Officer Reider loots cultist bartender giga shitter serxule of their shotgun. Gets metagrudged then banned.

[Turbonerd]

Bottom post of the previous page:

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They're both shitters, though I'd say serxule is not any ordinary shitter, but a giga shitter. It's a literal shit fest of shitters shitting on each other like chimpanzees.

[NoxVS]

you have to defend your actions to nice people (VERY DIFFICULT) many of whom hold real tangible political power

I thought that being promoted to admin meant I was above the whole heart rate spike whenever you hear a bwoink go through, until all of the sudden I had a headmin sending me a discord message asking if I have a moment. Almost had a heart attack.

[CPTANT]

The new response is pretty dumb.

Taking a shotgun of a dead cultist isn't confiscating an item unrelated to a crime, because you know, being a cultist IS a crime. The conflict was actually started by demanding the shotgun back and immediately stunning. Who the fuck is ever going to give it back when that happens, especially if you don't know 100% someone isn't a cultist any more?

I don't get why everyone keeps saying security has metaprotections here. It's clear that nobody was going to note anybody for stunning the officer for getting the shit back, it's all 100% IC escalation by both sides.

[Mice World]

This seems like it would be more appropriate as a rule 12 ban and even that's pushing it.

Should Reider have shotgun on him? Probably not. Should the bartender then try to loot Reider while he is stunned? Absolutely not.
This could've been solved if the bartender spent more time talking with Reider instead of giving him broad orders and acting aggressively when he didn't follow them. Now the reason Reider was carrying the shotgun is poor and it obviously breaks rule 12, but it's cult. As sec you kill or get killed, not really much you can do.

In a game that is 80% communication it's kind of sad how aggressive everyone acts, I've dealt with so many rounds where a player decides to attack me instead of using their words to attempt to solve a simple conflict. Most fights could easily be resolved using basic communication instead of force. In this case the bartender should've just made it clear they wanted their shotgun back before trying to take it with force. If Reider refused the bartender could've then escalated but chances are if they used their words properly, Reider would have no reason to refuse. You could argue that Reider should've tried communicating more as well and I'd agree with that. But, it's still on the bartender to try his best as the HoS has much bigger fish to fry. The HoS only hand five seconds to reply before being stunned, so I take this back.

[CPTANT]

This seems like it would be more appropriate as a rule 12 ban and even that's pushing it.

Should Reider have shotgun on him? Probably not. Should the bartender then try to loot Reider while he is stunned? Absolutely not.
This could've been solved if the bartender spent more time talking with Reider instead of giving him broad orders and acting aggressively when he didn't follow them. Now the reason Reider was carrying the shogun is poor and it obviously breaks rule 12, but it's cult. As sec you kill or get killed, not really much you can do. You could argue that Reider should've tried communicating more as well and I'd agree with that. But, it's still on the bartender to try his best as the HoS has much bigger fish to fry.

In a game that is 80% communication it's kind of sad how aggressive everyone acts, I've dealt with so many rounds where a player decides to attack me instead of using their words to attempt to solve a simple conflict. Most fights could easily be resolved using basic communication instead of force. In this case the bartender should've just made it clear they wanted their shotgun back before trying to take it with force. If Reider refused the bartender could've then escalated but chances are if they used their words properly, Reider would have no reason to refuse.

Why shouldn't he take a shotgun of a dead cultist?

[Mice World]

Why shouldn't he take a shotgun of a dead cultist?

He should. But keeping it for personal use just because "it's better than the laser guns!" is playing to win. Now, personally I wouldn't take it but I understand why someone else would. As I said it's cult, not much you can do. If I was an admin I wouldn't ban someone for keeping the shotgun unless they had an extremely large amount of powergaming related notes.

[CPTANT]

Why shouldn't he take a shotgun of a dead cultist?

He should. But keeping it for personal use just "because it's better than the laser guns!" is playing to win. Now, personally I wouldn't take it but I understand why someone else would. As I said it's cult, not much you can do. If I was an admin I wouldn't ban someone for keeping the shotgun unless they had an extremely large amount of powergaming related notes.

