Killing antags peanut thread

[Shadowflame909]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=31807

If your too good at your job you turn the round into extended

Weak little heretic didnt deserve this

[Kendrickorium]

unga unga

theres a difference between valid killing and just being a fucking asshole

[chocolate_bickie]

Giving someone a final warning for something that coffee admits was not rule breaking seems beyond shitty.

Classic admin fucked up but dosen't want to admit they made a mistake.

[Scriptis]

ladies and gentlemen, i would like to remind you that this is zyb we're talking about

this note wasn't because he broke the rules. it's because he's consistently a problem child and building a record against him has been nigh impossible because he random names every shift and refuses to interact with players that will actually ahelp his consistently shit conduct

please refer to the discussion in this thread for as to why the admins are starting to actually start documenting zyb's behavior

if he wants his shit behavior to stop being documented, he should stop behaving like shit

the note should stay put under rule 12, which was designed for people like zyb

[Farquaar]

building a record against him has been nigh impossible because he random names every shift

Based

[Scriptis]

Based

normally yeah if he didn't exclusively play a mute security officer. the man has exactly 216 say logs across his last seven roundstart secoff shifts, most of which is "ai open" or "x bad"

i don't know how better to explain to anybody that the man plays this game exclusively for valids and doesn't actually roleplay

edit: for reference, in zyb's last roundstart shift, zyb had 47 say logs as some nameless secoff, summoner99 had 350 say logs as a borg, i had 445 say logs as CE, &c. for one shift. most of zyb's say logs were callouts ("x bad," "x is a y", "x in z"), &c. you can expect this man to communicate with players more than an order of magnitude less than literally anyone else doing the bare minimum

[NoxVS]

Based

normally yeah if he didn't exclusively play a mute security officer. the man has exactly 216 say logs across his last seven roundstart secoff shifts, most of which is "ai open" or "x bad"

i don't know how better to explain to anybody that the man plays this game exclusively for valids and doesn't actually roleplay

edit: for reference, in zyb's last roundstart shift, zyb had 47 say logs as some nameless secoff, summoner99 had 350 say logs as a borg, i had 445 say logs as CE, &c. for one shift. most of zyb's say logs were callouts ("x bad," "x is a y", "x in z"), &c. you can expect this man to communicate with players more than an order of magnitude less than literally anyone else doing the bare minimum

I would love to see what percent of their say logs contain either "AI" or "bad"

[Scriptis]

I would love to see what percent of their say logs contain either "AI" or "bad"

give me ten minutes

[Rohen_Tahir]

This guy should go back to league of legends or something.

[chocolate_bickie]

Based

normally yeah if he didn't exclusively play a mute security officer. the man has exactly 216 say logs across his last seven roundstart secoff shifts, most of which is "ai open" or "x bad"

This information is meaningless unless you give the server average for say logs.

216 over 7 rounds is about 30 says per round.

For 90 minute shifts (coder target) that's about 1 say every 3 minutes. Really doesn't sound that bad.

[Scriptis]

game.txt for most between shifts 182366 (2022-04-30 05:56:30) through 183793 (2022-05-26 02:32:19), where Zyb was present round-start:

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182366.txt  182960.txt  183508.txt  183626.txt  183645.txt  183793.txt
182397.txt  183232.txt  183514.txt  183628.txt  183689.txt
182416.txt  183448.txt  183524.txt  183636.txt  183792.txt

Total SAYs for Zyb:

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Zybwivcz" | wc -l
527

this is an entire fucking month and you only said 527 things, what the fuck

number of times you asked for an AI:

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Zybwivcz" | rg "AI" | wc -l
54

number of times you said "x bad":

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Zybwivcz" | rg "bad" | wc -l
17

number of times you said "x in y":

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Zybwivcz" | rg "^.+?\Win\W.+$" | wc -l
17

number of times you said "x is a y":

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Zybwivcz" | rg "is a" | wc -l
11

from this completely sound method of capturing this information we can conclude that zyb has said, in the past month, at most, 428 things that were not validhunting

edit: barring that "rg \"in\"" is actually stupid but the point still stands
edit: actually providing "x in y"
edit: i am still narrowing this highly accurate forensic method for determining how much of a validhunter zyb is

[blackdav123]

This information is meaningless unless you give the server average for say logs.

