Peanut thread - Lucy cicero brawls with her friends, gets banned.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Peanut thread for: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=32117

Basically, Lucy Cicero keeps fighting with her friends in public areas for no legit IC RP reasons, and it's apparently interfering with shifts. The ban reason implies they have been spoken to about this issue before, therefore making this most likely a ban under rules 0&1. However, something tells me a lot of people might not agree with the ban, hence the peanut thread.

Free fuel for you guys to reeee about - I agree with the ban - if you're noted for something, you stop doing it and you appeal the note if you disagree with it. Ignoring the note and continuing your actions regardless, it's your own fault if you get banned for that. Of course, this is ASSUMING they were noted for this in the past, I can only work based on assumptions here, but the ban reason does imply they have been.

[RaveRadbury]

upheld ban

[RaveRadbury]

I still don’t really understand the ban. Should people avoid fighting in departments? It’s only a problem if it keeps happening I suppose but I find myself in fights very often - do I now have to ensure all of them take place in the halls to avoid the possibility of disturbing someone and getting noted?

That’s a bit silly to me. If you’re not actually preventing people from doing their job, e.g. healing people, then your presence itself really shouldn’t be ahelpable.

Bruh I am not stopping you from doing your job by running my klaxon in here shut the fuck up bro I'm just having fun do your job I'm not stopping you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5sp4WgbWnY

what do you mean I'm distracting you I'm not touching you are you gonna say that being in your space is a problem what are you gonna do ahelp me?

[kieth4]

I still don’t really understand the ban. Should people avoid fighting in departments? It’s only a problem if it keeps happening I suppose but I find myself in fights very often - do I now have to ensure all of them take place in the halls to avoid the possibility of disturbing someone and getting noted?

That’s a bit silly to me. If you’re not actually preventing people from doing their job, e.g. healing people, then your presence itself really shouldn’t be ahelpable.

Tldr: Don't play sybil

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

I still don’t really understand the ban. Should people avoid fighting in departments? It’s only a problem if it keeps happening I suppose but I find myself in fights very often - do I now have to ensure all of them take place in the halls to avoid the possibility of disturbing someone and getting noted?

That’s a bit silly to me. If you’re not actually preventing people from doing their job, e.g. healing people, then your presence itself really shouldn’t be ahelpable.

I think it's because they were doing it over and over every single shift and it was massively interfering with other people's shifts.

[Archie700]

I still don’t really understand the ban. Should people avoid fighting in departments? It’s only a problem if it keeps happening I suppose but I find myself in fights very often - do I now have to ensure all of them take place in the halls to avoid the possibility of disturbing someone and getting noted?

That’s a bit silly to me. If you’re not actually preventing people from doing their job, e.g. healing people, then your presence itself really shouldn’t be ahelpable.

People have already given reasons:
1. It wastes supplies if people loot the medical supplies to heal themselves
2. It distracts doctors by making them heal/revive the brawlers instead of other people needing medical treatment especially during high stress situations (morguing or borging them can't be done the first time)
3. People not aware of the gimmick might interfere and the brawl might turn messy
4. One reason not stated, this is especially troubling for asimov silicons, who have to intervene on those fights on sight when they see them and may end up having to kill nonhumans involved because of it

And this was done over multiple shifts and Lucy has been warned of this before
I don't even believe there was an IC reason for those fights besides people just suddenly shoving and fighting each other, at least from what I've seen of it

[massa]

These people are just clearly control freaks at this point. They aren't enforcing rules that make the game better, just imposing their sensibilities and behaviors on others and physically removing them with their appointed power. 4 days jit?

[CMDR_Gungnir]

"hey don't do something that just disrupts everyone else and makes it worse for them, and has no purpose other than entertaining you and like, three other people. do it somewhere else if you MUST do it"

"THIS IS ABUSE OF POWER! THIS IS LIKE GEORGE ORWELL'S 1984!!!"

[Lacran]

I can't randomly brawl with my metafriends for weeks on end ignoring any and all issues involved with it. Literally animal farm 1984

[massa]

"hey don't do something that just disrupts everyone else and makes it worse for them, and has no purpose other than entertaining you and like, three other people. do it somewhere else if you MUST do it"

"THIS IS ABUSE OF POWER! THIS IS LIKE GEORGE ORWELL'S 1984!!!"