Pffffff, if that is what constitutes powergaming nowadays.

[Mice World]

Pffffff, if that is what constitutes powergaming nowadays.

No matter how you look at it, it's powergaming. Does it really matter? No. People doing minor amounts of powergaming isn't really an issue. It only becomes an issue when all you do is play to win. I'm not saying Reider plays like this, I've only seen them twice. But I was trying to mention that the only good reason I could see an admin banning Reider here was if it was a rule 12 ban, because this seems like a textbook IC issue.

[CPTANT]

Grabbing a toolbox from storage is powergaming.

[Mice World]

Grabbing a toolbox from storage is powergaming.

If that's what you think powergaming is then sure!

EDIT: I responded sarcastically to this because I assumed you were just trying to bait me, but I wanted to make something clear just on the off chance you're actually being serious.

If you want to get SUPER technical, then yes, taking tools does count as powergaming.

Powergaming (or power gaming or optimization) is a style of interacting with games or game-like systems, particularly video games, boardgames, and role-playing games, with the aim of maximizing progress towards a specific goal. Other players may consider this disruptive when done to the exclusion of all other considerations, such as storytelling, atmosphere and camaraderie. When focusing on the letter of the rules over the spirit of the rules, it is often seen as unsporting, un-fun, or unsociable. This behavior is most often found in games with a wide range of game features, lengthy campaigns or prize tournaments such as massively multiplayer or collectible games.

But before you start calling me a sensitive loser/banbot wannabe, taking tools is powergaming but It doesn't matter. Taking them doesn't immediately hurt someone's round, but taking someone's personal belongings just so you have a higher chances of staying alive (The goal) is powergaming that does matter. In this case it's understandable. The station is filled with cultists and the HoS is worried about dying so he takes an upgrade. Nothing inherently wrong with that. It is powergaming but he has a good reason to do it. However, it also does hurt someone's round, remember that the bartender is also trying to stay alive and in this situation he needs his gun. This is where rule 12 becomes a little muddy because while you wouldn't ever ban the HoS for just taking the shotgun, if he constantly JUST plays to win without any care for the people he's hurting then you have a problem. If Reider is known to have a powergaming mindset (again not saying this is the case) then I could understand why an admin would take issue in him looting the gun for himself.

Would you be happy if, as an engineer, during a malf round the HoS steals your insulated gloves so he doesn't get shocked? I assume not. While this example is a little different they both end up with the same result, one player is hurt because the other player wanted to win. In most cases this ends up being an IC issue (as it should) but in rare situations where an admin believes that a player is constantly causing issues for others, the player should be banned/noted.

[kieth4]

I'm sure the Hos Could have responded in the 5 seconds between the first comment and the attack, if anything, he should be punished for being too slow!

[Agux909]

Nox can you please tell me where do you get your reasoning from when you say that he started the escalation by stealing his shotgun? Because now it seems all the ban dangles on that thread, and, as you yourself said on the appeal, you can't really have it both ways:

First of all, I did not intend to rob a rando of their stuff in the beginning, I took the shotgun while they were a cultist after a messy fight at the cult base

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with this. It's perfectly fine to grab stuff off a dead/dying cultist.

This already escalated the conflict to an almost lethal, maybe even lethal one. This significantly reduces, and probably gets rid of my obligation to give it back. Stun batons are treated as lethal weapons due to their very strong ability to incapacitate someone.

Which is normally fine. A player randomly stunning you can be pretty easily treated as a lethal attack in the moment. You can't consider it to be a random attempt on your life when you actually did something to justify it. If you take something from someone, they are fully justified in stunning you to take it back. If you want to be able to consider stuns as lethal, then don't wrong people in such a way that they are justified in going after you.

Reider didn't start any escalation because he stole something from an antagonist, which is an action fully protected by rule 4:

4. Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.

Except metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.