216 over 7 rounds is about 30 says per round.

For 90 minute shifts (coder target) that's about 1 say every 3 minutes. Really doesn't sound that bad.

1 say every 3 minutes is like, less than virologist or xenobiologist levels of silence. This is combined with the fact that security has nearly zero job content that does not involve dealing with other players.

[Scriptis]

This information is meaningless unless you give the server average for say logs.

216 over 7 rounds is about 30 says per round.

For 90 minute shifts (coder target) that's about 1 say every 3 minutes. Really doesn't sound that bad.

i am not mothblocks and i bill by the hour for charts

ask for a ckey and i will provide the same post above for that ckey as a metric for how little zyb says. i promise it's that bad

[Pandarsenic]

This information is meaningless unless you give the server average for say logs.

216 over 7 rounds is about 30 says per round.

For 90 minute shifts (coder target) that's about 1 say every 3 minutes. Really doesn't sound that bad.

i am not mothblocks and i bill by the hour for charts

ask for a ckey and i will provide the same post above for that ckey as a metric for how little zyb says. i promise it's that bad

I'm scared to volunteer and yet

Fuck me up fam

[Scriptis]

I'm scared to volunteer and yet

Fuck me up fam

Introducing the first edition of the Brick Mortar Metric For Determining If You Need To Stop Playing!

If more than 25% of your speech over a large period of time is related to calling out antagonists or bothering the AI, you Probably Need To Stop Playing!

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Zybwivcz" > zyb.txt

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat zyb.txt | wc -l
527

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat zyb.txt | rg -wi "(help|bad|ai|traitor|traitors|heretic|heretics|malf|malfunction|malfunctioning|ling|changeling|changelings|kill|killing|rev|revs|revolution|cult|cultists|red eyes|halo|halos|mindshield)" | wc -l
153

Wow! 29% of your SAY logs are about antags! And you don't even talk that much to begin with! You probably Need To Stop Playing!

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Scriptis" > scriptis.txt

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat scriptis.txt | wc -l
1996

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat scriptis.txt | rg -wi "(help|bad|ai|traitor|traitors|heretic|heretics|malf|malfunction|malfunctioning|ling|changeling|changelings|kill|killing|rev|revs|revolution|cult|cultists|red eyes|halo|halos|mindshield)" | wc -l
225

11%! Looking pretty good for a captain/head of staff main!

Let's look at Pandarsenic!

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Pandarsenic" > pandarsenic.txt

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat pandarsenic.txt | wc -l
155

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat pandarsenic.txt | rg -wi "(help|bad|ai|traitor|traitors|heretic|heretics|malf|malfunction|malfunctioning|ling|changeling|changelings|kill|killing|rev|revs|revolution|cult|cultists|red eyes|halo|halos|mindshield)" | wc -l
9

Only 5%! Wow! No validhunting here!

Finally, let's have a look at another Sybil sec main!

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: Agux909" > agux.txt

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat agux.txt | wc -l
255

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat agux.txt | rg -wi "(help|bad|ai|traitor|traitors|heretic|heretics|malf|malfunction|malfunctioning|ling|changeling|changelings|kill|killing|rev|revs|revolution|cult|cultists|red eyes|halo|halos|mindshield)" | wc -l
8

Wow! Only 3%! How is it possible that a security officer can Roleplay?? Impossible!!

Edit: In honor of the person who inspired this metric, I am renaming it to the Zyb Index: the fraction of your SAYs that are validhunting.

[Pandarsenic]

Waiting to see someone's count go up massively when you add "tot" to the list

[Farquaar]

Waiting to see someone's count go up massively when you add "tot" to the list

tot-ally

[wubli]

this dude continues to write bibles on the forums and but refuses to write 2 lines in game
very based to random name and never talk to anyone, really helps with the roleplay

[BONERMASTER]

Waiting to see someone's count go up massively when you add "tot" to the list

Wow! 99% of your say logs are about antags! You probably need a lawyer!


With amazed regards
-BONERMASTER

[Boot]

-snip-

The vast majority of my time was spent as a random namer. I'd love to see my stats on that one.

[TheFinalPotato]

Absolute chad statistics poster.