Stop coping dude. It doesn't disrupt shit, it's just some greys shoving eachother in the hallway. This has been the case since literally over a decade ago. It's just art, the flow of a river, and irrelevant. It's fun, it's the game, it's /tg/station. It's a non-issue, these bans are a mix of control freaks and an attempt to shift server culture.

Medbay's "resources" aren't drained, and medbay thieves are dealt with. You're just fine with this imposing of behaviors. A lot of these recent bans have been admins having a problem with culture, and the actual population of their servers. That's weird, and it's creating a rift that people are bitching pretty loud about. This isn't about the rules, and this isn't about "disruption".

[CPTANT]

That's it guys, consensual brawls are now forbidden.

[massa]

A lot of the people shitting on this ban as somehow deserved are Manuel players? You'd prefer servers that weren't as chaotic, but why are you trying to bring that to Sybil? You got your OWN server to get away from what we do, specifically segregated to avoid this. We do not want this server culture on LRP.

[Farquaar]

That's it guys, consensual brawls are now forbidden.

Go to the boxing ring.
Go to the holodeck.
Build a rage cage.
Start a fight club in maint.
Ask the department head for permission to duel in their department.
Literally anything except "there my metafrien so wejust punch each othr xd"

[Lacran]

A lot of the people shitting on this ban as somehow deserved are Manuel players? You'd prefer servers that weren't as chaotic, but why are you trying to bring that to Sybil? You got your OWN server to get away from what we do, specifically segregated to avoid this. We do not want this server culture on LRP.

It's not chaotic if you do it all the fucking time, it's just fucking weird to Fight Club your metafriends in people's workplaces

[chocolate_bickie]

This is why metagangs are cringe and proof that the only value they generate is drama.

[Pandarsenic]

I still don’t really understand the ban. Should people avoid fighting in departments? It’s only a problem if it keeps happening I suppose but I find myself in fights very often - do I now have to ensure all of them take place in the halls to avoid the possibility of disturbing someone and getting noted?

That’s a bit silly to me. If you’re not actually preventing people from doing their job, e.g. healing people, then your presence itself really shouldn’t be ahelpable.

If you haven't been disruptive enough to get a "hey tone it down" note then you don't really need to worry about it

[NoxVS]

A lot of the people shitting on this ban as somehow deserved are Manuel players? You'd prefer servers that weren't as chaotic, but why are you trying to bring that to Sybil? You got your OWN server to get away from what we do, specifically segregated to avoid this. We do not want this server culture on LRP.

I counted 22 individuals who (as far as I could tell) voiced support for this ban being deserved. I also threw myself in to the count because why not. Using publicly available scrubby play hours, I have discovered the following:

Of those 22 individuals, a grand total of 6, or roughly 27% of those supporting this ban, are MRP players. An MRP player, in this instance, is defined as a player with more MRP hours than LRP hours.

The remaining 16 players who appeared to voice support for this ban were all players with significantly more LRP hours than MRP hours. That is roughly 73% of all support for the ban found in this thread.

Fun fact - Of that 16 players, 14 of them have more LRP hours than you! That's roughly 64% of all people supporting this ban! Isn't math wonderful?


So, to sum things up:

A lot of the people shitting on this ban as somehow deserved are Manuel players?

Citation needed.

We do not want this server culture on LRP.

Citation needed.

[Boot]

Medbay's "resources" aren't drained.

Just think about how stupid this is. How many times a shift do you think sutures and mesh are being replenished? I've seen botany give us the mats for it maybe 5 times and we are already using our cargo order to get more blood since we already had to burn through 4 bags on the brawlers. Every start of the shift there is a mad dash for the medkits and Multiver that arn't behind locked doors. Whenever I try to save some resources by using surgery or cryo people act like im trying to molest them.

[Farquaar]

snip

Based math
Though I’m curious if I count as an MRP player. I’m a Sybillite through and through, but I do like roleplay when it’s not done the Manuel way.

[BONERMASTER]

OWNED by counting numbers, ahahahaha!!


With statistically likely regards
-BONERMASTER

[toemas]

Just think about how stupid this is. How many times a shift do you think sutures and mesh are being replenished? I've seen botany give us the mats for it maybe 5 times and we are already using our cargo order to get more blood since we already had to burn through 4 bags on the brawlers. Every start of the shift there is a mad dash for the medkits and Multiver that arn't behind locked doors. Whenever I try to save some resources by using surgery or cryo people act like im trying to molest them.

it takes like less than a minute to make healing chems now that fermichem is gone. If your consistently using cryo/surgery on living people, then your not a very good doctor

[Super Aggro Crag]

have fun somewhere else shithead

[wesoda25]

I don’t get what the fuss is about. I don’t think that telling people to be more considerate about how they go about having their fun so as to minimize problems (see archie post and Lucy’s note history) is an unfair or unreasonable thing to do. In Lucy’s case it did not appear that telling them did/would achieve much so I escalated to a ban.