Reider might be playing-to-win by taking a shotgun from a cultist and then using it for himself, we can all agree on this. But he's definitely NOT starting an escalation-type of conflict with a player by stealing it, when the aforementioned player was a cultist. He didn't wrong anybody, the shotgun was lost to the bartender and that's it. He was using it/carrying it when he was an antagonist and now that he isn't, he doesn't have it. He can try to get it if he gets deconverted, sure, but he's not entitled to it being returned to him, that's part of RULE 10. You can even replace the shotgun with any other desired item from another job/department, and it should follow the same logic (RD and a hand tele, CMO and the belt defib, a botanist and their gloves/nettle, etc). Yeah rule 10 is not just about "dying" or "losing", but things not going the way you'd like to, sometimes you just have to move on. If you lose an item when you die, you can't really expect to have it back if you manage to get revived, and hell, I say this doubles if you were an antagonist while you lost it.

Now, Moffler/Serxule actually did try to get the shotgun. Regardless of the decision from Reider to give it back or not, the one initiating escalation here is Moffler when trying to steal the shotgun as a non-antagonist, after the circumstances described above. The shotgun was now in posession of Reider and he was using it. Moffler jumped to insults and stunning instead of asking for it politely and explaining that he really wanted it now, after being deconverted.

As I said in my previous post, both parties acted awfully, but Reider did NOT start any conflict. Please enlighten me if I'm missing something that indicates he has because I can't see it.
I still think this was an IC issue and you shouldn't have gotten involved at all.

[Qbmax32]

Moths were a mistake

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[Dax Dupont]

Moths were a mistake

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You're an admin, we're all undefendable.

[Qbmax32]

admirable riposte, also based

[Archie700]

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10:40:42	SAY	Serxule/(Muffler) "reider give me back all my shit"

And then this guy comes in and stunprods me out of nowhere, who might/was working with them

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10:40:47	ATTACK	Tag114/(Andrew Davis) stun attacked Maskenary/(Reider Meza) with the stunprod (NEWHP: 78)

And off of that, they try to loot me, including my bag

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10:40:51	ATTACK	Serxule/(Muffler) is stripping Maskenary/(Reider Meza) of the sawn-off Super Shotgun.
10:40:51	ATTACK	Serxule/(Muffler) is stripping Maskenary/(Reider Meza) of the leather satchel.

This is not cool and increased my reluctance to give them something by a lot, why would I want to return it if that happened
They were also quite rude about returning the shotgun

I had also not recieved any confirmation that they were deconverted yet, so it was still possible they could be dangerous. Medbay staff do often just revive crit/dead bodies without asking questions. Especially because their bag was not on them I think to show their dagger.

As conpensation for what I had taken, I offered a energy gun in exchange

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10:42:51	SAY	Maskenary/(Reider Meza) "ill trade it"
10:42:54	SAY	Maskenary/(Reider Meza) "for a laser"

Which is plenty enough for any self defense. If they clearly stated what they really needed the shotgun specifically for, I might have even given the shotgun back. I did not just want to rob this guy of everything.

Reidar had already tried to de-escalate by offering a laser as recompose for the shotgun

[Kendrickorium]

alright guys you are getting dangerously close to starsector time

this is your warning flag

[CMDR_Gungnir]

[Snip]

The thing is though, when you're able to deconvert, it's generally considered a Giga Shitter Move (and a rulebreak on MRP, is it also on LRP? I assume so, but if I'm not then I'll concede the point somewhat) because it's not exactly reasonable to hold someone's crimes against them that they committed while converted, or brainwashed. So while yeah, he's within his rights to loot a cultist and take the shotgun, and it's fine to use it. Hell he'd be within his rights to loot a dead Crew-aligned person and use it.

But once they're deconverted, the item is theirs again. It's a Dick Move not to return it, and I would argue that short of an antag taking something, the Bartender is entitled to his shotgun unless he's misusing it.