[NoxVS]

Get a good enough AI (runs around, occasionally attacks anyone nearby with whatever they are holding, says dialogue from a list of like 20 preset lines) controlling enough NPCs and you could probably just shadowban and redirect Zybwivcz to it for a while. I give it 2 months at the minimum until they realize something is up.

[Scriptis]

The vast majority of my time was spent as a random namer. I'd love to see my stats on that one.

The data I have is only shifts Zyb played at from roundstart. You do appear in those shifts with a Zyb Index of 7.2% (27/370), but this is long after you rolled random names.

In fact, let me reiterate on that. I have only been using data here where Zyb was always present. For many of these shifts, other players I have ranked against this set were not present. In some cases, this means that players that did not appear in many of these shifts still said more things than Zyb in all of them.

Wow!

Spoiler:

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Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ rg "SAY: B00t" > b00t.txt

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat b00t.txt | rg -wi "(help|bad|ai|traitor|traitors|heretic|heretics|malf|malfunction|malfunctioning|ling|ling|changeling|changelings|kill|killing|rev|revs|revolution|cult|cultists|eyes|halo|halos|mindshield|tot|sus|syndie|syndicate)" | wc -l
27

Scriptis@citadel MINGW64 ~/Desktop/zyb_logs
$ cat b00t.txt | wc -l
370

[Turbonerd]

AccountName5 Zyb index?

[datorangebottle]

damn, scriptis just walked into a man's note appeal and straight up murdered him with numbers.

[wubli]

never settle for anyone who loves you with less passion than scriptis' hating zyb

[Kendrickorium]

lmao this is a great fucking thread

[Rageguy505]

even i have a hard time restraining heretics as a pacifist, they could jaunt everywhere

[BONERMASTER]

never settle for anyone who loves you with less passion than scriptis' hating zyb

With passionate regards
-BONERMASTER

[Annihilite111]

even i have a hard time restraining heretics as a pacifist, they could jaunt everywhere

Literally just take their focus. They've needed it to jaunt since the rework

[Pandarsenic]

Reviewing his say logs from that round manually, he says a staggering 7 lines that don't appear to be directly related to hunting antags, maaaybe 8. In the whole round. I'm in awe.

[Annihilite111]

Reviewing his say logs from that round manually, he says a staggering 7 lines that don't appear to be directly related to hunting antags, maaaybe 8. In the whole round. I'm in awe.

What were they? I want to behold the quality of zyb's roleplay

[Pandarsenic]

Reviewing his say logs from that round manually, he says a staggering 7 lines that don't appear to be directly related to hunting antags, maaaybe 8. In the whole round. I'm in awe.

What were they? I want to behold the quality of zyb's roleplay

Validhoonting:

12:51:32 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "Arrest Sergio, has a baton" (111, 166, 2) Brig
12:52:38 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "BORG" (85, 148, 2) Storage Wing
12:52:40 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "GET OVER HERE" (84, 147, 2) Storage Wing

01:00:45 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "AI open" (106, 169, 2) Brig
01:00:54 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "missed a spot" (113, 165, 2) Brig
01:01:04 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "nice necklace" (118, 165, 2) Brig

01:02:01 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "well this place is messed up" (92, 182, 2) Prison Wing
01:02:05 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "What happened to permabrig?" (91, 183, 2) Prison Wing
01:03:35 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "AI door" (106, 171, 2) Armory

01:06:14 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "AI door" (117, 129, 2) Captain's Quarters
01:06:33 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "AI door" (117, 129, 2) Captain's Quarters

01:07:03 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "I could if you'd OPEN THE DOOR" (117, 129, 2) Captain's Quarters

01:09:46 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "Get the turret!" (215, 136, 2) AI Satellite Antechamber

01:10:07 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "probably" (107, 137, 2) Bridge
01:10:09 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "all AI are evil" (107, 137, 2) Bridge

01:12:34 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "hey" (109, 99, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
01:12:36 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "heretic brain here" (109, 99, 2) Aft Primary Hallway

01:14:26 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "Who and where?" (134, 93, 2) Research Division
01:14:59 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "AI is Robocop" (126, 97, 2) Security Post - Science

01:17:57 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "shoot him back" (130, 137, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway

01:18:48 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "yeah" (117, 145, 2) Central Primary Hallway
01:18:53 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "didn't say I wouldn't arrest you for it" (115, 145, 2) Central Primary Hallway

01:21:43 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "AI laws" (107, 168, 2) Brig

Other:

12:53:11 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "can't breathe" (84, 161, 2) Vault
12:53:18 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "THAT DOESN'T HELP" (83, 162, 2) Vault
12:53:43 WHISPER Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "death to the borgs" (83, 158, 2) Storage Wing

01:04:36 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "yes?" (117, 165, 2) Brig

01:05:25 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "No beacon" (99, 122, 2) Teleporter Room
01:05:29 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "Tough luck" (102, 127, 2) Command Hallway

01:19:19 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "neat" (121, 144, 2) Central Primary Hallway

01:28:42 SAY Zybwivcz/(Josh Meyers) "good hustle team" (131, 192, 13) Emergency Shuttle

The "can't breathe / doesn't help / death to borgs" is also PROBABLY related to chasing an antag at the vault and dying from something, but I can't be bothered to check that closely. I was similarly generous with the teleporter bit.

Noteworthy: 9% of his messages are the exact phrase ";AI door"

[kieth4]

>play sec
>kill antags as the job is supposed to do
>get cried at by jannies.

What else is he meant to do? Break into song and dance before he restrains antagonists? He's playing security, if it was an assistant I'd understand but some people want to brain off kill antags.

[Omega_DarkPotato]

I'm gonna be honest here and step out of line for about 1 second and say that going brain off antag kill is fine
doing it over and over and over ad infinitum not so much

The problem isn't one specific round, it's not one specific incident, it's that this is ALL zyb does. I'm glad that scriptis showed up with numbers to provide hard evidence for this.
Other sec players somehow manage to show that they can play sec, kill antags, and avoid falling afoul of JANNIES REEE by interacting with other people outside of this wordless NEED to KILL VALID.

[iamgoofball]

This information is meaningless unless you give the server average for say logs.

216 over 7 rounds is about 30 says per round.

For 90 minute shifts (coder target) that's about 1 say every 3 minutes. Really doesn't sound that bad.

i am not mothblocks and i bill by the hour for charts

ask for a ckey and i will provide the same post above for that ckey as a metric for how little zyb says. i promise it's that bad

hit me doc

[Rageguy505]

even i have a hard time restraining heretics as a pacifist, they could jaunt everywhere

Literally just take their focus. They've needed it to jaunt since the rework

I haven't seen any heretice since the update, I just ctrl-f jaunt on the heretic page to check if it still existed

[YBS]

[massa]

[url=https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/ckey/Zybwivcz]

haha I kidnapped this guy and stabbed his eyes with a screwdriver out in maint for the kill last night buckled to a musty bed in a dark side room

[Scriptis]

AccountName5 Zyb index?

Not in any Zyb shifts for the past month. Congratulations!

lmao this is a great fucking thread

ZI 0.7% (1/137)

hit me doc

ZI 3% (12/323)

Congratulations, you nearly said more than Zyb in sixteen shifts in only one shift!

Again, this dataset only includes shifts where Zyb was present at roundstart in the past month.

[blackdav123]

been working hard to get myself a ZI of 100%

[Shadowflame909]

put me in the zyb index scriptis

[Scriptis]

put me in the zyb index scriptis

After stripping out a lot of talking with your cult members over cultspeak or etching runes into your arms, 10.0% for seven shifts (36/358). This doesn't include stripping out discussion in deadchat as well, which you're also very pleasantly active in, and about a quarter beyond that is you offering the AI malf upgrades.

That was a lot of cult speak. Wow, you must really like communicating with your team members!

[Farquaar]

I haven't played in a while (ironic, posting in the player's club) but I wonder if I'm as much of a chatterbox in-game as I think I am.

[wubli]

>play sec
>kill antags as the job is supposed to do
>get cried at by jannies.

