. if it isn't used with relation to the meme it shouldn't be an issue imo

[wubli]

this is the motd

•Over utilizing any flavor of the month meme, like "imposter" or "sus" is a bit too OOC IC. Obviously if you have a reason to use them, like calling someone suspicious with sus its fine. However blurting them out at random is a bit much and we're cracking down on it.

seems like it was fair use

[Vekter]

OOC in IC is a thing but this ain't it, chief. I don't think this warranted a note at all.

[wesoda25]

I can only guess that not much thought was put into the wording of the MOTD statement, and now it’s naturally causing confusion (you can dispute what qualifies as “random” use here). Remove the note and change the MOTD so that it reflects sticky’s enforcement, because really I think it’s a very fair line for him to draw, especially when combatting stuff that is/ can be ingrained in culture like this.

[Qbmax32]

pretty sus ngl

[InfiniteGalaxies]

how to fix - when the traitor is valid!

[Kendrickorium]

everytime i hear some fucking zoomer say sus in real life I fucking cringe

remove all usage of it from ss13 please

[Bawhoppennn]

This is fair use of sus, it's just a shortened way of saying suspicious. People said it before Among Us was a thing

[iwishforducks]

this is so fucking stupid lol

[sinfulbliss]

having to appeal this in the first place must be frustrating kmon Sticky i know you want to improve RP quality but the man just wanted to call a box suspicious without saying the full word "suspicious" is this really necessary

[GamerAndYeahMick]

saying sus was never against the rules and I remember head admins at the time telling that when that motd announcement was made because people kept spamming sus amogus, it's flavour of the month bullshit to say sus every 30 seconds but when you're using it legitimately how is it ooc in ic, you need some burgers to boost your intellectual power sticky

[CMDR_Gungnir]

I must be a fucking prophet if just "sus" is clearly OOC in IC Amogus bullshit, because I was saying it back in 2007.

[YBS]

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[Kendrickorium]

This is fair use of sus, it's just a shortened way of saying suspicious. People said it before Among Us was a thing

no, they didn't

[iain0]

Among us didn't invent 'sus', it just memed it, certainly was used long before that game. A little google research will validate that. Using it as a stand alone word is super contextual in the same way I randomly pipe up "weird" in response to events around me.

The same contextual / lack of contextual problems occur around things like *clap and *scream, there's many a time where these emotes are perfectly valid, and then there's the player who is randomly going around venting emotes and catchphrases for no relatable reason.

[Shadowflame909]

He should have been bar rping. The mere act of trying to impede on the sus elements in the round has broken my immersion

[iwishforducks]

i think i would jump off a cliff (with a parachute) if i was told i had to either jump off said cliff or argue with cobby about semantics

[WineAllWine]

Is this a politically motivated note? pretty sus ngl.

[mindstormy]

If I can't say lol then yall shouldn't be able to say sus. Both are used extremely cringely IRL.

[Jonathan Gupta]

If I can't say lol then yall shouldn't be able to say sus. Both are used extremely cringely IRL.

I used that with my homies all the time, now its cringe after 5 years of doin it.

[Vekter]

I agree with what Timber's saying in the closing notes, but I feel like this is more an "ahelp and discuss" thing than worth a note. We should do what we can to enforce a baseline RP experience on even the LRP servers, but this isn't exactly some immersion-breaking bullshit if you ask me. It's stupid, but not that stupid.

[Stickymayhem]

I agree with what Timber's saying in the closing notes, but I feel like this is more an "ahelp and discuss" thing than worth a note. We should do what we can to enforce a baseline RP experience on even the LRP servers, but this isn't exactly some immersion-breaking bullshit if you ask me. It's stupid, but not that stupid.

The outcome of the "ahelp and discuss" was "I disagree and will do it again". A note was only necessary because of that, and as mentioned I was fine with it being removed, but the ruling is bad.

TRAGICALLY THE HEADMINS ARE COWARDS AND AFRAID TO RAISE THE STANDARD

This is just another de facto precedent in the decline of the ability to enforce any roleplay standards whatsoever

[Boot]

communist upset that he can't keep abusing his power more at 11.

[Vekter]

I agree with what Timber's saying in the closing notes, but I feel like this is more an "ahelp and discuss" thing than worth a note. We should do what we can to enforce a baseline RP experience on even the LRP servers, but this isn't exactly some immersion-breaking bullshit if you ask me. It's stupid, but not that stupid.