This isn't to say I'm on Serxule's side, either. He absolutely fuckin' botched the situation too, and I'm not gonna speak on everything that came after that point. But just that I think Reider's attitude on the situation wasn't great, and I don't think we should be pushing for an outcome where "Yeah this dude used his Job's Unique Equipment when he was forced into it by Conversion Antag Status, so I confiscated it and chose to keep it because it was mine." is a good or allowed thing.

[SkeletalElite]

[Snip]

and a rulebreak on MRP, is it also on LRP? I assume so, but if I'm not then I'll concede the point somewhat

Killing cultists on LRP even if you can deconvert them is not against the rules.
They are antags. Non antags can do whatever they want to antags as per rule 4.

[MooCow12]

I`m with Reider on this one simply because he doesn`t explicitly abuse his meta protection to get away with a problem he made when he`s in the wrong.

What I mean by that is he doesn`t whine for help like a little bitch and call for backup when he gets dunked on, he deals with problems he made on his own and when he`s a shitter as command staff he is very obvious about it to the point where players are comfortable enough to lynch him without fear of getting in trouble with an admin.

Infact Reider managed to get lynched twice between this incident and the time it took for an admin to ban him, (He was lynched by non antags on the evac shuttle and then the next round lynched again over stuff that I dont think was nearly as much his fault and then he got banned)

I prefer him over a lot of other command players who simply try to get away with this sort of behavior and use their authority/position to play dirty by labeling their victims as the bad guy.



Although he does go too far sometimes, like a couple days ago he (I`m assuming random searched because neither the victim nor Reider himself knew why Reider searched them) a Roboticist who was in toolstorage, batoned them, took them to check point, found a toy emag, killed them, then realized their mistake. Thats not the bad part, the bad part was he fully demoted a security officer and left them with nothing but a jumpsuit, shoes, assistant id, no backpack, all because the security officer tried to arrest Reider for Murdering the innocent roboticist who was just standing in tool storage and had a toy emag in their backpack.

This was pretty much crippling someone else`s round for explicitly doing their job and following space law and the only time I`ve seen Reider try to flash his meta protection and call any justice against him "Insubordination"

And this is a much better example of something that admins need to start cracking down on or at least encourage players to deal with it IC because command staff are getting away with it too often.

[Omega_DarkPotato]

alright guys you are getting dangerously close to starsector time

this is your warning flag

did you hear that UAF's adding a new capital missile battleship?
larger than the Purcellyra, which is already a capital, but smaller than their supercapitals

greater capital? Not sure what I'd call the middle of the pack like that.
the Vioceleste. Supposedly carries a MIRV nuclear weapon that's larger than the semibreve too, for whatever fucking reason. God knows the semibreve already is large enough and hits like a bus



oh
yeah
one more thing for the peanut
I found it really, really funny where people were asking scriptis why he resigned and then immediately saying "wtf why are u asking me when I'll admin up that shit's tough and unbearable have you seen the shit they have to do"
perhaps there's a connection

I wouldn't become an admin now if I knew how it was going to be
I sometimes feel bad about being a trainer because I bring people into this
join up today, make a difference

[Epicgamer545]

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Yeah, I’m not gonna read this one.
I’ll just believe what the headmins rules.

[Qbmax32]

alright guys you are getting dangerously close to starsector time

this is your warning flag

did you hear that UAF's adding a new capital missile battleship?
larger than the Purcellyra, which is already a capital, but smaller than their supercapitals

greater capital? Not sure what I'd call the middle of the pack like that.
the Vioceleste. Supposedly carries a MIRV nuclear weapon that's larger than the semibreve too, for whatever fucking reason. God knows the semibreve already is large enough and hits like a bus



oh
yeah
one more thing for the peanut
I found it really, really funny where people were asking scriptis why he resigned and then immediately saying "wtf why are u asking me when I'll admin up that shit's tough and unbearable have you seen the shit they have to do"
perhaps there's a connection