What else is he meant to do? Break into song and dance before he restrains antagonists? He's playing security, if it was an assistant I'd understand but some people want to brain off kill antags.

if you are playing exclusively to remove other people from rounds you suck. you have a guy that does not talk. simply clicks on people either as security or an antagonist. every. round.
the joy in security is fighting people, sometimes winning sometimes losing, interrogating people. i personally love when antags murderbone, perhaps not if they always go for the same powergaming gimmick and recall the shuttle to continue their murder spree at the expense of everyone else sitting out.
even if your idea of security is not the same as mine, playing to win is against the rules.
in security, the idea is making rounds fun, not turning them into greenshifts at roundstart because a heretic dared to touch an airlock near their rune. there is nothing that hurts me more than catching a guy who goes "i haven't even done anything yet", because i've been there personally. it suuucks and you've provided nothing to the round.
how can it be so hard to play a multiplayer, roleplaying game, and engage with people? why play for the sole purpose of removing them from the game, every single round that you play?

[Shadowflame909]

put me in the zyb index scriptis

After stripping out a lot of talking with your cult members over cultspeak or etching runes into your arms, 10.0% for seven shifts (36/358). This doesn't include stripping out discussion in deadchat as well, which you're also very pleasantly active in, and about a quarter beyond that is you offering the AI malf upgrades.

That was a lot of cult speak. Wow, you must really like communicating with your team members!

>mfw I talk the most as antag.



When your not robust, you must rely on the power of friendship

Im banished to the zyb ai npc server

[san7890]

There was another thread the other day with a quote I liked from blackdav123 (can't directly quote it from here since the thread is closed lawl). I have bolded some parts that I find particularly interesting:

viewtopic.php?p=640872#p640872

yeah desworders getting bludgeoned to death by everyone in the room is natural but I wish we were more MRP when it comes to situations where someone is trying to figure out whether someone is an antag or not. do we really need to check the shoes for hidden weapons? check for implants? I watched a clown get murdered for being a "heretic" and he was unable to fight back and did not use any abilities as he was shotgunned and beat to death by a shaft miner larping as sec. the detective decided to drag his corpse to med and had his heart replaced to ensure he wasnt a heretic.

I think my point is that the game would be more fun if people tried to do escalation with antags as they do with nonantags. You wouldnt shove someone to the floor and beat them to death with a toolbox if they are hacking into tool storage, so why should you do so if you see them use an airlock card on it? Because they are the bad guy? When the traitor whips out their esword to try and take you out as a witness, that should be your green light to beat them to death however you see fit.

I remember while I was playing, there was a concept of wanting to "validhunt"... because you didn't roll antagonist. Thus, you could still feel like you're powerful and be able to train your unga 2D spessman skillz, without needing to have to lucked out and gotten rules-protection and other gear. You can just simply tide the fire axe or other high-damage items on the station and start slurking around maintenance looking to cave someone's head in (who was probably just preparing to get stuff started and may have actually been an interesting addition to the round). It's one thing to get caught, but it's another thing to get caught and immediately executed without being able to plead for your life.

I had an experience as a traitor engineer where some departmental guard found and caught me, but instead of deciding to add a dent to my skull, they took me to the brig and I was able to plead with the Head of Security for my life in exchange for the 12 TC or whatever I had in my uplink. Granted, that security officer did a full search (like even popped out my headset keys to get my traitor radio), but at least I wasn't just... dead. You don't need to shitcan someone to have an antagonistic experience with them, and it was a seven minutes conversation over me getting my freedom back in exchange for my precious red crystals. There's no stakes in this video game, you don't get to win a trophy or play on a competitive team for clicking someone as opposed to just... typing. Granted, you also need the person to reciprocate the favor rather than have them dessicate your corpse, but maybe that's just borne out of the fear that you weren't going to type and instead would ruin their round?

It's hard to put my thoughts into words. Hopefully that makes sense.

[Itseasytosee2me]

Extorting and blackmailing antagonists that you have the upper hand on is much more rewarding then killing them. Wouldn't personally do it too often as sec, but its pretty fun.

[san7890]

Extorting and blackmailing antagonists that you have the upper hand on is much more rewarding then killing them. Wouldn't personally do it too often as sec, but its pretty fun.

"If you don't pony me up with no-slips and a pack of playing cards, I'll tell the crew who you really are... now go mush and kill Runtime or something."

[Boot]

You wouldnt shove someone to the floor and beat them to death with a toolbox if they are hacking into tool storage

To be clear here I have death matched greys for hacking into Cargo/Medical. If I ask you not to hack into my department and refuse to leave then one of us is going to be horizontal at the end of it.