If it means anything to you Lucy I’ll join you in a 3 day ban myself

[Itseasytosee2me]

it takes like less than a minute to make healing chems now that fermichem is gone. If your consistently using cryo/surgery on living people, then your not a very good doctor

FERMICHEM IS GONE WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN I'VE BEEN ON BREAK TOO LONG

[NoxVS]

snip

Based math
Though I’m curious if I count as an MRP player. I’m a Sybillite through and through, but I do like roleplay when it’s not done the Manuel way.

You were considered an LRP player for this. If you go on scrubby and check your ckey, it will show your hours. Those who had more combined MRP hours were considered MRP players. Those who had more combined LRP hours were considered LRP players. I believe for the vast majority (since I may be forgetting some examples that go against what I am about to say) of players, the difference was a matter of days rather than hours. So no real cases of something like a person having a 1 hour difference and as such is considered to belong to whatever group had 1 more hour of playtime than the other

[bastardblaster]

math

btfod

[CursedBirb]

it takes like less than a minute to make healing chems now that fermichem is gone. If your consistently using cryo/surgery on living people, then your not a very good doctor

FERMICHEM IS GONE WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN I'VE BEEN ON BREAK TOO LONG

If I recall it was this week and its not gone but gutted.
Now when you make libital and get 75% purity you have all that chem with 75%. Zero bad stuff only that chem. Now that you know that purity still exist it's matter only for two things: 1. Chems like libital which heal is based on purity. 2. Inverted chems. Now when you cross inverted threshold your chem becomes all inverted. So TLDR: the worst part was removed

[Farquaar]

If I recall it was this week and its not gone but gutted.
Now when you make libital and get 75% purity you have all that chem with 75%. Zero bad stuff only that chem. Now that you know that purity still exist it's matter only for two things: 1. Chems like libital which heal is based on purity. 2. Inverted chems. Now when you cross inverted threshold your chem becomes all inverted. So TLDR: the worst part was removed

Oh nice, we still get to keep inverted chems and a reason to monitor pH without having to make synthflesh patches with a chem content including twenty decimal places.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Local tgstation players physically unable to not run thing that was funny to them once into the ground and get it taken away from everyone, what else is new

[massa]

snip

Based math
Though I’m curious if I count as an MRP player. I’m a Sybillite through and through, but I do like roleplay when it’s not done the Manuel way.

no if you scroll down your melonmesa it's basically 2 straight years of manuel sorry bro

also your takes are MRP in general

I knew I was right to ignore Nox's fake bogus statistics!!!

[nianjiilical]

nobody is saying you cant get into dumb brawls with your friends but if you get to the point where every single round medbay mains see you talking on common radio and start pre-emptively making sulfonal and circular saws for when you show up and make a mess of everything its probably justifiable for admins to ask you to chill a little

[sinfulbliss]

People have already given reasons:
1. It wastes supplies if people loot the medical supplies to heal themselves
2. It distracts doctors by making them heal/revive the brawlers instead of other people needing medical treatment especially during high stress situations (morguing or borging them can't be done the first time)
3. People not aware of the gimmick might interfere and the brawl might turn messy
4. One reason not stated, this is especially troubling for asimov silicons, who have to intervene on those fights on sight when they see them and may end up having to kill nonhumans involved because of it

1. There are worse things than a medikit getting stolen, I recommend stocking up as a doctor or getting healing chems. The person is open to escalation for looting them regardless.
2. No one is “making” the doctors revive the brawlers. You can just, you know, not heal them if you want, and heal other people instead.
3. If you interfere in a fight you have no context about, it’s on you, but in this situation again no one was injured and it never turned messy. If an innocent doctor dies as a result then of course now that’s something you’d ahelp.
4. Asimov++ was literally created in part to allow consensual fights and make it clear to silicons they aren’t expected to interfere in these.

-snip-

This makes sense.

[Drag]

I still don’t really understand the ban. Should people avoid fighting in departments? It’s only a problem if it keeps happening I suppose but I find myself in fights very often - do I now have to ensure all of them take place in the halls to avoid the possibility of disturbing someone and getting noted?