I wouldn't become an admin now if I knew how it was going to be
I sometimes feel bad about being a trainer because I bring people into this
join up today, make a difference

its been over a YEAR SINCE 0.95 WHERE IS THE NEXT UPDATE

[Epicgamer545]

I wouldn't become an admin now if I knew how it was going to be
I sometimes feel bad about being a trainer because I bring people into this

GODDAMNIT MOTH IT’S TOO LATE WHY HAVEN’T YOU TOLD ME THIS SOONER

[Kendrickorium]

alright guys you are getting dangerously close to starsector time

this is your warning flag

did you hear that UAF's adding a new capital missile battleship?
larger than the Purcellyra, which is already a capital, but smaller than their supercapitals

greater capital? Not sure what I'd call the middle of the pack like that.
the Vioceleste. Supposedly carries a MIRV nuclear weapon that's larger than the semibreve too, for whatever fucking reason. God knows the semibreve already is large enough and hits like a bus



oh
yeah
one more thing for the peanut
I found it really, really funny where people were asking scriptis why he resigned and then immediately saying "wtf why are u asking me when I'll admin up that shit's tough and unbearable have you seen the shit they have to do"
perhaps there's a connection

I wouldn't become an admin now if I knew how it was going to be
I sometimes feel bad about being a trainer because I bring people into this
join up today, make a difference

its been over a YEAR SINCE 0.95 WHERE IS THE NEXT UPDATE

SOON MY FRIEND ITS GOTTA BE COMING YOU JUST GOTTA BELIEVE.

FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET

[Omega_DarkPotato]

FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET

the Semibreve detonation literally *flings* missiles that weren't evaporated outwards from the blast, it's the funniest shit ever - they also make for great shrapnel against all targets (including yourself)
do not fire a billion missiles shortly after releasing the big one, you're going to shit yourself as you watch them all hit ~1000su/s in a shotgun-shaped blast wave towards you

[iwishforducks]

starsextor is just the new gravelposting. life truly is a circle

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I don't really understand why the seccie got banned here. What exactly did he do wrong?

Like, am I mistaken or is this a dayban plus week job ban for... critting a shithead and his metabuddies who attacked you because you didn't give back their high-power lethal weapons that you took off them while they were a dead conversion antag?

There's a lot of shitflinging back and forth over whether the griefer or the sec officer is the more obnoxious person but I genuinely have no clue why a ban was applied here, let alone a week roleban

[Farquaar]

There's a lot of shitflinging back and forth over whether the griefer or the sec officer is the more obnoxious person but I genuinely have no clue why a ban was applied here, let alone a week roleban

More than a few dramas in this community are blown out of proportion thanks to years-old comments made in metagroup Discord chats, I suspect.

[Kendrickorium]

FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET

the Semibreve detonation literally *flings* missiles that weren't evaporated outwards from the blast, it's the funniest shit ever - they also make for great shrapnel against all targets (including yourself)
do not fire a billion missiles shortly after releasing the big one, you're going to shit yourself as you watch them all hit ~1000su/s in a shotgun-shaped blast wave towards you

i prefer overpowered beam weapons

[Omega_DarkPotato]

FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET

the Semibreve detonation literally *flings* missiles that weren't evaporated outwards from the blast, it's the funniest shit ever - they also make for great shrapnel against all targets (including yourself)
do not fire a billion missiles shortly after releasing the big one, you're going to shit yourself as you watch them all hit ~1000su/s in a shotgun-shaped blast wave towards you

i prefer overpowered beam weapons

have you tried the supercharged fusion beam from Superweapons Arsenal

despite being a hard flux 1250 energy/s I'd still call it balanced since its only 800 range and a fucking insanely painful 2000 flux/s (1.6 flux/dam on an energy weapon, fucking ow)

tho if you want overpowered overpowered grab the Gluon Lance from MVS that shits silly as fuck

[Epicgamer545]

Starsector is too complex of a game. How about we talk about a more easier topic, like the theory of quantum mechanics?