The outcome of the "ahelp and discuss" was "I disagree and will do it again". A note was only necessary because of that, and as mentioned I was fine with it being removed, but the ruling is bad.

TRAGICALLY THE HEADMINS ARE COWARDS AND AFRAID TO RAISE THE STANDARD

This is just another de facto precedent in the decline of the ability to enforce any roleplay standards whatsoever

I still don't think I'd note him for it, I would've just told him "Okay, keep in mind that further behavior could result in a note".

[kieth4]

No clue how one word things lower the standards of rp. I'm going to stick with they don't. Does saying 'tot' for example ruin rp? No. The same standards apply here.

[Armhulen]

No clue how one word things lower the standards of rp. I'm going to stick with they don't. Does saying 'tot' for example ruin rp? No. The same standards apply here.

One could argue allowing one word like "LRP" in game would lower the standards of rp

[datorangebottle]

If only the admins would handle 'lean' with the same level of seriousness. We'd have a lot less pointless spam on sybil.
Edit: Timberpoes's stance on this is worrying, though. Just the word 'sus' in appropriate context isn't even close to as bad as he says it is.

[iwishforducks]

Timber literally says in their reasoning “Yeah they should haven’t been noted” but then doesn’t agree to remove the note??? The fuck? Actual WTF moment there

[Misdoubtful]

I hear people say sus with basically zero context on a daily basis. Not about to put on my rose tinted glasses for the past because I was born before the year 2000 and damn everyone else because I'm outdated even if I don't quite 'get it'. For real its not even flavor of the month if its been around for years.

I guess you aren't roleplaying if you are using modern slang you have to talk like a nobleman from the 1600's only.

Its just the age old cyclical gripe that every generation has, you'll find me standing on my lawn yelling at kids that get too close to my house when walking on the public sidewalk.

[Vekter]

If only the admins would handle 'lean' with the same level of seriousness. We'd have a lot less pointless spam on sybil.
Edit: Timberpoes's stance on this is worrying, though. Just the word 'sus' in appropriate context isn't even close to as bad as he says it is.

I haven't seen this on Sybil, care to elaborate?

[Kendrickorium]

I agree with what Timber's saying in the closing notes, but I feel like this is more an "ahelp and discuss" thing than worth a note. We should do what we can to enforce a baseline RP experience on even the LRP servers, but this isn't exactly some immersion-breaking bullshit if you ask me. It's stupid, but not that stupid.

The outcome of the "ahelp and discuss" was "I disagree and will do it again". A note was only necessary because of that, and as mentioned I was fine with it being removed, but the ruling is bad.

TRAGICALLY THE HEADMINS ARE COWARDS AND AFRAID TO RAISE THE STANDARD

This is just another de facto precedent in the decline of the ability to enforce any roleplay standards whatsoever

>i'm not upset with the note being removed but actually i'm upset that the note was removed
>headmins are bad because they won't enforce the standards I set for everyone
>ultra high rp is good and fun for everyone because I say so and I've been around for awhile so I know these things just trust me okay

the thought of you as a dungeonmaster is absolutely fucking terrifying, and no, that isnt a compliment

[Timberpoes]

Timber literally says in their reasoning “Yeah they should haven’t been noted” but then doesn’t agree to remove the note??? The fuck? Actual WTF moment there

It wasn't within the intent if the MotD memo sticky relied on. It is still something that all admins should feel like the headmin team have their backs on, even without the MotD memo.

Neither the LRP nor MRP servers actually have any rules about role-playing. It's technically optional on both servers as long as you're not ock icking.

The only way admins can actually do anything about RP standards on either ruleset when players tell you to get bent is through the headmins allowing it.

[YBS]

Does saying 'tot' for example ruin rp? No.

'Tot' is NRP.

I think the note's worthwhile because you chucked it back in a mods face when you're asked to do something relatively simple for the games atmosphere. This isn't a note about you saying sus, it's about you basically saying "I don't have to RP because it's not ruining anyone's RP." I think everyone swinging for you under the flag that saying 'Sus' once ad-hoc is not NRP is completely missing the point, which is on brand.