That’s a bit silly to me. If you’re not actually preventing people from doing their job, e.g. healing people, then your presence itself really shouldn’t be ahelpable.

The issue in this case is because Lucy was warned multiple times to stop the behavior they were now recently banned for. It's one thing to fuck around in the halls or in the holodeck, it's another to completely derail a department and steal the attention of multiple people who just want you to leave. And let me be very clear, The warnings and ban cropped up because of the LOCATION and the FREQUENCY IN THE LOCATION. This situation absolutely falls under rule 1 and 12 because of how it directly impacts other people, the fighting is annoying at best and round ruining at worst.

[cacogen]

i think that because it involves this lucy cicero chap that it was a valid ban

[Farquaar]

snip

Based math
Though I’m curious if I count as an MRP player. I’m a Sybillite through and through, but I do like roleplay when it’s not done the Manuel way.

no if you scroll down your melonmesa it's basically 2 straight years of manuel sorry bro

also your takes are MRP in general

I knew I was right to ignore Nox's fake bogus statistics!!!

I personally saw the decline of Manuel in real time. Hence why I went back to Sybil, where the real MRP is at.

[Super Aggro Crag]

not enough racism on manuel tbh

[Farquaar]

not enough racism on manuel tbh

True. It’s why the xeno metagangs have flourished to the point of departmental dominance.

[RaveRadbury]

True. It’s why the xeno metagangs have flourished to the point of departmental dominance.

I stg you bring this up every time even when it's not on topic. Looking forward to your follow up on why static naming is bad.

We get it, you vape.

P.S. Love you bby fr fr you're an oldie and a goldie

[Super Aggro Crag]

True. It’s why the xeno metagangs have flourished to the point of departmental dominance.

I stg you bring this up every time even when it's not on topic. Looking forward to your follow up on why static naming is bad.

We get it, you vape.

P.S. Love you bby fr fr you're an oldie and a goldie

heart emoji is a stinky lizerd

[RaveRadbury]

heart emoji is a stinky lizerd

Crag is right

[Lacran]

Manuel def has a metagang/clique issue, but its not a non human thing.

[Farquaar]

True. It’s why the xeno metagangs have flourished to the point of departmental dominance.

I stg you bring this up every time even when it's not on topic. Looking forward to your follow up on why static naming is bad.

We get it, you vape.

P.S. Love you bby fr fr you're an oldie and a goldie

I should develop citations for my forum posts so I can draw from my existing body of work.

heart emoji is a stinky lizerd

True but we love her anyway

[Timonk]

Fart emoji

[Super Aggro Crag]

Fart emoji

[Mooshimi]

Did he stop fighting with his metafriend when his coworkers told him to stop or gtfo to a boxing ring? Or was the admin interaction the first pushback the behaviour received? (I’m talking about over time, not just the banning instance)

I've personally had lots of headbutting with Lucy Cicero about this IC, before starting to ticket. Like, this is the same behavior from 2019.

[cybersaber101]

If you're so punch happy take it to holodeck or library instead of medbay

Little squabbles breaking out in departments is a good thing, it adds life to them. The conflict and chaos is part of why it’s fun to play a multiplayer game. If the goal was a job simulator with peace and quiet, LRP isn’t the best option.

it's already upheld and over but do you read at all?

[Timonk]

Medbay mains don't actually want to do healing

[celularLAmp]

Medbay's "resources" aren't drained.

Just think about how stupid this is. How many times a shift do you think sutures and mesh are being replenished? I've seen botany give us the mats for it maybe 5 times and we are already using our cargo order to get more blood since we already had to burn through 4 bags on the brawlers. Every start of the shift there is a mad dash for the medkits and Multiver that arn't behind locked doors. Whenever I try to save some resources by using surgery or cryo people act like im trying to molest them.

synthflesh factory

[Boot]

Just think about how stupid this is. How many times a shift do you think sutures and mesh are being replenished? I've seen botany give us the mats for it maybe 5 times and we are already using our cargo order to get more blood since we already had to burn through 4 bags on the brawlers. Every start of the shift there is a mad dash for the medkits and Multiver that arn't behind locked doors. Whenever I try to save some resources by using surgery or cryo people act like im trying to molest them.

synthflesh factory

1. Doctors don't got access to the chem factory room.
2. I ain't signing up as a medical doctor to do the chemists job.