[Kendrickorium]

FUCK YOU OMEGA DONT FUCKING THROW THAT BIG ASS LOUD EXPLOSION INTO OUR FORUM THREAD. ITS NOT STARSECTOR TIME NOT YET

the Semibreve detonation literally *flings* missiles that weren't evaporated outwards from the blast, it's the funniest shit ever - they also make for great shrapnel against all targets (including yourself)
do not fire a billion missiles shortly after releasing the big one, you're going to shit yourself as you watch them all hit ~1000su/s in a shotgun-shaped blast wave towards you

i prefer overpowered beam weapons

have you tried the supercharged fusion beam from Superweapons Arsenal

despite being a hard flux 1250 energy/s I'd still call it balanced since its only 800 range and a fucking insanely painful 2000 flux/s (1.6 flux/dam on an energy weapon, fucking ow)

tho if you want overpowered overpowered grab the Gluon Lance from MVS that shits silly as fuck

i enjoy both those weapons
gluon lances are op to the point where they are broken honestly, able to wear down almost anything with their insane rate of fire. deck out some high tech onslaughts with them put em on the sides of your battle line and watching nothing sneak around to the back, ever

[serxule]

man there's a lot of people in here who dont even know what happened, say their assumption, and then everyone who posts nexts believes that the truth, literally sheep herd smh (this is sarcasm if you're dense)

[CPTANT]

Holy jesus what a shit conclusion, headmins have gone bonkers.

[Ryusenshu]

All this time, reading about this ban, i was kinda wondering what a decon cultist actually can remember or what the text says
I havent been cult in ages, can someone remind me?

Cause you know
Do you forget about all cultist activities (including movement, attacks and such) or do you just forget about the magic you did (converting and setting up runes)?

edit: Also yes, i dont like this ban either

[CPTANT]

Also what happened to losing admin protection when you succumb?

[serxule]

Holy jesus what a shit conclusion, headmins have gone bonkers.

do you even know what happened or are you just complaining, or do you think you get to decide what the rules are

[CPTANT]

Holy jesus what a shit conclusion, headmins have gone bonkers.

do you even know what happened or are you just complaining, or do you think you get to decide what the rules are

You think there is stuff missing in the multiple pages of essays on what happened? And yes I am allowed to have an opinion on if rulings adhere to the actual rules like they have been for years.

[serxule]

You think there is stuff missing in the multiple pages of essays on what happened? And yes I am allowed to have an opinion on if rulings adhere to the actual rules like they have been for years.

i mean yeah you can have wrong opinions, just dont whine about it

[CPTANT]

You think there is stuff missing in the multiple pages of essays on what happened? And yes I am allowed to have an opinion on if rulings adhere to the actual rules like they have been for years.

i mean yeah you can have wrong opinions, just dont whine about it

You were killed as cultist, Reider took your gun.
You were revived
You screamed at Reider to give the gun back
Some dude stunned Reider and you try to take the gun but failed
Later you stun Reider with a batton
Reider stuns you back
You tell them to actually kill themself (Which honestly should have netted you a ban, because to me this feels like an OOC insult, not an IC one)
You take the shotgun back
Reider chases you
You try to shoot Reider
Reider retaliates and crits you
You succumb and whine to admins

Do you think this is inaccurate?

[serxule]

You were killed as cultist, Reider took your gun.
You were revived
You screamed at Reider to give the gun back
Some dude stunned Reider and you try to take the gun but failed
Later you stun Reider with a batton
Reider stuns you back
You tell them to actually kill themself (Which honestly should have netted you a ban, because to me this feels like an OOC insult, not an IC one)
You take the shotgun back
Reider chases you
You try to shoot Reider
Reider retaliates and crits you
You succumb and whine to admins

Do you think this is inaccurate?

yes because only 4 of the things you said are correct

[serxule]

seriously you have the most brainwashed sounding version of what happened, how the fuck is that even possible with how many logs got used (unless you literally just didnt even look at anything and you're a dumbass)

[CPTANT]

You were killed as cultist, Reider took your gun.
You were revived
You screamed at Reider to give the gun back
Some dude stunned Reider and you try to take the gun but failed
Later you stun Reider with a batton
Reider stuns you back
You tell them to actually kill themself (Which honestly should have netted you a ban, because to me this feels like an OOC insult, not an IC one)
You take the shotgun back
Reider chases you
You try to shoot Reider
Reider retaliates and crits you
You succumb and whine to admins

Do you think this is inaccurate?

yes because only 4 of the things you said are correct

Well what happened according to you then?

edit: ohwyeah I forgot you also sawed him in the end.