And before anyone has another freezing cold take about this, I'll make a bet:

I will paypal you 20.00 USD if you have a single fully written roleplay interaction in your last 3 rounds where you actually try to write something vaguely IC, consecutively and coherently.

[tjatpbnj]

"Sus," is valid shorthand for suspicious.
"Sussy," is valid shorthand for suspiciously.
Why is there an issue with how it's used here? I don't understand.

[cacogen]

they're old and/or they feel left out

[datorangebottle]

If only the admins would handle 'lean' with the same level of seriousness. We'd have a lot less pointless spam on sybil.
Edit: Timberpoes's stance on this is worrying, though. Just the word 'sus' in appropriate context isn't even close to as bad as he says it is.

I haven't seen this on Sybil, care to elaborate?

Mid-day Sybil has a lot of people yelling "LEAN!" "I LOVE LEAAAAN!" etc. in IC and in OOC. It's really obnoxious.

[cacogen]

People have always used memes IC though, how is this different?

Terrible time to be a rapper though, given something that’s been around for decades is now being shit on by obnoxious zoomer children.

[Jonathan Gupta]

People have always used memes IC though, how is this different?

Terrible time to be a rapper though, given something that’s been around for decades is now being shit on by obnoxious zoomer children.

it ain't even used by rappers it's used in daily life from time to time.

[cacogen]

I bet you don’t even smoke crack

[Jonathan Gupta]

I bet you don’t even smoke crack

I tryed it and it was meh.

[wesoda25]

It wasn't within the intent if the MotD memo sticky relied on. It is still something that all admins should feel like the headmin team have their backs on, even without the MotD memo.

Neither the LRP nor MRP servers actually have any rules about role-playing. It's technically optional on both servers as long as you're not ock icking.

The only way admins can actually do anything about RP standards on either ruleset when players tell you to get bent is through the headmins allowing it.

Seems unfair to the player though. If I were kieth I’d be pretty upset if a note not backed by current rules was upheld so that a statement could be made. Better places to show that support imo.

[sinfulbliss]

Does saying 'tot' for example ruin rp? No.

'Tot' is NRP.

This isn't a note about you saying sus, it's about you basically saying "I don't have to RP because it's not ruining anyone's RP."

Alright this sort of talk has been coming up over and over again and it's starting to get ridiculous.
How is "tot," "revs," "ling," etc., NRP?

Is me saying "traitor" instead of "tot" roleplay? How do you even use the term "roleplay" for a single word? It's mind-boggling. I thought roleplay was, yknow, acting out a character to some degree and pretending you're that character with that job - who declared that roleplay extended to saying a full-length word instead of an abbreviation (an abbreviation which isn't text-speech, mind you)?

Very irritating to see all these references to "NRP." "Tot" isn't fuckin' NRP, it's literally just a slightly faster way of saying "traitor," because anyone who's played this game some length of time knows that "tot" = "traitor," it's a shorthand. No different from how "perp" is shorthand for "perpetrator." Get real.

[WineAllWine]

"The HoP has an emag!" is NRP. For LRP you have to say "The Head of Personnel is in possession of a cryptographic sequencer!"

[mstachife]

Calling a hamburger a burger must make some people absolutely livid

[Pandarsenic]

My Hot Tot take is that "Tot" isn't NRP, it's just like... some Cockney Rhyming Slang bullshit. The only iffy part is that it relies on "Traitor" being an IC term, but we can easily say that much like Nuke Ops, Wizards, Changelings, etc., the antag type (and formerly the game mode) is probably named for what they're commonly called IC, not the other way around, and nobody can really argue it because lore doesn't address it.

So yeah, Traitor > Tator > Tot is fine and obviously materially different from someone yelling ";Amogus!!" in response to a callout of a changeling.

[YBS]

*flip
*spin
*crack
dam soz guys lmao yu rite its jus reg speak lmao xD jus do dis haha so cringe btw tot maint lol sus

Sorry, that sentence string was too long. Don't wanna lose my space game!

[Farquaar]

I don't care about sus
I don't care about tot
But if you spin-flip-clap in front of me, I treat it IC like you just flipped me off.

[Pandarsenic]

The spacegods blessed us with the abilities to flip, to spin, and to clap

And in our simpleminded decadence and debauchery, we spit in their faces by doing all of them at once