[serxule]

Well what happened according to you then?

lets see...

i got stamcrit as a cultist, cuffed, crit multiple times by reider (never died)
got taken to medical, healed
reider comes, in i tell them "give me all my shit back" (that is literally what i said, and i said all my shit because my bag was stripped clean of everything but my lantern)
they fluoride stare
random guy stuns reider (still not sure what that was about)
i try and take the shotgun (literally just using the strip menu, i didnt even touch them)
they run off, i leave
i make a stunprod to have a chance at getting my shotgun back
i go back to medical, stun reider once
they use a teargas nade
they hardstun me, then throw a spear into me
i get healed, again
reider comes back into medical and goes afk
i take the shotgun via strip menu
i leave and go back to the bar
there's a death virus (seemed like one anyways), so i go chem/pharmacy to help with the cure (no one was doing chem, atleast not quickly)
they come up out of nowhere trying to stun/attack me
i use the only item i have for self defense (my shotgun)
i miss
reider hardstuns me
reider lethals me into crit/hardcrit
i succumb (how am i supposed to know reider would heal me after doing shit like that)
reider takes the shotgun back (wowwww)
i ahelp

that is what happened, and logs literally prove all of that. oh and no, succumbing does not void admin help, for example:
if you smash windows at brig repeatedly, and get crit for it by sec, and then succumbing, you void your admin right
if someone tries to attack you, crits you, and you succumb, that does not void admin right

oh and i forgot to add, telling someone to kill themselves is not bannable because we literally have suicide as a mechanic ingame, me saying "actually kill yourself" is me saying to use the suicide verb, and not just using "kill yourself" as an insult

[CPTANT]

That's literally the same thing except you only got crit instead of dying at the start.

oh and i forgot to add, telling someone to kill themselves is not bannable because we literally have suicide as a mechanic ingame, me saying "actually kill yourself" is me saying to use the suicide verb, and not just using "kill yourself" as an insult

Suuuuuuuure. You didn't just say "kills yourself" you emphasized it with "ACTUALLY".

[serxule]

That's literally the same thing except you only got crit instead of dying at the start.

oh and i forgot to add, telling someone to kill themselves is not bannable because we literally have suicide as a mechanic ingame, me saying "actually kill yourself" is me saying to use the suicide verb, and not just using "kill yourself" as an insult

Suuuuuuuure. You didn't just say "kills yourself" you emphasized it with "ACTUALLY".

because this is what i've always done, sorry that im not offensive enough

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oh also since you seem to not be able to read (actually this is proven by how badly you got what happened wrong despite saying you read it): "kill yourself" is just an insult, "actually kill yourself" is telling someone to do an action, me saying "actually kill yourself" IC is me telling that character to suicide, instead of me saying "kill yourself" IC just being an insult

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Starsector (formerly Starfarer) is a top-down single-player indie role-playing game developed and published by Fractal Softworks for computers in 2011. Set in the year 3126, the player commands a fleet of spaceships and engages in combat, trade, and exploration in a procedurally generated world.

Reviewers praised the game on release and have continued to do so on every update, calling it a sort of "Mount & Blade: Warband in space".[1] Fractal Softworks have continued to regularly update the game with new ships, weapons, and missions.

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Starsector is an open world single-player space combat role playing and exploration game,[2] with a procedurally generated map.[3] The player is able to interact with and join one of 7 factions, remain as an independent, or become a mercenary. At the start of the game, the player is given the option to choose their headshot and spawns in the world with a small fleet of ships. After an extremely short series of tutorial missions, the player is given complete freedom to do whatever they desire.[4] Movement of your fleet in the game is controlled by your mouse, or can be set on autopilot. You can either travel freely through space or select a destination to travel to various colonies where you can purchase materials. During the game, one can hire crew members, purchase ships, and conduct trade. As of the 0.9 patch, you are able to establish your own colony and manage it yourself later in the game.[1]

Missions are offered as you fly through space or go to colonies, and will disappear soon after, as transmissions travel in real time. Completing these missions rewards you with credits which you can use to repair ships, purchase fuel, buy new ships, or hire officers. The game sports a real-time simulated economy on every colony, with an open market (subject to a tariff of 30 percent) as well as a black market, where one can purchase goods without a tariff, as well as various illegal materials such as recreational drugs, humans organs, and AI cores.[5]

All ships in the game are extremely customizable, and the player can equip different weapons, perks, and special abilities to every ship.[6]

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Combat occurs when one fleet intercepts another in space. The game interface then changes and the player is able to take control of a ship directly. The player is also able to control all other ships with basic commands such as "avoid" or "full retreat".[5] Different weapons do more damage against different types of targets (shields, hulls, etc.). The game uses standard WASD movement, with the option to strafe using your mouse. A ship generates flux when it fires or absorbs damage with their shields (if applicable), which has to be vented out into space through a process which leaves it momentarily defenseless, or face being rendered totally nonfunctional for a longer period.[5]

Victory provides the player an opportunity to loot the ships or add some to their fleet. Failure means they may attempt a full retreat. If they fail at the retreat and their fleet is destroyed, the player will not die but will escape and be given a minuscule fleet in order to start over again. Combat rewards players with experience, which they can use on their character to gain more skills.[5]

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The game itself has minimal plot, and the player is involved in very few story moments. The player is instead intended to create their own story. Lead developer Alexander Mosolov has stated that the player is intended to uncover lore as they travel throughout the world.[6]

The game takes place in the year 3126, after humanity developed faster-than-light travel using transport gates. For many years, this method of travel created a golden age for humanity. However, exactly 206 cycles ago, all transport gates abruptly ceased to function and humanity was plunged into a dark age where piracy went rampant and splintering factions began to form and exert their influence. This event is referred to as "the collapse".[7] 206 cycles after the collapse, our player enters the sector. In the sector, there are various different factions that have taken hold and reached a strategic stalemate, with no faction being able to win.[7] These factions are:

The Hegemony, a martial state that believe that they are the true successor to the galaxy. In game, the hegemony are the largest faction with the most colonies. They mostly use low-tech ships with heavy armor and inefficient shields.
The Persean League, a faction whose sole purpose is to revolt against what they believe to be the illegitimate martial law enforced by the Hegemony. They mostly use balanced "midline" ships and control many markets on various worlds.
The Tri-Tachyon are the remnants of the Tri-Tachyon corporation, one of the most powerful corporations in the sector before the collapse. They make and sell most of the technology found in game, and use high-tech ships, fast and with powerful shields.
The Sindrian Diktat, a faction founded after a revolt against the Hegemony. They are considered by the system at large to be a military dictatorship. They primarily manufacture fuel.
The Luddic Church, also known as The Church of Galactic Redemption, is a faction inspired by a martyr named Ludd. They blame technology for the downfall of humanity and seek a return to a simpler time. They use simple, low-tech ships.
The Luddic Path is an extreme sect of the Luddic church that claim to have a truer interpretation of Ludd's teachings. They believe that only through extreme violence will humanity return to a simpler age. The Luddic path is hostile to every faction except the Luddic Church and pirates.
Pirates are a loose faction of mercenaries, bandits, looters, and terrorists. Bounties are often put on pirates' heads, and collecting said bounties is one of the main ways to earn money. Pirates are hostile to every faction except the Luddic Path